Markelle Fultz Discussion III: For Fultz and going forward (see 2017 draft thread for trade discussion)

[Stanford]

I think he plays against the Celts

Lol they already said he's out.

That means very little coming from this organization.

[76ciology]

I think he plays against the Celts

Lol they already said he's out.

That means very little coming from this organization.

Welcome to the fake news era

[Stanford]

Celtics fans deserve Bryan Colangelo

[76ciology]

Glass half full outlook. Changing his mechanics may actually make him a better shooter in the long term. We’re seeing it with his progress on his FT shooting. Fingers crossed.

[Eyeamok]

Glass half full outlook. Changing his mechanics may actually make him a better shooter in the long term. We’re seeing it with his progress on his FT shooting. Fingers crossed.

God Bless your heart for keeping such a positive attitude.

[Kolkmania]

We keep getting videos of him shooting, I can careless about it. Are they gonna keep releasing videos of him until the end of the season? I want to read about a return date, only this dam organization won’t release dates of when a player returns.

You do know reporters are filming this with their phones right? I think it's pretty clear, they want him to shoot properly before they send him out. Which is reasonable to me for multiple reasons.

1. We don't need another guard who can't shoot. We already have massive spacing issues and that won't get any better with Fultz who's hesitant to shoot.

2. If Fultz can't shoot it will put massive pressure on him and he will be labeled a bust, with the whole media drama attached to it. I'd rather hold him back and make him work on regaining his jumper.

[Kolkmania]

7:25: Brett Brown talks about Fultz' role in practices as the PG of the bench unit.

Watch on YouTube

I personally would love to hear about the steps they're taking with Fultz. Is it at this point just getting more repetitions and feeling more confident, or are they unhappy with the form and trying to tweak it?

[76ciology]

Glass half full outlook. Changing his mechanics may actually make him a better shooter in the long term. We’re seeing it with his progress on his FT shooting. Fingers crossed.

God Bless your heart for keeping such a positive attitude.

#staypositive

[XDevilBoiX]

We keep getting videos of him shooting, I can careless about it. Are they gonna keep releasing videos of him until the end of the season? I want to read about a return date, only this dam organization won’t release dates of when a player returns.

You do know reporters are filming this with their phones right? I think it's pretty clear, they want him to shoot properly before they send him out. Which is reasonable to me for multiple reasons.

1. We don't need another guard who can't shoot. We already have massive spacing issues and that won't get any better with Fultz who's hesitant to shoot.

2. If Fultz can't shoot it will put massive pressure on him and he will be labeled a bust, with the whole media drama attached to it. I'd rather hold him back and make him work on regaining his jumper.

Yea I know it’s the reporters who filmed it but you know it’s what the Sixers want, they control what they want to release. They know everyone was waiting for videos of him shooting. This whole thing was handled wrong, just be honest from the get go. It was just a clown show between the Sixers, Fultz and his agent. They can’t give us a date when Fultz will come back, are they purposely letting the media release films of him shooting in that bad form to justify him missing the season and deflecting heat off of them? It seems like it to me but what do I know.

They shouldn’t have played him at the beginning of the season going byboth of your reasoning. I’m tired of making excuses for this organization, they haven’t changed a thing from how Hinkie ran it. BC has been doing everything Hinkie had done, we still get answers from BB only while the man of action has been missing. He only shows his face for all the positive things. JC said things would be different when he stepped in and I haven’t seen **** change yet.

[OzCastiel]

Celtics fans deserve Bryan Colangelo

No one does. He'll be back in his hole in a couple years hopefully silver keeps him there.

[51X3RF4N]

Hey, would it be a reasonable request to have someone either sticky, or post new, or go back to the OP of this thread, and compile all videos from Twitter of Fultz shooting so we have sort of a timeline to follow? Really I would just want the stuff from his absence this season, and anything new between now and his return to the court.

Thoughts?

[mithrandir17]

Hey, would it be a reasonable request to have someone either sticky, or post new, or go back to the OP of this thread, and compile all videos from Twitter of Fultz shooting so we have sort of a timeline to follow? Really I would just want the stuff from his absence this season, and anything new between now and his return to the court.

