WWE Royal Rumble (January 28th, 2018)

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WWE Royal Rumble (January 28th, 2018) 

Post#1 » by iMoreland » Tue Jan 16, 2018 6:04 pm

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Kickoff Show

• Bobby Roode's United States Championship Open Challenge

• Drew Gulak, Jack Gallagher, and TJ Perkins vs. Gran Metalik, Kalisto, and Lince Dorado

• Karl Anderson and Luke Gallows vs. The Revival

Royal Rumble

• Raw Tag Team Championships: Jason Jordan and Seth Rollins (c) vs. The Bar

• SmackDown Tag Team Championships 2 out of 3 Falls Match: The Usos (c) vs. Chad Gable and Shelton Benjamin

• WWE Championship Handicap Match: AJ Styles (c) vs. Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn

• Universal Championship Triple Threat Match: Brock Lesnar (c) vs. Braun Strowman vs. Kane

• 30-Woman Royal Rumble Match

• 30-Man Royal Rumble Match
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Re: WWE Royal Rumble (January 28th, 2018) 

Post#2 » by iMoreland » Tue Jan 16, 2018 6:05 pm

Potential major spoiler
Spoiler:
Daniel Bryan is the current betting odds favorite to win the Royal Rumble
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Post#3 » by Flames24Rulz » Tue Jan 16, 2018 6:07 pm

I'm sure The Club is going to be in the RAW Tag Title match now too, which I wouldn't be against at all.
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Re: WWE Royal Rumble (January 28th, 2018) 

Post#4 » by Ruzious » Tue Jan 16, 2018 6:25 pm

They really need to have Cena hogging the picture like that?
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Re: WWE Royal Rumble (January 28th, 2018) 

Post#5 » by Stanford » Tue Jan 16, 2018 6:57 pm

iMoreland wrote:Potential major spoiler
Spoiler:
Daniel Bryan is the current betting odds favorite to win the Royal Rumble


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Re: WWE Royal Rumble (January 28th, 2018) 

Post#6 » by Ruzious » Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:14 pm

iMoreland wrote:Potential major spoiler
Spoiler:
Daniel Bryan is the current betting odds favorite to win the Royal Rumble

Yyyyyyy...ikes!
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Re: WWE Royal Rumble (January 28th, 2018) 

Post#7 » by jakecronus8 » Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:44 pm

iMoreland wrote:Potential major spoiler
Spoiler:
Daniel Bryan is the current betting odds favorite to win the Royal Rumble

Spoiler:
Bryan/Styles has the makings of an all time mania moment/match.
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Re: WWE Royal Rumble (January 28th, 2018) 

Post#8 » by improper » Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:05 pm

jakecronus8 wrote:
iMoreland wrote:Potential major spoiler
Spoiler:
Daniel Bryan is the current betting odds favorite to win the Royal Rumble

Spoiler:
Bryan/Styles has the makings of an all time mania moment/match.


Can't wait for it to open the show and be given five minutes. :lol:

Gotta keep room for that 45 minute Undertaker/Cena "Walker on a Pole" match.
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Post#9 » by studcrackers » Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:04 am

jesus christ yall can't enjoy anything
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Post#10 » by improper » Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:08 am

studcrackers wrote:jesus christ yall can't enjoy anything


I pretty consistently enjoy NXT and Lucha Underground. It's not my fault the main roster mostly sucks. It's not like we want it to be awful. I'm pretty sure we'd all love for main roster WWE to be great, but it's not, and it hasn't been in ages. Raw and Smackdown are basically unwatchable at this point, and the PPVs tend to be more suck than good.

At any rate, I think we've all been conditioned to expect the worst from Vince by now. That way, when we get something that isn't the worst, it's a pleasant surprise.
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Re: WWE Royal Rumble (January 28th, 2018) 

Post#11 » by Spens1 » Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:24 am

improper wrote:
studcrackers wrote:jesus christ yall can't enjoy anything


I pretty consistently enjoy NXT and Lucha Underground. It's not my fault the main roster mostly sucks. It's not like we want it to be awful. I'm pretty sure we'd all love for main roster WWE to be great, but it's not, and it hasn't been in ages. Raw and Smackdown are basically unwatchable at this point, and the PPVs tend to be more suck than good.

