Markelle Fultz Discussion III: For Fultz and going forward (see 2017 draft thread for trade discussion)

[James40]

you cannot sit a guy because his shot is broken.

someone should be shanked (metaphorically) for this ****

Not to worry, I’ll ( metaphorically) shank myself if he misses the season.

[cksdayoff]

Is it possible there is something wrong with Fultz's shoulder for years that caused him to develop a shot to avoid the pain/irritation?
Then the Sixers trying to fix his shot had him using a shot which brought the pain/irritation.

I have seen a lot of baseball pitchers alter their throwing because of shoulder pain.

the only injury ive heard of was he had some knee problems early on in highschool because of a wierd gait when he ran. that was fixed early on.

who knows how his shoulder injury occurred. could have been due to undisciplined weight lifting in the offseason. could have been the shot alteration, but the injury effected several muscle groups in his shoulder and it got to a point where he couldn't lift his arm up to shoot the ball.

[cksdayoff]

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this is the fultz we're getting back. hopefully soon

[gdog2004]

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this is the fultz we're getting back. hopefully soon

Maybe next year man. That Fultz has left the building for now.

[Negrodamus]

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this is the fultz we're getting back. hopefully soon

Speak it into existence, brother. Lord knows we need it.

[LongLiveHinkie]

Hope Bryan fires some of the coaching and developmental staff for this debacle. Letting this happen is an egregious offense, and I've lost complete trust going forward in developing players because of this.

[sixers hoops]

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this is the fultz we're getting back. hopefully soon

Speak it into existence, brother. Lord knows we need it.

I forgot his stroke was that nice.

[Negrodamus]

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this is the fultz we're getting back. hopefully soon

Speak it into existence, brother. Lord knows we need it.

I forgot his stroke was that nice.

Yea, it was nice. We should just use him as an early Derozan and let him do his work in the interior. Outside shot doesn’t need to come this year. We just need talent that can get to the line and pull pressure off Redick/Cov.

[cksdayoff]

also gotta mention the guy is as talented a facilitator as anyone in the past several drafts. he's been severely underrated in that department

edit: also, bb says there's no one in the organization that thinks fultz isn't playing this season. with redick being injured to some extent, fultz needs to play soon

I forgot his stroke was that nice.

it's actually a slight modification to his college 3 point shot. he doesn't cock it back over his head as much. now i don't know if that was the start of the shoulder injury where he was starting to feel discomfort or an actual intentional modification over his college shooting form

[Kobblehead]

Having dual distributors that are opposite handed presents an interesting dilemma for opposing defenses. Teams are learning that dealing with Paul/Harden in Houston this year.

[OzCastiel]

Have the 76ers fired any of the development guys or even the medical staff like how boston did after the IT trade? Or has any information been released about when/how he actually got this injury? Never in a million years did I think zach lavine and IT would be back on the court before Fultz what kind of voodoo are they doing in that building???

[Kova]

Man, this guy from the video makes us 30% better team. What the f* is going on?!

[GWPhilly34]

Correct me if I'm wrong but they haven't ruled him out or labeled any setbacks, just BB saying he won't play until he fixes his shot?

If they don't push him to return now that Redick is out and we need some scoring I doubt we see him this year. I hate what they are doing to this kid. At least Lonzo's team has his back and has supported him through this process. He can't hit a cow in the *** with a banjo but at least they aren't hiding him and making a 19 year old get blasted as a mental head case nationally.

Sorry to be such a downer, I'm just very frustrated by how they are handling this. I coached high school kids for a long time and know how important a kids confidence is, especially this generation of kids.

[spikeslovechild]

Correct me if I'm wrong but they haven't ruled him out or labeled any setbacks, just BB saying he won't play until he fixes his shot?

If they don't push him to return now that Redick is out and we need some scoring I doubt we see him this year. I hate what they are doing to this kid. At least Lonzo's team has his back and has supported him through this process. He can't hit a cow in the *** with a banjo but at least they aren't hiding him and making a 19 year old get blasted as a mental head case nationally.

Sorry to be such a downer, I'm just very frustrated by how they are handling this. I coached high school kids for a long time and know how important a kids confidence is, especially this generation of kids.

What pissed me off more then anything is the first time they threw him out there when he couldn't shoot that had to f with the kids confidence.

Brett Brown can talk about all this bullcrap after the fact but I want to know why he was out there. Was he healthy or wasn't he.

[GWPhilly34]

Correct me if I'm wrong but they haven't ruled him out or labeled any setbacks, just BB saying he won't play until he fixes his shot?

If they don't push him to return now that Redick is out and we need some scoring I doubt we see him this year. I hate what they are doing to this kid. At least Lonzo's team has his back and has supported him through this process. He can't hit a cow in the *** with a banjo but at least they aren't hiding him and making a 19 year old get blasted as a mental head case nationally.

Sorry to be such a downer, I'm just very frustrated by how they are handling this. I coached high school kids for a long time and know how important a kids confidence is, especially this generation of kids.

What pissed me off more then anything is the first time they threw him out there when he couldn't shoot that had to f with the kids confidence.

Brett Brown can talk about all this bullcrap after the fact but I want to know why he was out there. Was he healthy or wasn't he.

