Markelle Fultz Discussion III: For Fultz and going forward (see 2017 draft thread for trade discussion)

[Stanford]

No one see's clips of him shooting normally in the mid range because most people don't really care. They want the outrage and panic.

Fact is outside of the free-throws and some off the dribble shooting I haven't seen him shoot 2 jumpers the same way. It's inconsistent which makes sense after you tweak your motion to support an injury and will likely continue to be until he get's time to specifically focus on his shooting(off season). Having said that a lot of young players have inconsistent mechanics and it by itself is not enough to keep you off the court. Get him on the court.

Yeah even the 3 point shots look like they have better form, despite the horrible outcomes. These videos are very encouraging tbh.

Read on Twitter

This looks just as bad if not worse

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[sicknastydunker]

Hopefully ESPN starts showing this video over and over and over. Colangelo deserves to wear this shame and suffer the appropriate consequences for this Fultz debacle.

Great idea. Nothing says compassion like endlessly shaming a teenager. Especially when BC comes out to defend himself by telling everyone it's Markelle's fault. Oh! And don't forget the gloating Celtics fans would have the opportunity to do.

**** wonderful idea.

The "teenager" excuse doesn't make sense for a guy who is not able to shoot a basketball like a normal basketball player.

And Fultz is a big boy. He should be able to handle some criticism. He hired an agent, became a professional, and signed a multimillion dollar contract. I'd say it's fair to expect him to be a big boy who doesn't wilt at the first sign of "shame"

[Stanford]

The "teenager" excuse

Excuse? What exactly was I excusing?

Shouldn't you be somewhere shouting racial slurs at outfielders?

[LloydFree]

Hopefully ESPN starts showing this video over and over and over. Colangelo deserves to wear this shame and suffer the appropriate consequences for this Fultz debacle.

Great idea. Nothing says compassion like endlessly shaming a teenager. Especially when BC comes out to defend himself by telling everyone it's Markelle's fault. Oh! And don't forget the gloating Celtics fans would have the opportunity to do.

**** wonderful idea.

The Celtics fans deserve to gloat. They should have been gloating back in June. If they're waiting until now they're late.

[Brauer]

No one see's clips of him shooting normally in the mid range because most people don't really care. They want the outrage and panic.

Fact is outside of the free-throws and some off the dribble shooting I haven't seen him shoot 2 jumpers the same way. It's inconsistent which makes sense after you tweak your motion to support an injury and will likely continue to be until he get's time to specifically focus on his shooting(off season). Having said that a lot of young players have inconsistent mechanics and it by itself is not enough to keep you off the court. Get him on the court.

Yeah even the 3 point shots look like they have better form, despite the horrible outcomes. These videos are very encouraging tbh.

Read on Twitter

This looks just as bad if not worse

Lmao okay that looks horrible. 3 pointer again. This is just so weird.

[cool93]

I think we all understand now, he is not playing this season. I don't see how anybody can still think that it's about injury.

Our organisation officially embarassed itself and we can only hope fo Fultz to somehow develop and become playable next season.

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[LongLiveHinkie]

When weird **** happens to the same team over and over every year, it's probably not a coincidence. It's a trend. Our organization needs to get its act together, we typically deal with these kinds of issues horribly.

If every member of the "John Doe" family ended up getting shot every year, logic would tell you they probably are not that unlucky and someone's targeting the family.

The fact that a player every year is somehow mismanaged is a stain on this organization.

[PhilasFinest]

When weird **** happens to the same team over and over every year, it's probably not a coincidence. It's a trend. Our organization needs to get its act together, we typically deal with these kinds of issues horribly.

If every member of the "John Doe" family ended up getting shot every year, logic would tell you they probably are not that unlucky and someone's targeting the family.

The fact that a player every year is somehow mismanaged is a stain on this organization.

Agreed. Even worse is that nobody has been held accountable at all, as if it is normal.

[chris4celts]

When weird **** happens to the same team over and over every year, it's probably not a coincidence. It's a trend. Our organization needs to get its act together, we typically deal with these kinds of issues horribly.