At any rate, I think we've all been conditioned to expect the worst from Vince by now. That way, when we get something that isn't the worst, it's a pleasant surprise.


this, recent weeks aside (because credit where its due, its actually been somewhat decent), the main roster is absolutely terrible. NXT is light years ahead and there is no reason main roster WWE shouldn't be almost that good given the talent they have on hand (both wrestlers and writers).
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Post#12 » by Spens1 » Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:25 am

On the Rumble, I'd be fine with Bryan coming back on a Lesnar type deal, its about time the fans got something.
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Re: WWE Royal Rumble (January 28th, 2018) 

Post#13 » by improper » Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:56 am

Spens1 wrote:this, recent weeks aside (because credit where its due, its actually been somewhat decent), the main roster is absolutely terrible. NXT is light years ahead and there is no reason main roster WWE shouldn't be almost that good given the talent they have on hand (both wrestlers and writers).


Yeah, I've never really understood the idea that people push sometimes that we want WWE to suck because we get off on bashing it. I mean, maybe that's true for a few people, but I think the vast majority of us bash it because it's a terrible product and we have fond memories of watching it when we were kids when it wasn't a terrible product. I largely grew up right as the Attitude Era was kicking off, so my memories are all those glory years of Austin, Rock, DX, Angle, Jericho, and even WCW stuff like Hogan turning heel and the nWo before they ran it completely into the ground.

I think it's safe to say that none of us want WWE to suck. We want it to be great again, and it's incredibly frustrating because they have everything in place to be an amazing wrestling promotion, but they basically never are. It's surprising when WWE isn't terrible. We cling to the handful of great matches they give us each year, like Styles/Cena at the Rumble last year or the Hell in a Cell between Usos and New Day, but those matches are so few and far between that it's downright embarrassing for a company that probably employs half of the best wrestlers in the world.

It's equally frustrating watching NXT, which is the same damn company, and seeing them do wrestling so well without really doing anything fundamentally different. At its core, NXT is no different from WWE. The angles are nothing that we haven't seen before a million times. The wrestlers are the same guys who end up going to the main roster and largely floundering. It's still PG, with no purposeful blood and very little swearing.

The main difference is that NXT is well-booked. Guys (and gals) are allowed to look like stars. There's no need for 50/50 booking because the people running the show understand that no one gets over like that, and a good promotion needs stars (and not just one guy that the crowd hates that they keep booking as a face) to find a real audience. We likely all started watching wrestling because of guys like Austin, Rock, Michaels, hell, maybe even Hogan and Andre for some of you guys. Guys that were stars and booked like it. Guys that won a hell of a lot more than they lost, and weren't forced to trade wins with everyone. Guys that got to largely write their own promos and develop their own characters without constant micromanagement.

NXT seems to understand wrestling and what it needs to be to please a crowd. WWE doesn't give a damn about the crowd. It's become a soulless, soul-crushing machine that exists solely to make money. And look, making money is obviously the primary goal of any wrestling promotion. I get that. You can't survive if you're losing money. But it can't be the only goal. WWE has created a system in which they make money despite the will of the fans, and while that may be nice for their bottom line now, you're starting to see cracks in the foundation. Live event attendance is down. Viewership goes down every year. Network subscription numbers are constantly fudged by WWE giving away countless free trials (I haven't paid for it in over a year thanks to this). Eventually, if they keep down this path, there won't be many fans left to keep throwing money into the machine.

But ultimately, as a fan, all I really want is to watch a good wrestling show. NXT is a good wrestling show. Lucha Underground is a good wrestling show. Raw and Smackdown are not, and that's the problem. People can shout "sports entertainment" until they're blue in the face, but there's almost nothing entertaining about Raw or Smackdown these days, and the in-ring sport aspect sucks too. If they wanted to focus more on the creative aspect of wrestling, fine, but they're doing it so terribly that there's no rational reason to support it.

