Potential sleepers

[doordoor123]

Kevin Huerter has a chance of entering the draft. I really like him. Has great footwork. He’s being underrated for two reasons: his jumpshot (which is unorthodox, but he’s making his shots) and because he’s white (white players tend to stay in college longer). He can be an average NBA defender.

he is underrated cause he isn't long or particular great athlete, he is solid and fluid, nor has he like awesome handles, again he is okay, he is a special shot-maker and has vision but he still needs to mature physically

He’s an average athlete and he’s not long, but moves really well. He doesn’t have the handles, but he can handle the ball some, he gets a lot of separation off of step-backs and in general some really advanced moves. I think his fluidity is going to help him a lot at the next level. He also has great pace to his game. Probably not a starter at the next level, but I like his back up potential. I also wouldn’t be surprised if he has a great vertical despite his look if he went to the combine.

[No-Man]

Kevin Huerter sort of compares okay to Klay Thompson...

[doordoor123]

Kevin Huerter sort of compares okay to Klay Thompson...

Actually I kind of see that. Like a Klay Thompson that might need to change his shot form in the NBA, which makes a difference because Klay has always been an advanced shooter. I just hate comparing white guys.

[Koreandoo]

How about Moritz Wagner? ( Tonight 27 Points vs Michigan State)

Including this game he is shooting 55% Fg, 40% 3p (3.5 3pa) 71% ft, (14,1 ppg, 7 rpg in 26 mpg)
and how many bigs are capable to do something like this:

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Do you think he could be interessting for some late picking Teams?

[doordoor123]

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[doordoor123]

How about Moritz Wagner? ( Tonight 27 Points vs Michigan State)

Including this game he is shooting 55% Fg, 40% 3p (3.5 3pa) 71% ft, (14,1 ppg, 7 rpg in 26 mpg)
and how many bigs are capable to do something like this:

Watch on YouTube

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Do you think he could be interessting for some late picking Teams?

If he could do that more often it would be something. Still, it didn’t look like he had much control doing that. Could have easily flew into the stands. He has good fluidity.

[doordoor123]

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[doordoor123]

A lot of players starting to play better including Rui Hachimura, Aaron Holiday and Alize Johnson. I think this draft will be as deep as last year.

[No-Man]

Not everybody will declare though
As for Mo, he is gonna be a good offensive big, the issue is that he is mostly a tweener and he can't do much on defense, solid role player regardless though

[PLO]

A lot of players starting to play better including Rui Hachimura, Aaron Holiday and Alize Johnson. I think this draft will be as deep as last year.

To echo Fis above, Alize Johnson is one who could use at least another year in college - he's pretty unpolished. Rui Hachimura hasn't been that impressive of what I've seen either.

[doordoor123]

Not everybody will declare though
As for Mo, he is gonna be a good offensive big, the issue is that he is mostly a tweener and he can't do much on defense, solid role player regardless though

I think enough players will declare. There are some good seniors this year that will make up for players not declaring. And there are way too many good looking players between freshmen and junior, it’ll be hard to think that a bunch won’t try to get into the NBA.

[doordoor123]

A lot of players starting to play better including Rui Hachimura, Aaron Holiday and Alize Johnson. I think this draft will be as deep as last year.

To echo Fis above, Alize Johnson is one who could use at least another year in college - he's pretty unpolished. Rui Hachimura hasn't been that impressive of what I've seen either.

This draft is pretty weak at PF imo. I would think if a PF is even considered for the first round they should enter. I think if Alize polishes up next year he could be a lottery pick, or at least top 20. He can be really good. But yeah, he needs some work and needs to be consistent. He can handle the ball, pass, moves really well, shoot off the dribble, make threes, rebound and he has mad hops. He probably needs to gain muscle, work on his footwork, defense and timing. Beyond lottery talents he’s probably one of my favorite prospects. I think he has a ton of potential if he puts the work in.

[PLO]

A lot of players starting to play better including Rui Hachimura, Aaron Holiday and Alize Johnson. I think this draft will be as deep as last year.

To echo Fis above, Alize Johnson is one who could use at least another year in college - he's pretty unpolished. Rui Hachimura hasn't been that impressive of what I've seen either.

This draft is pretty weak at PF imo. I would think if a PF is even considered for the first round they should enter. I think if Alize polishes up next year he could be a lottery pick, or at least top 20. He can be really good. But yeah, he needs some work and needs to be consistent. He can handle the ball, pass, moves really well, shoot off the dribble, make threes, rebound and he has mad hops. He probably needs to gain muscle, work on his footwork, defense and timing. Beyond lottery talents he’s probably one of my favorite prospects. I think he has a ton of potential if he puts the work in.

One thing he has going for him is he looks to have excellent functional strength, very one sided now though.

[doordoor123]

To echo Fis above, Alize Johnson is one who could use at least another year in college - he's pretty unpolished. Rui Hachimura hasn't been that impressive of what I've seen either.

This draft is pretty weak at PF imo. I would think if a PF is even considered for the first round they should enter. I think if Alize polishes up next year he could be a lottery pick, or at least top 20. He can be really good. But yeah, he needs some work and needs to be consistent. He can handle the ball, pass, moves really well, shoot off the dribble, make threes, rebound and he has mad hops. He probably needs to gain muscle, work on his footwork, defense and timing. Beyond lottery talents he’s probably one of my favorite prospects. I think he has a ton of potential if he puts the work in.

