Bucks Trade Ideas Thread 2018

[coolhandluke121]

But Indiana blows in our ear before hanging up the phone.

My favorite way to kill my chances at a second date.

[Chapter29]

Until we get rid of Kidd I think its pointless to make any moves.

We all agree with this. That said I can't spend the next three years of my life without talking Bucks trades.

I don't know. I mean, sure we may not see the benefits of a trade entirely with boy blunder at the helm but if we get a talent upgrade, its a talent upgrade.

We simply need another all-star level player. Contender type who plays on both ends. No, we wont wait if said player can be had. Giannis year 2 is fast approaching.

[Gam]

Ok don't kill me.

Middleton and Delly for Tristian Thompson, Jae Crowder and the Nets pick. Even though the Nets pick won't likely be top 4 it should be lottery at least and if our pick does stay here we can possibly package a deal to move up. Absorbing TT should be worth Crowder and Middleton is worth the Nets pick, Delly matches salaries and goes back to play with LeBron

Yeah I 500% do that deal.

[blazza18]

Cavs aren't trading the Nets pick for Middleton. Get real guys.

[Jez2983]

Just waiting for the trade deadline, just wondering what the Bucks are offering these days.

Bucks: Favors, Frye, Dedmon and Bellinelli
Cavs: Delly
Hawks: Snell/Telly, Wilson and Osman
Jazz: Henson and Maker

Bucks: Get some playoff depth and can extend Favors and Parker in off-season
Cavs: DELLY!
Hawks: Get a good role player and 2 projects to go with young team
Jazz: Cheaper option than favors that is locked up for a few years and a young stud of a 1st rounder in Maker

This is perfect. Get rid of all our crap and get good players back.

However I don't think it happens.

[msiris]

I just have a feeling that Middleton is Kidds favorite player. Just a hunch. I agree with you. but I do not trust the Bucks to do the right thing with Kidd being friends with the owners.

No doubt. Khris basically saved his sorry ass coaching career several years ago. Kidd was a joke as Brooklyn's coach and was well on his way to being a trivia question (as a coach, like Sid as a broadcaster). Then people gave him a lot of credit for what Dudley, Zaza, Ersan, Mayo, Knight, Giannis, and especially Khris accomplished in 2015 after Jabari got hurt and Sanders fell apart and most people assumed the Bucks would lose close to 60 games.

It was just one of those weird combinations where the whole was much greater than the sum of the parts. Mayo of all people was a leader, Knight was 50 points above his career 3% on high volume, Zaza had his best year since 2007, Dudley bounced back after being a salary dump the year before, Ersan bounced back, Henson was a decent backup big in a contract year, and everyone's skills complemented everyone else's really well. But most of all, Khris emerged as a likely future two-way star.

Have you guys ever noticed that the coach always get way too much credit when that happens? It's like people don't understand that the whole can be greater than the sum of the parts and a team can "over-achieve" with no help from the coach, so they just assume there must have been something special the coach did to make it happen. Look at COTY votes in any sport and you'll always see the coach/manager of a team doing better much than expected get a ton of votes even if you can't point to a single thing he did right and the rest of his track record is awful.

Kidd is awful and he and Khris are loyal to each other and Lasry is loyal to Kidd and the whole thing makes me sick. I'd like to see if a decent coach could rein Khris in. It's also possible that Giannis will keep maturing into a leader and realize what needs to be done and, for lack of a more appropriate way to word my point, tear his god-damned head off.

I can see all of this getting in Giannis way. He hardly gets used closing games out. Does Kidd know how good he is? Does Middleton and some of the others know this? The way this team struggles blows my mind. Are we not more talented than the likes of Miami, Indy and Detroit? How many more moves do we make before we find out that a better coach was the solution all along. Just so many clueless people in the organization and it starts at the top.

[IrishRainbow]

Just putting this here as a reminder on how difficult it’ll be to include a 1st rounder in any trades for likely a while.

http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/21750469/nba-trade-deadline-guide-all-30-teams

The trade for Eric Bledsoe has Milwaukee restricted on trading a future first-round pick. Because the protection to Phoenix extends to 2021, Milwaukee would not be allowed to trade a first until 2023 or two years after the pick to the Suns is conveyed.

I don't have insider, so I can't read the article, but I dont think this is entirely true.

The pick to the suns has a giant number of protections each year, why couldn't we trade the protected part elsewhere? They would have to get creative, but I don't think it's not allowed.

Because of the stipulation that you can't trade your pwn 1st rd picks consecutive years. Until that pick is conveyed to PHX, you'd, at the minimum, have to wait until 2 yrs after the last possible draft year that it 'could' be conveyed to be able to trade a 1st.

I'm sure someone has better specifics than what I said out...but all the protections really hinder any possibility of trading another near future 1st.

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[LuessiT]

Mids, Delly for TT, Shumpert, BKN 1st., 2021 Cavs 1st. lottery protected

Why would the Cavs do this?

Cause TT is on a negative contract, Shumpert is on a negative contract and the BKN pick is borderline lottery. Probably the Bucks wouldn't do it.