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Re: WWE Royal Rumble (January 28th, 2018) 

Post#14 » by JohnPferdelack » Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:51 pm

iMoreland wrote:Potential major spoiler
Spoiler:
Daniel Bryan is the current betting odds favorite to win the Royal Rumble


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Re: WWE Royal Rumble (January 28th, 2018) 

Post#15 » by LLJ » Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:25 pm

improper wrote:
NXT seems to understand wrestling and what it needs to be to please a crowd. WWE doesn't give a damn about the crowd. It's become a soulless, soul-crushing machine that exists solely to make money. And look, making money is obviously the primary goal of any wrestling promotion. I get that. You can't survive if you're losing money. But it can't be the only goal. WWE has created a system in which they make money despite the will of the fans, and while that may be nice for their bottom line now, you're starting to see cracks in the foundation. Live event attendance is down. Viewership goes down every year. Network subscription numbers are constantly fudged by WWE giving away countless free trials (I haven't paid for it in over a year thanks to this). Eventually, if they keep down this path, there won't be many fans left to keep throwing money into the machine.


Another thing with NXT is even their losers don't get buried. There's always hope for them to fight another day even after a tough loss. For example, some people have compared Alexa's dominant reign on the main roster with Asuka's on NXT, but there's a huge difference. In Asuka's feuds a bunch of her opponents actually gained more cred after their feuds with her, even when they lost. In Alexa's feuds on the main roster her opponents were completely humiliated and devalued. That's not how you run a roster and business, by devaluing your assets like that. Every single wrestler has their own fanbase, and if you bury them without giving them a shot at redemption those fans will turn off your product. A lot of this is a reflection of Vince's own twisted vision of good booking too.
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Re: WWE Royal Rumble (January 28th, 2018) 

Post#16 » by Wo1verine » Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:40 pm

Everyone knows Reigns is going to win the Rumble again lol
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Post#17 » by Spens1 » Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:38 am

Wo1verine wrote:Everyone knows Reigns is going to win the Rumble again lol


If they want to kill him off completely yeah sure. It will take them 6 months again to get him up to standard if they pull this off, people will walk out of the main event if they go for Reigns vs Lesnar.
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Re: WWE Royal Rumble (January 28th, 2018) 

Post#18 » by improper » Fri Jan 19, 2018 8:11 pm

Spens1 wrote:
Wo1verine wrote:Everyone knows Reigns is going to win the Rumble again lol


If they want to kill him off completely yeah sure. It will take them 6 months again to get him up to standard if they pull this off, people will walk out of the main event if they go for Reigns vs Lesnar.


The main event is chiseled into stone as Lesnar/Reigns. Vince has been planning this for over a year. The only thing that would stop it is Roman getting himself suspended.

However, I don't think that Reigns is going to win the Rumble. I think a Smackdown guy wins it. Reigns/Lesnar will still be the last match at 'Mania, but even I can't see Vince being dumb enough to try to have Reigns win the Rumble again right now.
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Post#19 » by Stanford » Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:44 pm

NXT is a one hour weekly television show and quarterly special event promotion that isn't required to make a profit for the company. Non wrestling fans have no idea it exists and couldn't name one member of the roster. It has no television executives to please and no advertisers to keep happy. I agree that there are elements of NXT that should be incorporated into WWE, but it's unfair to compare them. If NXT had to do 5 hours of live television every week, it would suck even more than Raw and SD!
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Post#20 » by improper » Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:24 pm

Stanford wrote:If NXT had to do 5 hours of live television every week, it would suck even more than Raw and SD!


Eh...if it were ran by the same bookers and not micromanaged by Vince, I think it would still be better than Raw or Smackdown. The main problem with Raw/Smackdown is that the writers are forced to write for an out of touch seventy year old man, not their actual viewing audience. In NXT, they write for the fans, and so the product is significantly better.

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