Value of Myles Turner centered trade package?

nsloan23 · Post #1 » by **nsloan23** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:48 pm

IF the pacers were to decide that we couldn't move forward with both Myles Turner and Sabonis ( I'm not advocating, just thinking through scenarios) what could we get for various trade packages centered around Myles Turner? For example what could we get back if we packaged Turner with our first round pick? Or maybe we package Turner with Bojan's contact (partial garuntee)?

I'm in the camp that Turner and Sabonis can play together but if we were to trade one I think Turner would probably provide the biggest return.

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Wizop · Post #2 » by **Wizop** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 3:57 pm

not very interested but Cleveland and Boston are the two playoff teams that own a lottery pick.

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winter_mute_13 · Post #3 » by **winter_mute_13** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:27 pm

Not interested in trading either Turner or Sabonis. T&T board probably is better for evaluating hypothetical value.

Post #4 » by **Grang33r** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:50 pm

nsloan23 wrote:IF the pacers were to decide that we couldn't move forward with both Myles Turner and Sabonis ( I'm not advocating, just thinking through scenarios) what could we get for various trade packages centered around Myles Turner? For example what could we get back if we packaged Turner with our first round pick? Or maybe we package Turner with Bojan's contact (partial garuntee)?

I'm in the camp that Turner and Sabonis can play together but if we were to trade one I think Turner would probably provide the biggest return.

Welcome to the board! Hell of a first post... coming in hot trying to get Myles Turner out of town. haha

I'm not really sure how to respond though, because my value would be highly unrealistic as i have never had any interest in thinking about trading Turner so the offer would need to knock my socks off.

Post #5 » by **Miller4ever** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:55 pm

Turner is one of our top 3, top 2 assets. Really hard to gauge those values because he's more valuable to us than for other teams (most young players are, and some unique examples like Lance Stephenson and Marcus Smart)

Post #6 » by **Jake0890** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:10 pm

People have talked about a package around Rozier, but I don't know if that'd get it done for me...

Wizop · Post #7 » by **Wizop** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 12:53 am

Jake0890 wrote:People have talked about a package around Rozier, but I don't know if that'd get it done for me...

not without multiple firsts including the high one and maybe not even then.

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Baller1234a · Post #8 » by **Baller1234a** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 12:59 am

Smart + MEM pick for Turner?

You get the pg of the future. Would have a hell of a defensive backcourt with Oladipo and Smart. Get a really enticing pick that’s probably in the lottery as well because Smart will need a new deal + to bridge the gap between Smart and Turner.
You guys could handle the hit on shooting as well.

Smart Oladpio Bogdanovic Young Saboins.

Thoughts on value?

If you don’t want Smart exchange Smart for Rozier.

Post #9 » by **Miller4ever** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:10 am

Smart is only good on the Celtics under Brad Stevens and would be average or worse under Nate McMillan.

winter_mute_13 · Post #10 » by **winter_mute_13** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 12:58 pm

I like Smart, maybe more than Rozier. Think the Pacers should look at him in FA. If not, no biggie.

Don't really want to trade for either dude, unless Celtics really value cap space. That's essentially the main trade asset we are offering other teams.

DoubleEagle4 · Post #11 » by **DoubleEagle4** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:06 pm

I honestly don't believe the Celtics are interested in getting rid of anyone right now. They are going to be the team to beat the next 4-5 years as long as Hayward and Kyrie stay in town. I am not even close to being ready to give up on Myles. He has not had the year that most hoped he would but he's fought a concussion and now elbow injury. He a 21 year 6'11" athletic guy that can shoot. Once he gets a little more physical , he's going to be a beast. The Pacers have time to groom him and continue to build.

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nsloan23 · Post #12 » by **nsloan23** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:46 pm

Pacers__Talk wrote:I honestly don't believe the Celtics are interested in getting rid of anyone right now. They are going to be the team to beat the next 4-5 years as long as Hayward and Kyrie stay in town. I am not even close to being ready to give up on Myles. He has not had the year that most hoped he would but he's fought a concussion and now elbow injury. He a 21 year 6'11" athletic guy that can shoot. Once he gets a little more physical , he's going to be a beast. The Pacers have time to groom him and continue to build.

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I don't think trading Myles would be the same as giving up on him. To me it's more an acknowledgement that, if we want to improve right now, trading Myles is the asset that gives us a chance to immediately improve, due to his potential. I think players like Rozeir and Smart would fill big holes, but not at the expense of Myles Turner.

If we were to entertain a trade involving Turner we would need to be getting back someone that can at least be a legit #2 option. It's definitely possible that this type of trade isn't out there though.

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Topofthekey · Post #13 » by **Topofthekey** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:58 pm

Myles Turner hasn't been having as good a year as people expected him to, so his current trade value is quite likely lower than it should be. Due to that, plus the fact that he's only going to get better, it doesn't seem like trading him now is a good decision.