[coolhandluke121]

It really sucks how things turned out when you step back and take stock.

Khris should be much better than this. It's a testament to his raw talent that he can still put up such numbers, but he's not helping much. There's a guy who could have complemented Giannis perfectly, or could have been traded for a top 3 pick. Boston offered the #3 pick in 2016, for example.

Jabari was never quite the fit that Khris could have been and rarely seemed capable of becoming a good team defender, but he still could have been pretty valuable. I felt they didn't need him that badly with Khris around, but he was a decent fall-back option. It's not like he's a horrible fit, and one could still imagine a pretty decent team built around him and Giannis if they decided to trade Khris.

Now neither one seems likely to be much better than an average starter on a break-even contract at best with a lot of injury risk. I mean, Boston offered the #3 pick for either one of them in 2016... you think they'd offer Jaylen Brown for one of them now? Of course not. And that 2016 offer probably involved a Crowder or Amir or at least some expiring contracts.

Then you have extending Henson and signing Dellavedova, Mirza, and Miles in the span of one year, along with wasting or devaluing FIVE valuable first-round picks and multiple second-rounders in just a few years (Vaughn, Wilson, Thon, Vazquez, MCW) which rivals the kind of self-sabotage that often took Kohl a full decade.

It's abysmal. Frankly it makes Kohl and the cronies look like amateurs. Throw in Lasry's relationship with Kidd and you're talking Dolan-level wretchedness. Sigh.

[Rainwater]

Mids, Delly for TT, Shumpert, BKN 1st., 2021 Cavs 1st. lottery protected

Why would the Cavs do this?

Cause TT is on a negative contract, Shumpert is on a negative contract and the BKN pick is borderline lottery. Probably the Bucks wouldn't do it.

Midds is not worth a lottery pick and another first. The Cavs don't even want to give up that lottery pick for D. Jordan, and they badly need a center, what makes you think they will do it for Midds??? With a need at center, you have the Cavs giving up their only real one in TT for no center returning to replace him leaving them with only Love who is really a PF. Delly is also on a long contract and I believe the Cavs already have 3 pgs, Delly would make it 4.

[Tfence92]

Just putting this here as a reminder on how difficult it’ll be to include a 1st rounder in any trades for likely a while.

http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/21750469/nba-trade-deadline-guide-all-30-teams

The trade for Eric Bledsoe has Milwaukee restricted on trading a future first-round pick. Because the protection to Phoenix extends to 2021, Milwaukee would not be allowed to trade a first until 2023 or two years after the pick to the Suns is conveyed.

I don't have insider, so I can't read the article, but I dont think this is entirely true.

The pick to the suns has a giant number of protections each year, why couldn't we trade the protected part elsewhere? They would have to get creative, but I don't think it's not allowed.

Because of the stipulation that you can't trade your pwn 1st rd picks consecutive years. Until that pick is conveyed to PHX, you'd, at the minimum, have to wait until 2 yrs after the last possible draft year that it 'could' be conveyed to be able to trade a 1st.

I'm sure someone has better specifics than what I said out...but all the protections really hinder any possibility of trading another near future 1st.

I know how the Stepien rule works, but I'm saying I think they could word it so they trade the other protected part to a different team.

Like right now it's protected 17-30 in some years, they could trade that protection to someone else. Or at the very least offer a swap.

[Wisky4life]

TT can only go to Lakers or Clippers. The drama that follows. Maybe Blake will go to the Cavs.

[IrishRainbow]

I don't have insider, so I can't read the article, but I dont think this is entirely true.

The pick to the suns has a giant number of protections each year, why couldn't we trade the protected part elsewhere? They would have to get creative, but I don't think it's not allowed.

Because of the stipulation that you can't trade your pwn 1st rd picks consecutive years. Until that pick is conveyed to PHX, you'd, at the minimum, have to wait until 2 yrs after the last possible draft year that it 'could' be conveyed to be able to trade a 1st.

I'm sure someone has better specifics than what I said out...but all the protections really hinder any possibility of trading another near future 1st.

I know how the Stepien rule works, but I'm saying I think they could word it so they trade the other protected part to a different team.

Like right now it's protected 17-30 in some years, they could trade that protection to someone else. Or at the very least offer a swap.

You can't. You can't have the possibility of one half of the 'protection' conveyed in year (x) and the other half of the 'protection' conveyed in year (x+1). I'm not going to pretend to know the in and outs of the rule, but that seems like a fairly easy hurdle to define and one that can't be rectified until the PHX pick is conveyed.

I'm not sure though, for instance, we make a trade with PHX of some sort, that we couldn't augment said previous protection(s) to define the pick as unprotected in '18 and thus making '20 FRP an available chip before the PHX pick is actually conveyed.

Again, I could be completely off.

