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2018 Pick Watch (Philly, LAL 1 or 6-30, etc)

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Re: 2018 Pick Watch (Philly, LAL 1 or 6-30, etc) 

Post#621 » by SpoSucks » Sun Jan 14, 2018 2:25 am

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CoreyGallagher wrote:...Because he stepped in and put people into positions that forced our GM to resign as a result of it. So, yeah, we're bitter. Lol.

Also, nobody here actually expects Silver to do anything about it, assuming was implied sarcastically.


OK, that clarifies that part. Still, you operate within a system you're not in charge off. You have to live with the results of your actions. That's life. Now buck up. And rather than be upset it happened, you should be happy. Very unlikely any other team now does the same. Since you all worship the ground Sam Hinkie walks on, nobody will be able to duplicate "The Process". It was the greatest play ever, right?


I'm not sure what you are getting at: other teams tank so to say its "very unlikely any other team now does the same" isn't true. No one has said its the "greatest play ever" but Hinkie tried to maximise outcomes for the 76ers within a system he wasn't in charge of, as you say. Some of the individual deals he was able to work out en route to where we are now were pretty incredible though and maybe that is one thing Silver found so galling - Hinkie made a lot of the league look pretty stupid. That and the fact the tank was blatant, but the Lakers, for example, were trotting out Kobe every night through this period so it wasn't as if their tank was any less blatant.


What I'm saying is that being bitter about Hinkie being essentially forced out is illogical. The firing was as much a part of The Process as drafting Joel Embiid or Ben Simmons. Hinkie used a strategy of accumulating multiple picks that was unconventional but highly successful. He did it in a way that brought a lot of criticism. (I'm not making a criticism here just laying out the general framework). But as I said earlier, The Process existed within the larger system know as the NBA. Hinkie used the rules to his advantage as best he could. Nothing wrong with that. The problem is that he didn't control all the rules (or perhaps think enough about the implications of his strategy). And that's where the NBA stepped in (I'm assuming they all didn't break any rules/laws. I never heard they did.) Essentially the termination of Hinkie as GM was the final (and perhaps logical) step of The Process. What you and CoryGallagher are doing is saying" I liked the part where our GM took advantage of the rules but I don't like the part where the rules worked against our GM." There is absolutely nothing wrong with what the league did just as there wasn't with what Hinkie did.
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Re: 2018 Pick Watch (Philly, LAL 1 or 6-30, etc) 

Post#622 » by the_process » Sun Jan 14, 2018 2:27 am

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This is priceless. Now that you guys are done tanking, you want the commissioner to step in and stop other teams from doing it.

...Because he stepped in and put people into positions that forced our GM to resign as a result of it. So, yeah, we're bitter. Lol.

Also, nobody here actually expects Silver to do anything about it, assuming was implied sarcastically.


OK, that clarifies that part. Still, you operate within a system you're not in charge off. You have to live with the results of your actions. That's life. Now buck up. And rather than be upset it happened, you should be happy. Very unlikely any other team now does the same. Since you all worship the ground Sam Hinkie walks on, nobody will be able to duplicate "The Process". It was the greatest play ever, right?


I can see the sarcasm dripping of those words. Which makes you one of those old school “always play to win even if you can’t” types. No, instead of feeling indignant about tanking what you should be feeling indignant about is watching a league where the commissioner’s office is baldly hypocritical.
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Re: 2018 Pick Watch (Philly, LAL 1 or 6-30, etc) 

Post#623 » by SpoSucks » Sun Jan 14, 2018 2:33 am

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CoreyGallagher wrote:...Because he stepped in and put people into positions that forced our GM to resign as a result of it. So, yeah, we're bitter. Lol.

Also, nobody here actually expects Silver to do anything about it, assuming was implied sarcastically.


OK, that clarifies that part. Still, you operate within a system you're not in charge off. You have to live with the results of your actions. That's life. Now buck up. And rather than be upset it happened, you should be happy. Very unlikely any other team now does the same. Since you all worship the ground Sam Hinkie walks on, nobody will be able to duplicate "The Process". It was the greatest play ever, right?


I can see the sarcasm dripping of those words. Which makes you one of those old school “always play to win even if you can’t” types. No, instead of feeling indignant about tanking what you should be feeling indignant about is watching a league where the commissioner’s office is baldly hypocritical.