Thoughts?

Someone will have to go through 3 different threads, which is 100+ pages each to do that. So good luck.

[cksdayoff]

amazing we about to hit a 4th markelle fultz thread probably by the end of the day

[Eyeamok]

7:25: Brett Brown talks about Fultz' role in practices as the PG of the bench unit.

Watch on YouTube

I personally would love to hear about the steps they're taking with Fultz. Is it at this point just getting more repetitions and feeling more confident, or are they unhappy with the form and trying to tweak it?

Watch the video from 7:25 to 8:34 with the sound off. Look at coach Brown's facial expressions and body gestures.
As soon as the question is asked a slight smile comes across his face as if to say here we go again. Then as he answers the question he shakes his head no and shurgs his shoulders a few times as if to say I dont know what to tell you. This all indicates to me that Brown does not know what the hell is going on with Fultz or when he will be back. No matter what he says about Fultz being able to impact a game etc. Fultz still has a ways to go.

[gdog2004]

amazing we about to hit a 4th markelle fultz thread probably by the end of the day

What do you expect man ? The Sixers fans are faced with the very real fact that after 3-4 years of tanking, of being patient with the team, after watching 15 win teams go out there for YEARS, that the very real reality is that BC may have traded away TWO potential top 3 picks AND passed on the potential ROTY for virtually NOTHING in return. Because that's what Fultz has been, nothing.

[Kolkmania]

7:25: Brett Brown talks about Fultz' role in practices as the PG of the bench unit.

Watch on YouTube

I personally would love to hear about the steps they're taking with Fultz. Is it at this point just getting more repetitions and feeling more confident, or are they unhappy with the form and trying to tweak it?

Watch the video from 7:25 to 8:34 with the sound off. Look at coach Brown's facial expressions and body gestures.
As soon as the question is asked a slight smile comes across his face as if to say here we go again. Then as he answers the question he shakes his head no and shurgs his shoulders a few times as if to say I dont know what to tell you. This all indicates to me that Brown does not know what the hell is going on with Fultz or when he will be back. No matter what he says about Fultz being able to impact a game etc. Fultz still has a ways to go.

Well that's probably because he honestly doesn't know when he's ready to play. It's not a matter of healing a common injury or something like that, it's a matter of refinding his shot. Who knows how long that will take, it might take him all year to be honest and even if that's the case I won't blame them for holding him out the entire year. It might be the right thing to do, long term development of Fultz is the number one priority.

[ivysixer2000]

amazing we about to hit a 4th markelle fultz thread probably by the end of the day

What do you expect man ? The Sixers fans are faced with the very real fact that after 3-4 years of tanking, of being patient with the team, after watching 15 win teams go out there for YEARS, that the very real reality is that BC may have traded away TWO potential top 3 picks AND passed on the potential ROTY for virtually NOTHING in return. Because that's what Fultz has been, nothing.

Its always kinda interesting to me that we talk so much about Fultz not playing yet some of the same people preach 'trust the process'.

It seems like the trust the process thing came from patience, waiting on Embiid and Ben, but Fultz better get his tail on the court right now. Seems like your willing to wait on those unknown picks (could be Noel or Okafor for all we know) and hope they develop into something, but not willing to allow Fultz to develop.

Fultz is part of the process, either you have the patience for him to develop or 'trust the process' didn't really mean anything to you in the first place.

[gdog2004]

amazing we about to hit a 4th markelle fultz thread probably by the end of the day

What do you expect man ? The Sixers fans are faced with the very real fact that after 3-4 years of tanking, of being patient with the team, after watching 15 win teams go out there for YEARS, that the very real reality is that BC may have traded away TWO potential top 3 picks AND passed on the potential ROTY for virtually NOTHING in return. Because that's what Fultz has been, nothing.

Its always kinda interesting to me that we talk so much about Fultz not playing yet some of the same people preach 'trust the process'.

