GT #43: Nets @ Wizards 7 PM (NBCSW/1500 AM)

[NatP4]

Disagree, if Wall cuts the turnovers in half (4ish), takes about 10 less idiotic shots, and gives 50% effort on defense in that game, maybe cut out the technical foul, then it’s a 20 point blowout that ends in regulation.

Much of what you say is true...BUT if Wallstar doesn't step up and make those free throws near the end of regulation and those shots in OT we would probably be talking about a loss for the Zards. As FAH points out, sometimes it's not how you get points it's when you get them.

Wall was clutch tonight...as well as last night against Orlando.

I just never get into the clutch/not clutch thing. Wall was great last night in Orlando and bad tonight. The substance of the game matters far more than a couple plays at the end of a game.

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

Look at the difference in shot selection in the 4th quarter. Brooklyn is on the left, Washington on the right.



Brooklyn has a perfect shot chart. Literally nothing but 3's and layups. The Wizards? Not so good.

That’s so clear. And really disturbing. Someone should make a large poster of it and hold it up from a seat close behind the Wiz bench next game.

[80sballboy]

Shocking that the Wiz blew a 23-point lead in the first half and they were no-shows in the third quarter. The bench wasn't very good in the second quarter but played better in the late third and early fourth. Wall had a strange floor game with 16 assists and 8 turnovers. Not a great game by any means but he has to create for this team. Maybe not for Brad anymore but for Otto. Great how Mahinmi goes from 17 pts to 1 but at least rebounded. He had to considering Kieff's 3 rebounds.

All about Monday. That's a huge freakin' game. Beal mentioned it as a playoff game and I kind of agree. Beating Brooklyn in OT and Orlando by six in back-to-back nights means nothing if you can't beat Milwaukee at home.

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Good thing I missed this game.


This from the Yahoo Sports app game coverage:


"ALMOST AMAZING

Brooklyn trailed 59-39 at halftime before closing within three in the third and tying it on a 16-5 run to end the fourth.

During that last stretch, Allen Crabbe hit two 3-pointers and fed Caris LeVert for a dunk that closed it to 105-104 with 1:45 remaining. The Nets missed their next three shots and turned it over twice, yet still tied it at 107-all on Quincy Acy's 3-pointer from the top of the arc with 9.1 seconds left."


https://sports.yahoo.com/news/wall-pushes-wizards-over-line-119-113-ot-030716265--nba.html
Wall pushes Wizards over the line in 119-113 OT win vs Nets


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[CobraCommander]

Disagree, if Wall cuts the turnovers in half (4ish), takes about 10 less idiotic shots, and gives 50% effort on defense in that game, maybe cut out the technical foul, then it’s a 20 point blowout that ends in regulation.

Much of what you say is true...BUT if Wallstar doesn't step up and make those free throws near the end of regulation and those shots in OT we would probably be talking about a loss for the Zards. As FAH points out, sometimes it's not how you get points it's when you get them.

Wall was clutch tonight...as well as last night against Orlando.

I just never get into the clutch/not clutch thing. Wall was great last night in Orlando and bad tonight. The substance of the game matters far more than a couple plays at the end of a game.

So who exactly has great games nightly? Also no Wall there tonight or last night...they take two Ls. Its not like someone else stepped up and made those plays to win the game. Also...every night, Lebron (the best in the game) has turn over and misses shots too. You gotta take the good with the bad because ...its sports played by humans... the good is the last 10 games from a winning perspective. The bad is how they do it...but either way. If you want better than this...stop watching the wiz. I suspect this is the way its going to be on going till we either get a new coach or ADD some talent to replace Morris or Gortat...the 3 max players are going to be the core..cause they are good enough...

[JWizmentality]

I'm kinda confident they'll blow this somehow. Will check in the morning.

Was almost right. #sowizards

[dckingsfan]

Much of what you say is true...BUT if Wallstar doesn't step up and make those free throws near the end of regulation and those shots in OT we would probably be talking about a loss for the Zards. As FAH points out, sometimes it's not how you get points it's when you get them.

Wall was clutch tonight...as well as last night against Orlando.

I just never get into the clutch/not clutch thing. Wall was great last night in Orlando and bad tonight. The substance of the game matters far more than a couple plays at the end of a game.

So who exactly has great games nightly? Also no Wall there tonight or last night...they take two Ls. Its not like someone else stepped up and made those plays to win the game. Also...every night, Lebron (the best in the game) has turn over and misses shots too. You gotta take the good with the bad because ...its sports played by humans... the good is the last 10 games from a winning perspective. The bad is how they do it...but either way. If you want better than this...stop watching the wiz. I suspect this is the way its going to be on going till we either get a new coach or ADD some talent to replace Morris or Gortat...the 3 max players are going to be the core..cause they are good enough...

