1/10 - POSTGAME | Oklahoma City Thunder (88) - (104) Minnesota Timberwolves

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Russell Westbrook | 38 PTS (15-23 FG), 10 REB, 5 AST, 4 STL
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Kyle Singler | 2 PTS (2-2 FT)
9
56%
 
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Post#41 » by bondom34 » Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:11 am

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There's a ceiling on this team with Westbrook running the show and anyone who has played or watched a significant amount of basketball realizes that. Westbrook is just a slightly worse but higher usage version of Iverson. He's fun to watch and plays with a lot of heart, but he will never win a 'ship.

Also, to respond to you saying HOU got so much better with D'Antoni. I'm laughing so hard right now. Do you not realize they went out and got 3 lights out shooters? Gordon, Anderson, AND Lou Williams? The roster was stacked with shooters in D'Antoni's first year and Morey knew D'Antoni would be perfect for this squad.


Ah, the "anyone who's played" defense, the last stand for someone with no reasonably informed retort. The ceiling seemed to be a top 2 offense and almost beating a 73-9 team, which seems rather strong to me. Anyone with half a thought would realize that most players don't win a ring, and I'm literally laughing at every reply you give.

It's a mix of Cowherd's hot takes and Skip Bayless trolling. They're garbage. You realize the offense ran as well with Westbrook as Durant no? And that in at the least 2016 he was on Durant's level? Because that's your ceiling bud. A near ring and almost beating the greatest team ever. But nah, it's him, always, that's why everyone realizes you seem to have a dreadful talent evaluation most everywhere, or just a ton of bad hot takes.


Hint: There's a thing called the internet, you're on it now You can use it to search for information before you make a claim that's factually inaccurate. Saves a lot of face.

Also, team 3 point percentage:

Houston in McHale's last year: 35 percent
Houston in MDA's first: 36 percent


:lol: And you're laughing :lol: Maybe the coach actually set them up to do it, what a novel idea! :lol:

I'd suggest you take the "anyone who's played" defense of a terrible take to someone who actually hasn't played.
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Post#42 » by slick_watts » Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:35 pm

bondom34 wrote:Also, team 3 point percentage:

Houston in McHale's last year: 35 percent
Houston in MDA's first: 36 percent


3pr went up 10% though.
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Post#43 » by bondom34 » Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:46 pm

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bondom34 wrote:Also, team 3 point percentage:

Houston in McHale's last year: 35 percent
Houston in MDA's first: 36 percent


3pr went up 10% though.

Yep, it did. I'd venture a guess MDA's offense had something to do with it.
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Post#44 » by spearsy23 » Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:49 pm

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getrichordie wrote:
EDIT: Also, Westbrook’s eFG% has always been lower than league average. His TS% has been close to league average in recent seasons he’s played, whether slightly above or below.

I don’t think it’s a good thing to have an average shooter shooting the most shots on our team and not playing defense.

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You can think what you'd like, because clearly it's separate from reality, but reality is that he's had the most impact on offense of almost any player in the NBA. It doesn't matter what he's shooting, because frankly offensive ability isn't measured by TS or eFG. If it was, Tyson Chandler would be the best offensive player in history. I hope you don't think that too, but by your current logic you do. Usage also isn't only related to shots taken, and him having the near same Ortg as Kevin bleeping Durant in 2016 when only 1 of the 2 is on court should be blatantly obvious to anyone with sense that his offensive impact isn't his shooting. He's got the impact of Durant and you're pissing about shooting. To add, Curry's playing with a DPOY, Klay, Durant, and Zaza. There's not a bad defender there, and Harden with multiple elite defenders . So using supporting cast is garbage. Everything we have says he's a fine defender except you, who continually divorced from factual debate, seems to ramble about negatives. He plays defense, and everything points to him being fine on that end except your rants on him. Just admit you hate him at this point, you'd honestly rather a bunch of crap players with the garbage coach Presti's brilliant mind found, its pretty obvious to see.

You can bake a cake with the ingredients there. The problem is the baker is only familiar with an EZ bake oven. Which is exactly why when Houston went from a bad coach to a good one, they improved. OKC is stuck with their crap coach.


There's a ceiling on this team with Westbrook running the show and anyone who has played or watched a significant amount of basketball realizes that. Westbrook is just a slightly worse but higher usage version of Iverson.