If every member of the "John Doe" family ended up getting shot every year, logic would tell you they probably are not that unlucky and someone's targeting the family.

The fact that a player every year is somehow mismanaged is a stain on this organization.

Agreed. Even worse is that nobody has been held accountable at all, as if it is normal.

If it makes you feel any better I think Ball is headed to be a bust. I think Fultz can still be a really good pro if he can simply revert back to what he's already done. Sixers may look better than the Lakers when all is said and done.

[PhilasFinest]

When weird **** happens to the same team over and over every year, it's probably not a coincidence. It's a trend. Our organization needs to get its act together, we typically deal with these kinds of issues horribly.

If every member of the "John Doe" family ended up getting shot every year, logic would tell you they probably are not that unlucky and someone's targeting the family.

The fact that a player every year is somehow mismanaged is a stain on this organization.

Agreed. Even worse is that nobody has been held accountable at all, as if it is normal.

If it makes you feel any better I think Ball is headed to be a bust. I think Fultz can still be a really good pro if he can simply revert back to what he's already done. Sixers may look better than the Lakers when all is said and done.

I’m not even talking about Fultz’s shot/future. I’m talking about the mishandling of information and lack of honest communication from the Sixers organization to its fan base.

They fired a GM fans liked in Hinke because he “wasn’t transparent with the fans/media” and replaced him with a snake who has been less available then the guy he replaced.

[BigSleep333]

When weird **** happens to the same team over and over every year, it's probably not a coincidence. It's a trend. Our organization needs to get its act together, we typically deal with these kinds of issues horribly.

If every member of the "John Doe" family ended up getting shot every year, logic would tell you they probably are not that unlucky and someone's targeting the family.

The fact that a player every year is somehow mismanaged is a stain on this organization.

what do you mean specifically?

embiid and simmons were handled perfectly imo. embiid had a real serious injury and we were tanking. him playing wouldnt get us simmons. simmons same. he could easily have played last season after the regular 3 months break after a jones-fracture. but they decided to keep it safe with a) simmons' foot and b) our lottoballs.

this fultz saga is nothing like that. horrible scouting (hell, 65 % from the stripe for a guard is alarming and i said that before the draft), disastrous value-loss in the trade for him and now that fake-injury plot to hide BC and/or fultz. this is beyond ridiculous. where is adam silver, when we really need him? i hate this **** alienworm

[chris4celts]

Agreed. Even worse is that nobody has been held accountable at all, as if it is normal.

If it makes you feel any better I think Ball is headed to be a bust. I think Fultz can still be a really good pro if he can simply revert back to what he's already done. Sixers may look better than the Lakers when all is said and done.

I’m not even talking about Fultz’s shot/future. I’m talking about the mishandling of information and lack of honest communication from the Sixers organization to its fan base.

They fired a GM fans liked in Hinke because he “wasn’t transparent with the fans/media” and replaced him with a snake who has been less available then the guy he replaced.

All true. I am just saying that we have not seen the best of Fultz. I can't be convinced that he can't eventually regain shooting form from college. Maybe next year. What could cause this to be career ending? Not seeing that.

You do need another GM. I think Brett Brown is fine - probably pissed off.

[LongLiveHinkie]

When weird **** happens to the same team over and over every year, it's probably not a coincidence. It's a trend. Our organization needs to get its act together, we typically deal with these kinds of issues horribly.

If every member of the "John Doe" family ended up getting shot every year, logic would tell you they probably are not that unlucky and someone's targeting the family.

The fact that a player every year is somehow mismanaged is a stain on this organization.

what do you mean specifically?

embiid and simmons were handled perfectly imo. embiid had a real serious injury and we were tanking. him playing wouldnt get us simmons. simmons same. he could easily have played last season after the regular 3 months break after a jones-fracture. but they decided to keep it safe with a) simmons' foot and b) our lottoballs.

this fultz saga is nothing like that. horrible scouting (hell, 65 % from the stripe for a guard is alarming and i said that before the draft), disastrous value-loss in the trade for him and now that fake-injury plot to hide BC and/or fultz. this is beyond ridiculous. where is adam silver, when we really need him? i hate this **** alienworm

Okafor took over a year to recover from a torn meniscus that was labeled a 6 week injury, Embiid was allowed to do under the leg dunks on a broken navicular injury and needed a second surgery, Embiid was allowed to play with a torn meniscus and a bone bruise, Ben Simmons took a full year to recover from a 3 month injury. Everything that happens to the Sixers always ends up being a bigger deal than normal circumstances.