Yeah I agree he probably shouldn't have played but the lack of support has been awful. Stop pointing fingers or more common, not saying anything, and have your players back. I really hope they roll him out soon (if healthy) and let him take his lumps while teaching and supporting the kid.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

you cannot sit a guy because his shot is broken.

someone should be shanked (metaphorically) for this ****

This. The whole thing stinks of Colangelo trying to avoid criticism if you ask me. Fultz shouldn't have started the season because it was apparent that his shoulder wasn't right, but they still rolled him out there. Seems like Colangelo didn't want to take heat for the team drafting another injured player, so they minimized his injury and let him play.

Now, they're holding him back even though he's hinted on 2 different occasions that he might be playing soon. Of course, he has yet to be cleared, and now the team has Brett Brown saying that Fultz needs to be able to shoot the basketball? From an outsider's point of view - it seems like Colangelo doesn't want him to play because he doesn't want to take the heat for trading up, only to find out that the guy they drafted can't shoot anymore.

You guys have to remember - Colangelo bent over backwards to make sure that his prized 1st pick overall in Toronto, Andrea Bargnani, would succeed. When it was decided that he didn't rebound well enough to play the 5 (alongside Bosh), Colangelo traded for Jermaine O'Neal so they could move Bargnani to the SF spot. Terrible idea, since everyone knew damn well that there was no way he'd ever be able to guard 3s. So what does Colangelo do? He trades away Jermaine O'Neal (plus a 1st rounder) to Miami for Shawn Marion. Colangelo's justification - Bargnani would go back to the 5, and his lack of rebounding would be compensated for with the presence of a good rebounding SF in Marion.

You guys really deserve better than Colangelo. He is awful.

[Ericb5]

Having dual distributors that are opposite handed presents an interesting dilemma for opposing defenses. Teams are learning that dealing with Paul/Harden in Houston this year.

Good point.


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[Negrodamus]

I guess it's about that time to trigger everyone:

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[76ciology]

Having dual distributors that are opposite handed presents an interesting dilemma for opposing defenses. Teams are learning that dealing with Paul/Harden in Houston this year.

This.

[76ciology]

you cannot sit a guy because his shot is broken.

someone should be shanked (metaphorically) for this ****

This. The whole thing stinks of Colangelo trying to avoid criticism if you ask me. Fultz shouldn't have started the season because it was apparent that his shoulder wasn't right, but they still rolled him out there. Seems like Colangelo didn't want to take heat for the team drafting another injured player, so they minimized his injury and let him play.

Now, they're holding him back even though he's hinted on 2 different occasions that he might be playing soon. Of course, he has yet to be cleared, and now the team has Brett Brown saying that Fultz needs to be able to shoot the basketball? From an outsider's point of view - it seems like Colangelo doesn't want him to play because he doesn't want to take the heat for trading up, only to find out that the guy they drafted can't shoot anymore.

You guys have to remember - Colangelo bent over backwards to make sure that his prized 1st pick overall in Toronto, Andrea Bargnani, would succeed. When it was decided that he didn't rebound well enough to play the 5 (alongside Bosh), Colangelo traded for Jermaine O'Neal so they could move Bargnani to the SF spot. Terrible idea, since everyone knew damn well that there was no way he'd ever be able to guard 3s. So what does Colangelo do? He trades away Jermaine O'Neal (plus a 1st rounder) to Miami for Shawn Marion. Colangelo's justification - Bargnani would go back to the 5, and his lack of rebounding would be compensated for with the presence of a good rebounding SF in Marion.

You guys really deserve better than Colangelo. He is awful.

Hahaha

Bro, nice try.

Here’s the thing. Everyone makes mistakes. And quite frankly, smart guys like BC gets better whenever they make mistakes because they learn from it. It’s not like he’s scott layden or Billy King. BC has made several good moves for the team and other teams.

Everyone around the league viewed the Fultz trade as a great deal for the Sixers Even RealGM’s own Reina graded Sixers A and Celtics C in the deal. Like I said, the second most valued type of player in the league after generational talents like LBJ and lead guards. Every contender has a lead guard.

You may say Bargnani was a flop. It could also mean that BC has a good vision on the big picture that stretch 4 and bigs who shoot 3s is the upcoming trend. Look at every big trying to shoot and play like Bargnani on offense knowadays. Bargnani has the tools to be a star. You just cant predict the work ethic and the intangibles of these kids.

Alternative to Bargnani was LMA. If not for the Spurs, I really believe LMA’s career was about to go into the opposite direction with his lack of D, poor rebounding and heavy mid range game, thats why PTB was Ok to let him go. Maybe BC saw that coming?

So far BC has done a very good job in the draft. Only head scratcher so far is Pasecniks. But then jury is still out on him.

Joe Dumars built a crazy good Pistons squad that won the championship. He also drafted Darko.

Phil Jackson won a bazillion number of rings, but he looked like a clown with his vision as Knicks GM. So can be said with Michael Jordan.

People laugh at MDA and Don Nelson back then. Look how they proved people wrong eventually.

Being right or wrong is relative to time. Great and average decision makers all make mistakes, the difference is in the frequency of mistakes. Do they learn from it or not.