You make good points. But to me it was the "I don't care enough to get back on D" attitude that trickles down.

[nate33]

Yup. But sometimes in basketball its not how you get the points and assists its when you get them.

John made two shots to end the game.

That’s right.. CCJ needs to post that positivity thread ASAP!

Disagree, if Wall cuts the turnovers in half (4ish), takes about 10 less idiotic shots, and gives 50% effort on defense in that game, maybe cut out the technical foul, then it’s a 20 point blowout that ends in regulation.

I know it doesn't seem credible coming from NatP4 because he is so consistently critical of Wall, but he is right here. If a player plays horrible for 3.5 quarters and then finishes strong, you can't assume his "clutchness" outweighs the damage he did earlier.

Points are points and bad possessions are bad possessions. It doesn't really matter when they happen. Wall made risky passes at times when there was no court balance, and he took way too many long 2's. These are mental errors, not physical ones. One can easily forgive an off shooting night, but not when the off shooting is due to taking so many low percentage shots.

I will say that the 8 turnovers weren't all his fault. One or two of those passes made it to Gortat's hands and Gortat couldn't hang on. I'm not really blaming Gortat either, those passes were coming in hot so they were very difficult to handle, but they did get to him.

Overall, it was not a very good game from Wall. These things happen. Wall had cut down his long 2's for the most part since his return from injury, but he regressed this game. Let's hope he gets back on track.

[Shanghai Kid]

You know, the Wizards are only a game and a half back of the 3rd seed.

All things considered, getting the 3rd seed would pretty much put the season back in allignment with what expectations were.

Also, what makes it so critical is that there is a scenario in which the Wizards may end up with a horrible 4/5 matchup with Cleveland in the first round.

[dckingsfan]

You know, the Wizards are only a game and a half back of the 3rd seed.

All things considered, getting the 3rd seed would pretty much put the season back in allignment with what expectations were.

Also, what makes it so critical is that there is a scenario in which the Wizards may end up with a horrible 4/5 matchup with Cleveland in the first round.

I think either Miami or Cleveland would be bad first round matchups for us, no?

[CobraCommander]

I just never get into the clutch/not clutch thing. Wall was great last night in Orlando and bad tonight. The substance of the game matters far more than a couple plays at the end of a game.

So who exactly has great games nightly? Also no Wall there tonight or last night...they take two Ls. Its not like someone else stepped up and made those plays to win the game. Also...every night, Lebron (the best in the game) has turn over and misses shots too. You gotta take the good with the bad because ...its sports played by humans... the good is the last 10 games from a winning perspective. The bad is how they do it...but either way. If you want better than this...stop watching the wiz. I suspect this is the way its going to be on going till we either get a new coach or ADD some talent to replace Morris or Gortat...the 3 max players are going to be the core..cause they are good enough...

You make good points. But to me it was the "I don't care enough to get back on D" attitude that trickles down.

Yep me too....i hate it...i hate the mean mug...i hate the whinnying about not getting calls...i hate the hero ball...notice they dont do that crap in SA? Wall needs better coaching...

[CobraCommander]

That’s right.. CCJ needs to post that positivity thread ASAP!

Disagree, if Wall cuts the turnovers in half (4ish), takes about 10 less idiotic shots, and gives 50% effort on defense in that game, maybe cut out the technical foul, then it’s a 20 point blowout that ends in regulation.

I know it doesn't seem credible coming from NatP4 because he is so consistently critical of Wall, but he is right here. If a player plays horrible for 3.5 quarters and then finishes strong, you can't assume his "clutchness" outweighs the damage he did earlier.

Points are points and bad possessions are bad possessions. It doesn't really matter when they happen. Wall made risky passes at times when there was no court balance, and he took way too many long 2's. These are mental errors, not physical ones. One can easily forgive an off shooting night, but not when the off shooting is due to taking so many low percentage shots.

I will say that the 8 turnovers weren't all his fault. One or two of those passes made it to Gortat's hands and Gortat couldn't hang on. I'm not really blaming Gortat either, those passes were coming in hot so they were very difficult to handle, but they did get to him.

Overall, it was not a very good game from Wall. These things happen. Wall had cut down his long 2's for the most part since his return from injury, but he regressed this game. Let's hope he gets back on track.

Couldn’t agree more!

[FAH1223]

You know, the Wizards are only a game and a half back of the 3rd seed.

All things considered, getting the 3rd seed would pretty much put the season back in allignment with what expectations were.

Also, what makes it so critical is that there is a scenario in which the Wizards may end up with a horrible 4/5 matchup with Cleveland in the first round.

I think either Miami or Cleveland would be bad first round matchups for us, no?

Spoelstra out coaches Brooks regularly

And LeBron would average 40 on the Wiz