Buycks converted to standard NBA contract

MotownMadness · Post #1 » by **MotownMadness** » Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:20 pm

Pistons have went ahead had and signed him to a roster spot so they can now get another 2 way deal before the 15th.

I've actually been pretty impressed with him and good for him making it back in the league.

Kilo · Post #2 » by **Kilo** » Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:33 pm

Most unaffiliated guys would probably hold out for a 10-day contract rather than signing a two-year two way deal IMO. I guess we'll see.

Drive does have KJ McDaniels on it's squad getting a closer look. Or they could just try to keep Landry Nnoko who's putting up good numbers by the eye test says he's still RAW as hell.

Is Buycks a ROS signing or next year as well? Since he was under a two year 2-way deal does he go back to G-League deal next year?

This puts us a 15 players with full contracts now. So no way of signing any post-trade deadline released players. Top ones wouldn't choose here anyways.

vege · Post #3 » by **vege** » Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:36 pm

The contract is well deserved. I'm happy for him.

thesack12 · Post #4 » by **thesack12** » Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:37 pm

vege wrote:The contract is well deserved. I'm happy for him.

Same here, He's definitely had the hard path to the NBA.

hoophabit · Post #5 » by **hoophabit** » Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:11 pm

Good for him. Since he's been getting some run he's helped the team.

Pugz · Post #6 » by **Pugz** » Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:41 pm

good for him. maybe not a long term player for this team, but im happy with his play as of now and this is well deserving.

thesack12 · Post #7 » by **thesack12** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:56 am

Regarding adding another 2 way player, Anybody know what Jared Sullinger's status with his Chinese team is?

When does their season end, can he opt out, would he even be interested in signing a 2 way contract with Detroit, etc?

DetroitSho · Post #8 » by **DetroitSho** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:48 am

thesack12 wrote:Regarding adding another 2 way player, Anybody know what Jared Sullinger's status with his Chinese team is?

When does their season end, can he opt out, would he even be interested in signing a 2 way contract with Detroit, etc?

Sullinger? No to that.

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thesack12 · Post #9 » by **thesack12** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 3:12 am

DetroitSho wrote:
thesack12 wrote:Regarding adding another 2 way player, Anybody know what Jared Sullinger's status with his Chinese team is?

When does their season end, can he opt out, would he even be interested in signing a 2 way contract with Detroit, etc?

Sullinger? No to that.

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Last I heard he was putting up like 35 PPG/16 RPG over there. Sure its the Chinese league, but he's proven he can be a solid rebounder in the NBA and is still only 25 and wouldn't be risking anything if you get him on a 2 way deal.

Who would you target for a second 2 way contract player?

thesack12 · Post #10 » by **thesack12** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 3:14 am

This was at the end of an ESPN report on trade rumors around Stanley...

Opposing execs have been impressed by guard Dwight Buycks (13 points on 52 percent shooting over the last five games). July is a long way away but several execs see Buycks as a player who will be sought after in the open market by teams that don’t have significant cap space.

coordinator0 · Post #11 » by **coordinator0** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:08 am

Read on Twitter

Deserved. Definitely worth a spot as cheap depth given his play thus far.

thesack12 · Post #12 » by **thesack12** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:21 am

coordinator0 wrote:

Read on Twitter

Deserved. Definitely worth a spot as cheap depth given his play thus far.

Read on Twitter

Looks like "multiyear contract" is a tad misleading, which is probably why Beard used the quotation marks

MotownMadness · Post #13 » by **MotownMadness** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:52 am

thesack12 wrote:
coordinator0 wrote:

Read on Twitter

Deserved. Definitely worth a spot as cheap depth given his play thus far.

Read on Twitter

Looks like "multiyear contract" is a tad misleading, which is probably why Beard used the quotation marks

Maybe SVG offered him a fast low multi year deal extension like he did with Moreland and Bullock.

thesack12 · Post #14 » by **thesack12** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:30 am

MotownMadness wrote:
Maybe SVG offered him a fast low multi year deal extension like he did with Moreland and Bullock.

Right now, I don't think Buycks would commit to any pedestrian extension offers from Detroit. If we have heard about (via ESPN) other teams' possible interest in him this summer, surely he and his agent have as well. I'm thinking he continues to bet on himself, and see what happens in the offseason.

Kilo · Post #15 » by **Kilo** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:55 am

I think Buycks would take guaranteed league minimum right now on a multi-year deal. I mean he's never made even that kind of money in his career - if he got three years guaranteed, that is life changing for his family, and would really get him a foothold in the league to get one more contract when he's 30yo where he could get good back-up pg money. Right now he'll be seen as a 3rd PG on his next contract virtually anywhere.

I don't think he'd take the condition heavy (and rather ridiculously so) Eric Moreland deal though.

I thought G-League deals were two years. So if we didn't sign him we'd have had him for another year on a G-League deal or can players be signed to nba roster deals off of G-league deals by any team in the off-season? Maybe that's why he a RFA in the off-season. I think we'd match any reasonable offer, and I don't think teams would go crazy for him.

It's interesting that Moreland was brought in with designs he'd be one of our 2-way contracts but played too well in the summer league. And now Buycks makes the team on a minimum deal. Given the money difference - Moreland/Buycks versus say free agent signings Galloway/Boban - somebody really needs to lock SVG in a room without his smartphone for the first week of free agency every year.