Domas probably has higher trade value right now for the same reasons, he's been playing better than anyone expected, and the obvious conclusion is that he's going to look even better if given a chance to start regularly.

So if I were the Pacers and I absolutely have to trade one, I'd likely trade Domas instead of Turner, purely for trade value reasons.

Besides that, imo when it comes to trading, primary trade assets Pacers should cash in on are cap space relief and their pick, roughly in that order. What they should be looking for are either proven talents who can immediately help the team compete whose age also matches Vic's, or blue chip prospects, again roughly in that order.

Having said all that, if I were the Pacers and I had to trade Turner though, I'd see if Wizards are interested get younger and do some kind of Turner-John Wall swap, which will likely involve some other pieces. Given that Marcin Gortat mentioned that he's going to retire soon, it's possible they might be interested in a young C who can grow together with their team.

I'd also see if TWolves are committed to their current push for championship contention, or would they be interested to do some kind of Turner-Jimmy Butler swap, again likely involving other pieces. A trio of KAT-Turner-Wiggins gives them a really young and talented core to slowly build around

If no marquee talents like those two are available, I would then try to trade Myles Turner for another blue-chip prospect, such as Jason Taytum, Brandon Ingram, or Lonzo Ball.

But these kind of deal are unlikely to be available, because as mentioned, Myles Turner's trade value is kind of low atm, so in the end it's still better to just keep him and developed him

xxSnEaKyPxx · Post #14 » by **xxSnEaKyPxx** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:49 pm

Baller1234a wrote:Smart + MEM pick for Turner?

That is just not even remotely close to being close.

xxSnEaKyPxx · Post #15 » by **xxSnEaKyPxx** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:51 pm

Any trade with Turner is just probably not going to happen.

Trading young players with enormous potential is just so tough to do.

The team trading Turner is going to want to value him based on what he can be, where as the team trading for Turner is going to want to trade him for what he is now. Makes it near impossible for these two sides to come together in this scenario.

The only way it would really work is if Turner is the centerpiece in a deal for an All-Star type player.

basketballwacko2 · Post #16 » by **basketballwacko2** » Mon Jan 15, 2018 12:20 am

Baller1234a wrote:Smart + MEM pick for Turner?

You get the pg of the future. Would have a hell of a defensive backcourt with Oladipo and Smart. Get a really enticing pick that’s probably in the lottery as well because Smart will need a new deal + to bridge the gap between Smart and Turner.
You guys could handle the hit on shooting as well.

Smart Oladpio Bogdanovic Young Saboins.

Thoughts on value?

If you don’t want Smart exchange Smart for Rozier.

Nope not enough, Smart, LAL/Sac and Memphis pick would be a starting place still don't know for sure.

Pacers_Freak · Post #17 » by **Pacers_Freak** » Mon Jan 15, 2018 5:49 am

Myles isn't having a great year. But, Rozier or Smart and a crappy pick??? Hell no! And I'm screaming hell no at the top of my lungs. If that ever happened I'd personally help Pritchard move his stuff out of his office. Rozier and Smart are nice players. Real nice players. But come on....

AussiePacer · Post #18 » by **AussiePacer** » Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:33 am

The thing I love about NBA is how quickly things can change.

This time last year we would've been against a trade of Myles for Oladipo. As quickly as rankings of players change, so do good bigs remind us of their value - Davis today. Not suggesting Myles is on a similar trajectory, but he has some unique skills which suggest a long career. He's also happy with the Pacers.

Interesting to ponder what we could get for him, but the post above citing his likely drop in value this year suggests now is not the time either. I suspect we could get something in the lottery for him, but that doesn't guarantee the same level of potential or production we've seen and is a risk.

Pacersike · Post #19 » by **Pacersike** » Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:33 pm

The more I watch Sabonis play, the more I'm starting to believe that his best position in today's NBA is smallball center.

And some concerns about Turner have made it all the way into my head as well. When Dipo was out, he didn't show up, not even for a single game. He has a fragile body, his rebounding has really dropped to 5.7 since december, he's pretty soft.

We shouldn't be looking to trade him but if they offer us a very good older player to put next to Oladipo, I would think about it.

I think I would be ok with Sabonis as a starter at the 5. He is smart and strong enough to defend some and if we really need rim protection, I'm also hoping Anigbogu could be that guy.

Good draft picks and good free agents are out of the Pacers reach (now), it would be a waste of talent if both Turner and Sabonis need to play the 5 to be at their best.

Post #20 » by **pacers33granger** » Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:59 pm

Pacersike wrote:Good draft picks and good free agents are out of the Pacers reach (now), it would be a waste of talent if both Turner and Sabonis need to play the 5 to be at their best.

In general I agree but I think this season has shown us that, even if they're both best at the 5, there will likely be enough minutes for both of them. There will always be injuries and foul trouble and both seem to be more than fine sacrificing minutes if the other is playing well during a specific game.

Hopefully they can find a way to play together going forward though.