See my above post. I'm not indignant about anything. I came to this post for info on the Lakers pick and saw the post I initially referenced. I neither supported or was against The Process. It existed. That's it. It you who are indignant and illogically so.
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Re: 2018 Pick Watch (Philly, LAL 1 or 6-30, etc) 

Post#624 » by 76ciology » Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:02 am

Prior to Ben and Fultz..

MCW, Noel, Injured Biid and Okafor. Lets say Biid's health was as bad as consensus think back then.

It's mostly not Hinkie's fault, he has really bad luck in the draft and to his credit if he doesnt have that principle in the draft, we're looking at Exum or Mudiay instead of Embiid and Okafor.
That's 1 year of semi-tanking and 2 years of really bad tanking with nothing to show for.

It looked like a failed experiment back then, thats why Silver needs to step in.
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Re: 2018 Pick Watch (Philly, LAL 1 or 6-30, etc) 

Post#625 » by 76ciology » Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:13 am

Hmm..

What you guys think of Kings in 2019? Looks like they'll still be very bad
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Re: 2018 Pick Watch (Philly, LAL 1 or 6-30, etc) 

Post#626 » by sixers4real » Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:28 am

As of now it is 85% chance that we will keep the pick in 2018, and 15% we lose it to the Celtics.
I would much rather keep the pick in 2018, 6 or 7, and select Jaren Jackson Jr.
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Re: 2018 Pick Watch (Philly, LAL 1 or 6-30, etc) 

Post#627 » by 76ciology » Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:45 am

sixers4real wrote:As of now it is 85% chance that we will keep the pick in 2018, and 15% we lose it to the Celtics.
I would much rather keep the pick in 2018, 6 or 7, and select Jaren Jackson Jr.

Isnt it a 100% that we lose the pick in 2019 if we keep the Lakers pick next year?
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Re: 2018 Pick Watch (Philly, LAL 1 or 6-30, etc) 

Post#628 » by PLO » Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:49 am

76ciology wrote:
sixers4real wrote:As of now it is 85% chance that we will keep the pick in 2018, and 15% we lose it to the Celtics.
I would much rather keep the pick in 2018, 6 or 7, and select Jaren Jackson Jr.

Isnt it a 100% that we lose the pick in 2019 if we keep the Lakers pick next year?


The Kings pick is top one protected but if we get that pick the Celtics get our own first rounder.
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Re: 2018 Pick Watch (Philly, LAL 1 or 6-30, etc) 

Post#629 » by PLO » Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:51 am

sixers4real wrote:As of now it is 85% chance that we will keep the pick in 2018, and 15% we lose it to the Celtics.
I would much rather keep the pick in 2018, 6 or 7, and select Jaren Jackson Jr.


I'm beginning to think JJJ will be gone by the 6th pick. Hope not if we have the pick.
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shakes0 wrote:I hope they put Simmons on Trae. He'll foul him out by the 3rd quarter. plus Simmons can't stay in front of Trae. No one can.
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Re: 2018 Pick Watch (Philly, LAL 1 or 6-30, etc) 

Post#630 » by sixers4real » Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:52 am

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sixers4real wrote:As of now it is 85% chance that we will keep the pick in 2018, and 15% we lose it to the Celtics.
I would much rather keep the pick in 2018, 6 or 7, and select Jaren Jackson Jr.

Isnt it a 100% that we lose the pick in 2019 if we keep the Lakers pick next year?

It is. Maybe I was bad in explaining my thoughts.

Of course it is 100% that we either lose the LAL pick in2018 or the SAC pick in 2019. One of the two.

I meant that there is 85% chance we will keep the LAL pick in the 2018. And 15% we lose the LAL pick to the Celtics.

If 15% will occur, we will keep the SAC 2019 pick unprotected.

I think both situations are okay, but I'm intrigued by the Jaren Jackson Jr. And most of the 2018 mock drafts have him 6th or 7th.
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Re: 2018 Pick Watch (Philly, LAL 1 or 6-30, etc) 

Post#631 » by 76ciology » Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:59 am

Kings 2018-2019

Fox
Bogdan Bogdanovic
Justin Jackson
Skal
Mamba

Bench:
WCS
Hield

How good is that?
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Re: 2018 Pick Watch (Philly, LAL 1 or 6-30, etc) 

Post#632 » by CoreyGallagher » Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:21 am

SpoSucks wrote: The problem is that he didn't control all the rules (or perhaps think enough about the implications of his strategy). And that's where the NBA stepped in (I'm assuming they all didn't break any rules/laws. I never heard they did.) Essentially the termination of Hinkie as GM was the final (and perhaps logical) step of The Process. What you and CoryGallagher are doing is saying" I liked the part where our GM took advantage of the rules but I don't like the part where the rules worked against our GM." There is absolutely nothing wrong with what the league did just as there wasn't with what Hinkie did.