One thing he has going for him is he looks to have excellent functional strength, very one sided now though.

He has a great motor and he’s tough. I think he still needs to get stronger.

[doordoor123]

DAYUM Metu showing up tonight. Games like this makes me this he’s going to be a first round pick, then he has other games that make feel like he isn’t worth drafting.

[Ruzious]

A lot of players starting to play better including Rui Hachimura, Aaron Holiday and Alize Johnson. I think this draft will be as deep as last year.

Not sure I'd consider those as first round type players. I like Rui better than Tillie at Gonzaga, but I think of both of them as 2nd round types. Same with Holiday. Alize is interesting, but he's gotta be in a low usage situation where his team can hide his weaknesses. His lack of blocks and steals sticks out more than any lack of strength, imo.

[doordoor123]

A lot of players starting to play better including Rui Hachimura, Aaron Holiday and Alize Johnson. I think this draft will be as deep as last year.

Not sure I'd consider those as first round type players. I like Rui better than Tillie at Gonzaga, but I think of both of them as 2nd round types. Same with Holiday. Alize is interesting, but he's gotta be in a low usage situation where his team can hide his weaknesses. His lack of blocks and steals sticks out more than any lack of strength, imo.

Tillie is one of the best defenders in college because he’s long can defend inside/out. He’s super smart, a solid passer with a super soft touch around the basket and he has a nice shot. If he’s a second rounder I think you’re saying that because he’s white and European. IMO he’s a starter right away. Hard to see him failing.

Rui I like has a potential pick, but he still needs a ton of work. He’s more likely a second round pick, but I could see a team falling in love with him.

Holiday is for sure not a first round pick, but possible mid to Late 2nd.

[Ruzious]

A lot of players starting to play better including Rui Hachimura, Aaron Holiday and Alize Johnson. I think this draft will be as deep as last year.

Not sure I'd consider those as first round type players. I like Rui better than Tillie at Gonzaga, but I think of both of them as 2nd round types. Same with Holiday. Alize is interesting, but he's gotta be in a low usage situation where his team can hide his weaknesses. His lack of blocks and steals sticks out more than any lack of strength, imo.

Tillie is one of the best defenders in college because he’s long can defend inside/out. He’s super smart, a solid passer with a super soft touch around the basket and he has a nice shot. If he’s a second rounder I think you’re saying that because he’s white and European. IMO he’s a starter right away. Hard to see him failing.

Rui I like has a potential pick, but he still needs a ton of work. He’s more likely a second round pick, but I could see a team falling in love with him.

Holiday is for sure not a first round pick, but possible mid to Late 2nd.

First let me get this out of the way, so we can move on and talk hoops. When you say things like the bolded part, I take it the same thing as you calling me a racist, so don't ever do that again. And since we're talking Zags, I was one of the folks pushing for both Collins (white) and Sabonis (white and Euro), so... enough with that.

I'm not as high on Tillie as others are, because I've seen him get pushed around a lot on the college level, and I didn't see a lot of skill in his offensive game. When comparing him to Collins last season, I thought Collins was the far better prospect. But I could be wrong - I've only seen one Gonzaga game this season.

[doordoor123]

Not sure I'd consider those as first round type players. I like Rui better than Tillie at Gonzaga, but I think of both of them as 2nd round types. Same with Holiday. Alize is interesting, but he's gotta be in a low usage situation where his team can hide his weaknesses. His lack of blocks and steals sticks out more than any lack of strength, imo.

Tillie is one of the best defenders in college because he’s long can defend inside/out. He’s super smart, a solid passer with a super soft touch around the basket and he has a nice shot. If he’s a second rounder I think you’re saying that because he’s white and European. IMO he’s a starter right away. Hard to see him failing.

Rui I like has a potential pick, but he still needs a ton of work. He’s more likely a second round pick, but I could see a team falling in love with him.

Holiday is for sure not a first round pick, but possible mid to Late 2nd.

First let me get this out of the way, so we can move on and talk hoops. When you say things like the bolded part, I take it the same thing as you calling me a racist, so don't ever do that again. And since we're talking Zags, I was one of the folks pushing for both Collins (white) and Sabonis (white and Euro), so... enough with that.

I'm not as high on Tillie as others are, because I've seen him get pushed around a lot on the college level, and I didn't see a lot of skill in his offensive game. When comparing him to Collins last season, I thought Collins was the far better prospect. But I could be wrong - I've only seen one Gonzaga game this season.

What? Lol. Obviously wasn’t being serious with that remark. But saying how I can see someone making that connection and using you as an example.
Collins as in John Collins? I wouldn’t dispute John Collins was a better player because he’s super fluid and athletic. They are very different players. I see Tillie as an Ersan Ilyasova-type player. Long enough to kind of defend 3s, but mostly a 4 that can stretch and get inside baskets. But Tillie has such soft hands and has some pretty advanced post moves. He’s a player that lets the game come to him, he’s not a guy that is going to go out of his way to get buckets. Tillie has some real tools and a great physical profile.

[Ruzious]

Comedy might not be your best quality. Chalk it up to a misunderstanding and move on. You made a good case for Tillie. I'll have to watch more of him.