Kilo · Post #16 » by **Kilo** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:04 pm

Landry Nnoko has 18&18 w/2 blocks last night for the Drive. If we don't find a better "now" option that could be used in a call-up situation, he might be worth locking up through next season as a developmental.

I wouldn't mind Sullinger - but I don't think he could get out of his CBA deal right now. And I have to assume he's getting more than pro-rated 275K, which what we could max offer him. DMo is also balling in China last I heard.

Depending on the trade possibilities, I think Detroit probably looks to add another PG with their open 2-way contract. Both to get them into the Detroit system in case of Ish injury now and to help out GRDrive.

Can teams trade for 2-way players? Or do they need to be nba contracted fully first?

Kilo · Post #17 » by **Kilo** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:49 pm

“We didn’t see the real viability in a 10-day because we knew we were going to have to convert Dwight anyway and there was an incentive for us to do it now because we got some time for next year to make a decision on him,” said Van Gundy, who is also team president.

That indicates a two-year deal with a guarantee date after the team conducts free agency business.

“It gives us time to do our business and see where he fits,” Van Gundy said. "That’s our incentive to jump the gun a little. For him, it’s a little extra money to do it early. It’s a pretty good deal for both of us, but it did take our last roster spot.”

Certainly sounds like there is a second year not guaranteed, probably with a good buy out chunk by October.

Dutch Michigan · Post #18 » by **Dutch Michigan** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:06 pm

I like it. And good for him, he's been outstanding.

vege · Post #19 » by **vege** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:07 pm

Kilo wrote:I think Buycks would take guaranteed league minimum right now on a multi-year deal. I mean he's never made even that kind of money in his career - if he got three years guaranteed, that is life changing for his family, and would really get him a foothold in the league to get one more contract when he's 30yo where he could get good back-up pg money. Right now he'll be seen as a 3rd PG on his next contract virtually anywhere.

I don't think he'd take the condition heavy (and rather ridiculously so) Eric Moreland deal though.

I thought G-League deals were two years. So if we didn't sign him we'd have had him for another year on a G-League deal or can players be signed to nba roster deals off of G-league deals by any team in the off-season? Maybe that's why he a RFA in the off-season. I think we'd match any reasonable offer, and I don't think teams would go crazy for him.

It's interesting that Moreland was brought in with designs he'd be one of our 2-way contracts but played too well in the summer league. And now Buycks makes the team on a minimum deal. Given the money difference - Moreland/Buycks versus say free agent signings Galloway/Boban - somebody really needs to lock SVG in a room without his smartphone for the first week of free agency every year.

Add Bullock to the Moreland/Buycks club, he is making 2.5 mil per year for 2 years and is starting for us and being extremely solid.

thesack12 · Post #20 » by **thesack12** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 3:54 pm

Kilo wrote:I think Buycks would take guaranteed league minimum right now on a multi-year deal. I mean he's never made even that kind of money in his career - if he got three years guaranteed, that is life changing for his family, and would really get him a foothold in the league to get one more contract when he's 30yo where he could get good back-up pg money. Right now he'll be seen as a 3rd PG on his next contract virtually anywhere.

I don't think he'd take the condition heavy (and rather ridiculously so) Eric Moreland deal though.

I thought G-League deals were two years. So if we didn't sign him we'd have had him for another year on a G-League deal or can players be signed to nba roster deals off of G-league deals by any team in the off-season? Maybe that's why he a RFA in the off-season. I think we'd match any reasonable offer, and I don't think teams would go crazy for him.

It's interesting that Moreland was brought in with designs he'd be one of our 2-way contracts but played too well in the summer league. And now Buycks makes the team on a minimum deal. Given the money difference - Moreland/Buycks versus say free agent signings Galloway/Boban - somebody really needs to lock SVG in a room without his smartphone for the first week of free agency every year.

I found this site, which was helpful.

https://2ways10days.com/nba-two-way-contracts-faq-70d1c9cbbe9

Regarding 2 way contract duration:

Players can either sign for one or two years under two-way contract provisions, with the exception being players entering their third year of NBA service as they can only sign a one-year deal. At the end of contract, the NBA team will have the right to tender a qualifying offer to the player should they choose to do so.

If I'm following this correctly, Buycks could only sign a 1 year two way contract because this is his 3rd year of NBA service.

Also, I'm unsure if the restricted FA status kicks in because Buycks was converted to a standard NBA deal and the 2 way contract didn't simply end . If that's not a caveat, looks like he will be a restricted FA.

Regarding Bird rights:

Yes. Players accrue Bird rights (toward free agency) while on two-way contracts, and they are subject to restricted free agency at the end of their contracts if they were called up by the parent NBA team for at least 15 days of the previous season

Again, its unclear if the restricted FA status kicks in if the contract is converted to a standard NBA one. But if they choose to do so it does look like Detroit will be able to extend Buycks without cap space.

Tradeability:

Yes. However, they cannot be traded for 30 days after they are signed, and trades of two-way players do not generate trade exceptions for the parent team.

Since Buycks is now on a standard contract, not sure if the 30 day stipulation holds true or not.

Playoff eligibility:

No, a two-way player cannot appear on the NBA team’s playoff roster or play in a playoff game, but he can be on the inactive list during playoffs to travel and practice with the team.