3rd Annual Fire Kidd Thread - Volume 2 (Horst Interview pg 14)
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Slowly but surely the national media’s recognizing what we’ve been dealing with for years, hopefully it’s only a matter of time. It shouldn’t take a genius to look at this team and our coach, and recognize an issue
            
                                    
                                    
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Effort and energy. Now youth again after he proclaimed it won't be an excuse again.
Not only that, but yesterday he admitted he sucks as a coach.
I pity all the good college coaches that aren't lucky to have an NBA owner as a buddy.
            
                                    
                                    Not only that, but yesterday he admitted he sucks as a coach.
I pity all the good college coaches that aren't lucky to have an NBA owner as a buddy.
No hay banda.
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I can’t even be mad, just jealous. Brad is a helluva coach and a helluva man. Always stands up for his guys, and makes adjustments according to the personnel, not his own personal whims
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Wonka wrote:
I can’t even be mad, just jealous. Brad is a helluva coach and a helluva man. Always stands up for his guys, and makes adjustments according to the personnel, not his own personal whims
While Kidd uses so much of his most recent press conference lamenting the "youth" of his team, Stevens exhibits the complete opposite approach and viewpoint. I don't think it's a coincidence or a surprise given their respective coaching abilities.
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Doing otherwise just enables young people to coast.
MilBucksBackOnTop06 wrote:The fight for civil rights just like for liberty and justice and peace won't be won by man. It will take a god...so lets move on to sports.
Magic Giannison wrote:Giannis is god but even god's cannot save our **** team.
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imithanos wrote:Effort and energy. Now youth again after he proclaimed it won't be an excuse again.
Not only that, but yesterday he admitted he sucks as a coach.
I pity all the good college coaches that aren't lucky to have an NBA owner as a buddy.
If he's brought back, it'll be youth next season too.
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It's almost astounding how little things have changed going from Kohl to this ownership group.  The rhetoric changed momentarily but the action and results have been largely the same.  
They just happened to have a player they didn't draft turn into a superstar. Despite that, we remain the Bucks.
            
                                    
                                    
                        They just happened to have a player they didn't draft turn into a superstar. Despite that, we remain the Bucks.
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JEIS wrote:I remembered them switching to synthetic basket balls... Looks like they only did it for 2 months. :/
I remember that, too. The players hated it. I guess, to paraphrase the rugby bumper sticker, it's always going to take leather balls to play basketball.
"The Bucks in six always. That's for the culture." -- B. Jennings
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When you're 41 and look like you're 17, I think that gives you a special insight into age issues.
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I know this is being displayed at arm's length like a smelly sock, but there is Kiddonian wisdom here. He may not make it with them to the Promised Land (as MLK sort of said), but this wandering through the desert is a necessary precondition to getting there.
On-court decision-making is a function of knowing where your teammates are, should be, and will be, and then making the correct decision based on these inputs. If we could transplant the late Jo Jo White's brain into Giannis's head while it's still fresh (he died Tuesday), we'd be a little closer. But we're still a long way away from the precision and collaboration of the Celtics teams on which Jo Jo played.
Maybe we never get there, but this I know: replacing Kidd with a David Blatt-type theoretician, or a guy like Shaka Smart who is innovative at the college level, or with a Jeff Van Gundy-type retread coach, will likely do nothing to get us there faster.
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emunney wrote:Clock is ticking but there's a lot of time left for Kidd imo. I would still be shocked if he were fired within the next 12 months. We'd have to miss the playoffs, which I don't think will happen, but if we do, I think Horst is probably also donezo and we do a major reexamination.
Yep, this has been my feeling as well since the season started. Its going to take a losing record / playoff miss or failure to oust Kidd.
Horst can go as well when Kidd goes. Another guy learning on the job. Can we not have professionals? You know not only ones that have actually done the job but perhaps even ones that have done a good job.
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Krispy Kreme wrote:
Jesus, that is depressing.
Not exactly accurate considering the Bucks' record since Bledsoe joined the team.
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JimmyTheKid wrote:Krispy Kreme wrote:
Jesus, that is depressing.
Not exactly accurate considering the Bucks' record since Bledsoe joined the team.
They were 4-6 when they traded for Bledsoe. So they're 19-15 with Bledsoe. That's a 55.8% win rate. 24-20 is good for a 54.5% win rate. Are you really going to go down with the ship on this one?
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What ship is that exactly?
            
                                    
                                    
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JimmyTheKid wrote:What ship is that exactly?

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sidney lanier wrote:
On-court decision-making is a function of knowing where your teammates are, should be, and will be, and then making the correct decision based on these inputs.
Sid,
The problem isn't Giannis knowing where his teammates are (not that I mistake the point you are getting it and have been getting at with the team not finding their equilibrium since his ascension)...they are all standing around with no idea of what to do or where to go, which makes knowing where they will be next to impossible (in the event they did move or completely easily defended when they don't move)
I mean, it was embarrassing watching how stagnant our offense is with guys standing around and just predictably passing the ball around the perimeter until we get it into the corner with 7 seconds left, it's hideous brand of basketball.
Maybe it would be fair to question why is everyone standing around, what are they suppose to be doing and is what they are suppose to be doing the right thing for our offense? Those are much more important questions and I believe the most objective answers will take you to the players don't know what they are suppose to do, they are afraid to do it, they are instructed to do it or they suffer from some type of basketball off ball paralysis disorder (BOBPD).
At the end of the day, I want a coach that puts his players in the best position to succeed. If I had to apply Kidds ability to the Scoville Scale, I'd rate him somewhere between a Bell Pepper and a Pepperoncini. For comparison sake, your average coach is hovering around a Thai Pepper and your Brad Stevens of the world are approaching Ghost Pepper heat.
It is almost comical to me how even when we stumble on really effective ways to use guys, we abandon it on a game to game basis, but here we are still trying to have Delly jam an ally oop pass through traffic to the Brogdon cutter, over and over and over again.
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Rockmaninoff wrote:
Doing otherwise just enables young people to coast.
Whoa, whoa whoa, so Brad Stevens didn't just tell people to lower their expectations? I thought that was directly from the NBA Coaching Media Handbook? No?