It seems like the trust the process thing came from patience, waiting on Embiid and Ben, but Fultz better get his tail on the court right now. Seems like your willing to wait on those unknown picks (could be Noel or Okafor for all we know) and hope they develop into something, but not willing to allow Fultz to develop.

Fultz is part of the process, either you have the patience for him to develop or 'trust the process' didn't really mean anything to you in the first place.

Its because of the situation. Okafor, Embiid, Ben, Noel all showed SOMETHING immediately once they weren't injured.
We drafted a guy for his shooting who forgot how to shoot. The whole situation has been a mess from the jump.
The process has to have an end point at some point. It cant be a 15 year process.

[76ciology]

What do you expect man ? The Sixers fans are faced with the very real fact that after 3-4 years of tanking, of being patient with the team, after watching 15 win teams go out there for YEARS, that the very real reality is that BC may have traded away TWO potential top 3 picks AND passed on the potential ROTY for virtually NOTHING in return. Because that's what Fultz has been, nothing.

Its always kinda interesting to me that we talk so much about Fultz not playing yet some of the same people preach 'trust the process'.

It seems like the trust the process thing came from patience, waiting on Embiid and Ben, but Fultz better get his tail on the court right now. Seems like your willing to wait on those unknown picks (could be Noel or Okafor for all we know) and hope they develop into something, but not willing to allow Fultz to develop.

Fultz is part of the process, either you have the patience for him to develop or 'trust the process' didn't really mean anything to you in the first place.

Its because of the situation. Okafor, Embiid, Ben, Noel all showed SOMETHING immediately once they weren't injured.
We drafted a guy for his shooting who forgot how to shoot. The whole situation has been a mess from the jump.
The process has to have an end point at some point. It cant be a 15 year process.

Yes, the process has advanced into another stage when we give up value to actually try to build a winning team, which was always been the plan.

And thats why we traded for Fultz. Fultz fills a big hole in our team and gives you certainty than hoping you get a player like Fultz by trading multiple assets. Fultz is THE missing piece, ive said it before and BB also said it. Tatum and the Kings pick won't be able to fill that BIG hole.

"Ending the Process" depends on your definition. What process are you referring? From a rebuilding team to a team that is trying to win? Because there's also a process being from a winning team to winning a championship.

..and waiting for Fultz to regain his shooting is also a process.

[gdog2004]

Its always kinda interesting to me that we talk so much about Fultz not playing yet some of the same people preach 'trust the process'.

It seems like the trust the process thing came from patience, waiting on Embiid and Ben, but Fultz better get his tail on the court right now. Seems like your willing to wait on those unknown picks (could be Noel or Okafor for all we know) and hope they develop into something, but not willing to allow Fultz to develop.

Fultz is part of the process, either you have the patience for him to develop or 'trust the process' didn't really mean anything to you in the first place.

Its because of the situation. Okafor, Embiid, Ben, Noel all showed SOMETHING immediately once they weren't injured.
We drafted a guy for his shooting who forgot how to shoot. The whole situation has been a mess from the jump.
The process has to have an end point at some point. It cant be a 15 year process.

Yes, the process has advanced into another stage when we give up value to actually try to build a winning team, which was always been the plan.

And thats why we traded for Fultz. Fultz fills a big hole in our team and gives you certainty than hoping you get a player like Fultz by trading multiple assets. Fultz is THE missing piece, ive said it before and BB also said it. Tatum and the Kings pick won't be able to fill that BIG hole.

"Ending the Process" depends on your definition. What process are you referring? From a rebuilding team to a team that is trying to win? Because there's also a process being from a winning team to winning a championship.

..and waiting for Fultz to regain his shooting is also a process.

I am not disagreeing about Fultz. I was all on board for the trade and drafting him.
However, I am not a scout or NBA GM. And if this guy turns into a complete bust, which TBH, if he cant shoot he IS a complete bust(I dont care what PR noise BB is throwing out there), then BC will have to be held accountable for not doing his due diligence prior to drafting him. We all saw how awful he looked during pre-draft workouts for the Sixers and the Celtics. Maybe Ainge put stock into it, BC didn't .