Name me one time in the last 5 years someone returned from any type of trauma ahead of schedule.

[BigSleep333]

When weird **** happens to the same team over and over every year, it's probably not a coincidence. It's a trend. Our organization needs to get its act together, we typically deal with these kinds of issues horribly.

If every member of the "John Doe" family ended up getting shot every year, logic would tell you they probably are not that unlucky and someone's targeting the family.

The fact that a player every year is somehow mismanaged is a stain on this organization.

what do you mean specifically?

embiid and simmons were handled perfectly imo. embiid had a real serious injury and we were tanking. him playing wouldnt get us simmons. simmons same. he could easily have played last season after the regular 3 months break after a jones-fracture. but they decided to keep it safe with a) simmons' foot and b) our lottoballs.

this fultz saga is nothing like that. horrible scouting (hell, 65 % from the stripe for a guard is alarming and i said that before the draft), disastrous value-loss in the trade for him and now that fake-injury plot to hide BC and/or fultz. this is beyond ridiculous. where is adam silver, when we really need him? i hate this **** alienworm

Okafor took over a year to recover from a torn meniscus that was labeled a 6 week injury, Embiid was allowed to do under the leg dunks on a broken navicular injury and needed a second surgery, Embiid was allowed to play with a torn meniscus and a bone bruise, Ben Simmons took a full year to recover from a 3 month injury. Everything that happens to the Sixers always ends up being a bigger deal than normal circumstances.

Name me one time in the last 5 years someone returned from any type of trauma ahead of schedule.

okafor is a headcase on its own. but yep, that embiid return with a torn meniscus was absolutely incompetent.

[Mik317]

The simple fact that this team gets bodied by the flu every year is enough sign that maybe something needs to change in the training staff... add in the fact that no rookie has played for us without getting hurt in someway (Dario came the closest) and its just a bad look. There is being snakebitten and then there is us who jumped into the snakepit covered in berries

[Johnny Firpo]

The whole thing is just so sad. He was one of my favorite players in college, looked amazing, and even his jumper looked really good. Let's say it's the mechanics-change, why don't they/he just change it back? I don't understand, did one summer of repetition of the new jumper already replaced muscle memory? Didn't he shoot a decade+ the old way? This is why I would still believe the injury, because if he wasn't injured, wouldn't they just tell him to go back to the old mechanics?

[sicknastydunker]

The whole thing is just so sad. He was one of my favorite players in college, looked amazing, and even his jumper looked really good. Let's say it's the mechanic-change, why don't they/he just change it back? I don't understand, did one summer of repetition of the new jumper already replaced muscle memory? Didn't he shoot a decade+ the old way? This is why I would still believe the injury, because if he wasn't injured, wouldn't they just tell him to go back to the old mechanics?

Because that old jumper is clearly gone. It's gone from his muscle memory, or else he would've returned to it a long time ago. Who knows what happened? All we know is that jumper is gone, and he needs to rebuild a new one.

[lpennington]

And don't forget the gloating Celtics fans would have the opportunity to do.

I like Tatum. I hope certain fans' karma actually does not come back on them.

[marcush]

Pressure on Fultz camp to come up with another fake injury.

[LongLiveHinkie]

The whole thing is just so sad. He was one of my favorite players in college, looked amazing, and even his jumper looked really good. Let's say it's the mechanics-change, why don't they/he just change it back? I don't understand, did one summer of repetition of the new jumper already replaced muscle memory? Didn't he shoot a decade+ the old way? This is why I would still believe the injury, because if he wasn't injured, wouldn't they just tell him to go back to the old mechanics?

He should have no problem going back, I changed my jumper a million times and never had any problem going back.

The coaching is responsible here for not getting him where he needs to be. It's literally their job.