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[Chuck Diesel]

Bucks: Bam Adebayo, Wes Matthews, Wayne Ellington, Okaro White, AJ Hammons. Waive one of White, Hammons or Rashad Vaughn.
Heat: Khris Middleton, Yogi Ferrell, Nerlens Noel
Mavericks: Their choice of Delly or Snelly, Justice Winslow, Thon Maker, DJ Wilson.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y6vpca2h

Bledsoe/Brogdon
Matthews/Ellington
Jabari/Snell/Brown
Giannis/Jabari
Henson/Bam

[LuessiT]

Why would the Cavs do this?

Cause TT is on a negative contract, Shumpert is on a negative contract and the BKN pick is borderline lottery. Probably the Bucks wouldn't do it.

Midds is not worth a lottery pick and another first. The Cavs don't even want to give up that lottery pick for D. Jordan, and they badly need a center, what makes you think they will do it for Midds??? With a need at center, you have the Cavs giving up their only real one in TT for no center returning to replace him leaving them with only Love who is really a PF. Delly is also on a long contract and I believe the Cavs already have 3 pgs, Delly would make it 4.

Love is really a C and LeBron is really a PF on that Cavs roster. Middleton has higher value than Jordan so it doesn't bother me that they don't want to give up the pick for him and Mids could easily return those picks much more if you attach taking on TT.

[Wisky4life]

How about for closing out the season and kicking off 2018 right, The Bucks should do this.

Sign Ramon Sessions and Andrew Bogut

Bucks: Dudley, Pachulia, and Illyasova
Suns: Delly and Telly
Hawks: Maker and Len
Warriors: Wilson

The champions have returned and the squad is reunited under the Greek God.

[Rainwater]

Cause TT is on a negative contract, Shumpert is on a negative contract and the BKN pick is borderline lottery. Probably the Bucks wouldn't do it.

Midds is not worth a lottery pick and another first. The Cavs don't even want to give up that lottery pick for D. Jordan, and they badly need a center, what makes you think they will do it for Midds??? With a need at center, you have the Cavs giving up their only real one in TT for no center returning to replace him leaving them with only Love who is really a PF. Delly is also on a long contract and I believe the Cavs already have 3 pgs, Delly would make it 4.

Love is really a C and LeBron is really a PF on that Cavs roster. Middleton has higher value than Jordan so it doesn't bother me that they don't want to give up the pick for him and Mids could easily return those picks much more if you attach taking on TT.

The Cavs are in need of a center. Even if you think that Love is a reliable center, which I don't think is the case, they need more than one. This is an opinion but I think Jordan has the higher value. A double, double machine who clogs the middle, former all-star and all NBA I would think is worth more than Midds. Hell, you have people here who want to give Midds and Delly for Jordan. Again, reports out of Cleveland is that Cleveland holds that pick in high regard. And I really don't think Midds is worth that lottery pick and second first especially with LeBron situation up in the air.

[LuessiT]

Midds is not worth a lottery pick and another first. The Cavs don't even want to give up that lottery pick for D. Jordan, and they badly need a center, what makes you think they will do it for Midds??? With a need at center, you have the Cavs giving up their only real one in TT for no center returning to replace him leaving them with only Love who is really a PF. Delly is also on a long contract and I believe the Cavs already have 3 pgs, Delly would make it 4.

Love is really a C and LeBron is really a PF on that Cavs roster. Middleton has higher value than Jordan so it doesn't bother me that they don't want to give up the pick for him and Mids could easily return those picks much more if you attach taking on TT.

The Cavs are in need of a center. Even if you think that Love is a reliable center, which I don't think is the case, they need more than one. This is an opinion but I think Jordan has the higher value. A double, double machine who clogs the middle, former all-star and all NBA I would think is worth more than Midds. Hell, you have people here who want to give Midds and Delly for Jordan. Again, reports out of Cleveland is that Cleveland holds that pick in high regard. And I really don't think Midds is worth that lottery pick and second first especially with LeBron situation up in the air.

That doesn't really help your case either as Delly is considered a neutral contract at best. I mean I don't even like TT and it may or may not have been a good trade for both sides, but I'm adamant on the value being pretty fair. While I definately do want us to trade Mids, he get's undervalued quite a lot (or draft picks get overvalued quite a lot).

[Nowak008]

Ok don't kill me.

Middleton and Delly for Tristian Thompson, Jae Crowder and the Nets pick. Even though the Nets pick won't likely be top 4 it should be lottery at least and if our pick does stay here we can possibly package a deal to move up. Absorbing TT should be worth Crowder and Middleton is worth the Nets pick, Delly matches salaries and goes back to play with LeBron

I'd personally hand the EOY to Horst if he got that deal done.

[ReginaldDwight]

Ok don't kill me.

Middleton and Delly for Tristian Thompson, Jae Crowder and the Nets pick. Even though the Nets pick won't likely be top 4 it should be lottery at least and if our pick does stay here we can possibly package a deal to move up. Absorbing TT should be worth Crowder and Middleton is worth the Nets pick, Delly matches salaries and goes back to play with LeBron

I'd personally hand the EOY to Horst if he got that deal done.

a top 6 pick this year nets you a potential star player IMO