Anyone who knows anything about basketball can see that Westbrook is better than Iverson. That ceiling thing is true though, he can't take you any farther than Kobe took the Lakers.
“If you're getting stops and you're making threes and the other team's not scoring, that's when you're going to see a huge point difference there,” coach Billy Donovan said.
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Post#45 » by slick_watts » Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:49 pm

bondom34 wrote:
slick_watts wrote:
bondom34 wrote:Also, team 3 point percentage:

Houston in McHale's last year: 35 percent
Houston in MDA's first: 36 percent


3pr went up 10% though.

Yep, it did. I'd venture a guess MDA's offense had something to do with it.


and letting dwight go.
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Post#46 » by spearsy23 » Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:51 pm

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3pr went up 10% though.

Yep, it did. I'd venture a guess MDA's offense had something to do with it.


and letting dwight go.

I'd venture to guess MDA's hiring had something to do with that too :lol:
“If you're getting stops and you're making threes and the other team's not scoring, that's when you're going to see a huge point difference there,” coach Billy Donovan said.
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Post#47 » by bondom34 » Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:51 pm

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bondom34 wrote:
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3pr went up 10% though.

Yep, it did. I'd venture a guess MDA's offense had something to do with it.


and letting dwight go.

Yep, but playing more Capela didn't really change so much on the court. The offensive structure was totally different and they weren't forcing shots to the post w/ Dwight anymore.

OT but I totally forgot Dwight was with Charlotte even though they just played yesterday, he's become that much an afterthought.
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Post#48 » by spearsy23 » Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:55 pm

bondom34 wrote:
slick_watts wrote:
bondom34 wrote:Yep, it did. I'd venture a guess MDA's offense had something to do with it.


and letting dwight go.

Yep, but playing more Capela didn't really change so much on the court. The offensive structure was totally different and they weren't forcing shots to the post w/ Dwight anymore.

OT but I totally forgot Dwight was with Charlotte even though they just played yesterday, he's become that much an afterthought.

He's actually having a pretty good year. 13th in RPM wins, just ahead of Steven (in 3 more games).

Edit: Among Centers, just in case that wasn't implied.
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Post#49 » by slick_watts » Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:56 pm

spearsy23 wrote:Anyone who knows anything about basketball can see that Westbrook is better than Iverson. That ceiling thing is true though, he can't take you any farther than Kobe took the Lakers.


imagine if westbrook had phil coaching him. if phil ever wanted to coach again the thunder should pay him $20 million a year to coach westbrook and mind control him.
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Post#50 » by spearsy23 » Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:02 pm

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spearsy23 wrote:Anyone who knows anything about basketball can see that Westbrook is better than Iverson. That ceiling thing is true though, he can't take you any farther than Kobe took the Lakers.


imagine if westbrook had phil coaching him. if phil ever wanted to coach again the thunder should pay him $20 million a year to coach westbrook and mind control him.

Honestly, I'd prefer MDA and a roster that fits. With Phil I'm picturing 5 to 10 Westbrook post ups per night and it's ugly.

Presti really deserves criticism for this bench, and to a lesser extent for not taking on Ryan Anderson in a Melo to Houston trade.
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Post#51 » by slick_watts » Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:07 pm

spearsy23 wrote:
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spearsy23 wrote:Anyone who knows anything about basketball can see that Westbrook is better than Iverson. That ceiling thing is true though, he can't take you any farther than Kobe took the Lakers.


imagine if westbrook had phil coaching him. if phil ever wanted to coach again the thunder should pay him $20 million a year to coach westbrook and mind control him.

Honestly, I'd prefer MDA and a roster that fits. With Phil I'm picturing 5 to 10 Westbrook post ups per night and it's ugly.

Presti really deserves criticism for this bench, and to a lesser extent for not taking on Ryan Anderson in a Melo to Houston trade.


oh for sure. d'antoni was my pick after the brooks firing.
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Post#52 » by bondom34 » Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:12 pm

slick_watts wrote:
spearsy23 wrote:
slick_watts wrote:
imagine if westbrook had phil coaching him. if phil ever wanted to coach again the thunder should pay him $20 million a year to coach westbrook and mind control him.

Honestly, I'd prefer MDA and a roster that fits. With Phil I'm picturing 5 to 10 Westbrook post ups per night and it's ugly.

Presti really deserves criticism for this bench, and to a lesser extent for not taking on Ryan Anderson in a Melo to Houston trade.


oh for sure. d'antoni was my pick after the brooks firing.

A month or 2 ago I went back to those threads. Man that was infuriating. It was 10 pages of people talking each other into kinda being OK with the hire (myself included, though I turned back after a few months in his 1st season).
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