You implying that he broke rules and then being ambiguous about those that he supposedly did, or may have, doesn't make it true and consequently doesn't make it right that he was punished. What actual rules did he break that worked against him?

The reason that I'm bitter is because he didn't break any rules and the resulting consequences of not breaking the rules, which you insist he should have thought of, is bull*. That's you giving yourself an out of not having to do any actual explanation, it's also ignoring the logic as to why fans may be bitter...
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Re: 2018 Pick Watch (Philly, LAL 1 or 6-30, etc) 

Post#633 » by boyboy142 » Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:12 am

If this pick lands at 6 or 7 it'll be perfect. Jaren Jackson Jr. is such a perfect fit for this team. Trae Young would be great too.
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Re: 2018 Pick Watch (Philly, LAL 1 or 6-30, etc) 

Post#634 » by Sixerscan » Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:28 am

76ciology wrote:
sixers4real wrote:As of now it is 85% chance that we will keep the pick in 2018, and 15% we lose it to the Celtics.
I would much rather keep the pick in 2018, 6 or 7, and select Jaren Jackson Jr.

Isnt it a 100% that we lose the pick in 2019 if we keep the Lakers pick next year?

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Re: 2018 Pick Watch (Philly, LAL 1 or 6-30, etc) 

Post#635 » by 76ciology » Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:38 am

boyboy142 wrote:If this pick lands at 6 or 7 it'll be perfect. Jaren Jackson Jr. is such a perfect fit for this team. Trae Young would be great too.

I'm predicting we'll trade down for Mikal Bridges. We need another RoCo, and every team can't have too many of one.

I dont see us using a lotto to draft a big, unless the FO thinks its a generational big.
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Re: 2018 Pick Watch (Philly, LAL 1 or 6-30, etc) 

Post#636 » by 76ciology » Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:41 am

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76ciology wrote:
sixers4real wrote:As of now it is 85% chance that we will keep the pick in 2018, and 15% we lose it to the Celtics.
I would much rather keep the pick in 2018, 6 or 7, and select Jaren Jackson Jr.

Isnt it a 100% that we lose the pick in 2019 if we keep the Lakers pick next year?

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Hahaha hope we land that
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Re: 2018 Pick Watch (Philly, LAL 1 or 6-30, etc) 

Post#637 » by Sixerscan » Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:58 am

Lakers twitter is talking about trading for someone "for the playoff run" which is the most adorable thing I've ever read.
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Re: 2018 Pick Watch (Philly, LAL 1 or 6-30, etc) 

Post#638 » by BigSleep333 » Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:42 am

Sixerscan wrote:Lakers twitter is talking about trading for someone "for the playoff run" which is the most adorable thing I've ever read.

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Re: 2018 Pick Watch (Philly, LAL 1 or 6-30, etc) 

Post#639 » by sixers4real » Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:57 am

76ciology wrote:
boyboy142 wrote:If this pick lands at 6 or 7 it'll be perfect. Jaren Jackson Jr. is such a perfect fit for this team. Trae Young would be great too.

I'm predicting we'll trade down for Mikal Bridges. We need another RoCo, and every team can't have too many of one.

I dont see us using a lotto to draft a big, unless the FO thinks its a generational big.

Trade down? Well, that usually means quanity over quality.
We have 11 players under contract for next season, (I’m sure BC will pick up TJ and Holmes options), and 6 draft picks (if LAL picks conveyed). 2 in the first round and 4 in the second.
Plus Bolden probably coming over. 18 players? Too much. BC will have to do something, and I don’t think trading down is what he’s thinking.
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Post#640 » by BoomBap » Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:39 am

Porter has a bad injury so he has to be our No.1 candidate :D

I hope BC trades up (the Lakers pick and our pick). We also have a bunch of 2nd rounders and he has to use them to get back into the 1st round.

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