Guess the Trade Deadline Move by Ernie Grunfeld

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This thread is sick, really sick. Also really funny. & really scary.

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I'd be thrilled with that trade. We only drop about 10-12 spots in the draft yet we unload Mahinmi's contract? And we get a short-term upgrade at backup center? Sign me up!
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Even if it didn't get us out of the luxury tax this year, dumping Mahinmi gets us out of it the next two years. It saves us from the repeater tax and it's a compromise I bet Ted would go for.

It would be a great trade, though it's more like 17-19 spots we drop.

But... why would Phoenix be interested in it? In effect, they'd be taking on $30m in salary to move up 17-19 spots. They already have Chandler signed for next year, they also have Alan Williams for the next 3 years, & Len will not be expensive at all, should they want another C.

[Dark Faze]

That problem exists no matter what we do. Take your pick, pay massive luxury taxes or unload Mahinmi.

Ultimately, centers will be a dime a dozen this summer because everybody is already overloaded at the position. We could find a replacement for Mahinmi for peanuts.

I agree with the general thought, though I think we'll have to be talking about vet min in reality to stay under the cap. Actually, the vet min might be approaching too much. We may need to sell one of our seconds.

If Mahinmi is off the books (as well as our pick), we will have more than the vet minimum to work with in the offseason. Our payroll will be about $113M and the luxtax threshold will probably be something north of $120M.

Would you anticipate our exceptions being used exclusively for Scott and a backup C?

[nate33]

I agree with the general thought, though I think we'll have to be talking about vet min in reality to stay under the cap. Actually, the vet min might be approaching too much. We may need to sell one of our seconds.

If Mahinmi is off the books (as well as our pick), we will have more than the vet minimum to work with in the offseason. Our payroll will be about $113M and the luxtax threshold will probably be something north of $120M.

Would you anticipate our exceptions being used exclusively for Scott and a backup C?

Yes. Though I'm not certain Scott would be retained. It depends on cost.

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If Mahinmi is off the books (as well as our pick), we will have more than the vet minimum to work with in the offseason. Our payroll will be about $113M and the luxtax threshold will probably be something north of $120M.

?? From http://www.basketballinsiders.com/washington-wizards-team-salary/, I have our payroll w/o Mahinmi at $110m for 10 players.

Assuming we'll need another 4 players, that doesn't give us a whole lot to work with above the veteran minimum. It's likely we'd be a worse team than we are this year.

The following year, of course, disaster hits.

[nate33]

If Mahinmi is off the books (as well as our pick), we will have more than the vet minimum to work with in the offseason. Our payroll will be about $113M and the luxtax threshold will probably be something north of $120M.

?? From http://www.basketballinsiders.com/washington-wizards-team-salary/, I have our payroll w/o Mahinmi at $110m for 10 players.

Assuming we'll need another 4 players, that doesn't give us a whole lot to work with above the veteran minimum. It's likely we'd be a worse team than we are this year.

The following year, of course, disaster hits.

Yes, your $110M figure looks right. But if the luxtax threshold is $120M, doesn't that give us an extra $10M to spend? It couldn't all be on one player because our only mechanism for spending money would be the MLE, but the MLE is $8.8M and then an extra minimum salary guy gets us up to $10M.

And you are right that the problems hit the following year. Ideally, any extra money spent next year would be on one-year deals. And the problems beyond 2019 aren't nearly as bad with Mahinmi gone.

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If Mahinmi is off the books (as well as our pick), we will have more than the vet minimum to work with in the offseason. Our payroll will be about $113M and the luxtax threshold will probably be something north of $120M.

?? From http://www.basketballinsiders.com/washington-wizards-team-salary/, I have our payroll w/o Mahinmi at $110m for 10 players.

Assuming we'll need another 4 players, that doesn't give us a whole lot to work with above the veteran minimum. It's likely we'd be a worse team than we are this year.

The following year, of course, disaster hits.

Yes, your $110M figure looks right. But if the luxtax threshold is $120M, doesn't that give us an extra $10M to spend? It couldn't all be on one player because our only mechanism for spending money would be the MLE, but the MLE is $8.8M and then an extra minimum salary guy gets us up to $10M.

Which has us at 12 players. I believe the minimum is 13, but we've never carried fewer than 14.

In that case, 3 veteran minimum players & the MLE guy once again puts us over the luxtax mark. Now, if we were to acquire a pick in R2, & sign the guy for $850K, that would help a bit.

Is the $8.8m figure for the MLE the same for all teams? Doesn't it differ depending on whether you're under/over the cap & tax thresholds?

[NatP4]

Ernie is reading this thread looking for bad trade ideas that he might have overlooked.

Rather than simply using the pick to dump Jason Smith, another idea for Ernie would be to trade Mahinmi and a 1st round pick to an under-the-cap team in exchange for a mediocre, cheaper vet. Something like Mahinmi + 1st round pick to Sacramento for Garrett Temple.

Yeah, if we're burning a pick it should be for Mahinmi - not Smith.

But if we're talking about probability, my mind keeps coming back to Mirotic as this year's Bogdanovic.

But Mirotic is actually good, and can help us. If Ernie uses our pick to move Mahinmi’s salary and bring back a good player, I’m fine with it.

[Dark Faze]

I think we get the full 8.8 if we're over the cap but below the lux tax line which we would be in this hypothetical scenario. Above the line you get 5.192 at a max of 3 year deals, teams under the cap get an MLE for 4.328 for a max of two years.

So our second round pick between 800k-1.2m, and then a deal maybe around 3-4 million for Mike Scott (if we deem it necessar) using the mlee, leaving us with another 4-5 million for a backup C option.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

This is a fun thread. If you like reading apocalyptic, depressing scenarios.

I live in Hawaii. We thought we were going to get nuked the other day.

This is fun. That was too after about 2 minutes...

When the threat had passed there was a 48% bump in porn hub traffic from Hawaii. I am guessing you accounted for at least half that 48%. JK.

Maybe not THAT site, but ...

I'm hearing more and more stories about folks driving 90mph, people having heart issues (somebody needing a stint and whether they can sue), and that person tryna put his kid down a manhole

Yes, leswizards, folks FAPPED or did whatever to take the edge off. For sure.