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Re: RE: Re: GT #45: Wizards @ Hornets -- 7 PM 

Post#101 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:02 pm

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dlts20 wrote:Honestly I'd still take EJ over the guys we've had since. Tapscott, Flip, Witt, and Brooks all have 0 offensive imagination

No. EJ sucked as a coach. Gilbert Arenas was better than anybody on our current roster yet EJ only cracked 43 wins once and never cracked 45 wins. Butler was about as good as Bradley Beal too.

I was just speaking about offense. EJ is not a HC. He's basically an offensive coordinator. Guys like Witt are defensive coordinators. We need to find someone who can do both like the next Brad Stevens. Instead we held onto Witt too long and now have Ernie's son as our HC
What we really needed was EJ for offense in Tom Thibodeau for defense.

I'll never forget the year was 2007 when Thibodeau was almost our defensive coach. He chose Boston instead of the Wizards. All he did was win a championship as an assistant with the Celtics. Then he became the head coach of the Bulls.

His good choice was something that hurt the Wizards. Eddie might not have wanted him but he sure could have used that guy's help on defense.



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Re: GT #45: Wizards @ Hornets -- 7 PM 

Post#102 » by ClutchDJ » Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:07 pm

Would bench Otto, Morris, & Gortat. Otto moreso cause he’s not 100%. Start Oubre, Scott, & I guess Mahinmi.
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Re: RE: Re: GT #45: Wizards @ Hornets -- 7 PM 

Post#103 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:10 pm

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nate33 wrote:No. EJ sucked as a coach. Gilbert Arenas was better than anybody on our current roster yet EJ only cracked 43 wins once and never cracked 45 wins. Butler was about as good as Bradley Beal too.

I was just speaking about offense. EJ is not a HC. He's basically an offensive coordinator. Guys like Witt are defensive coordinators. We need to find someone who can do both like the next Brad Stevens. Instead we held onto Witt too long and now have Ernie's son as our HC

See, I think EJ was overrated as an offensive coach. He was innovative, but his innovations weren't all that efficient. Ultimately, his system demanded a lot of skills from his bigs, and offensively skilled bigs are typically poor defenders (unless they're superstars). Basically, the very nature of his offensive system made it inevitable that the team wouldn't have good defensive personnel. A good offensive coach can make the offense work despite having to hide one or two defensive specialist type players who can do little else on offense except catch-and-shoot or rim roll.

All that said, I don't mean to imply that Brooks is doing a good job either. Unlike a guy like Brad Stevens or Rich Carlisle, Brooks does not seem to understand how to put his players in a position to succeed - to maximize their strengths and minimize their weaknesses. Frankly, I liked the offense better under Wittman. Wittman's offense, at least when a stretch-four in place, worked okay. At least it put Gortat in pick-and-rolls where he is best; it put Wall in pick-and-rolls and making his skip passes to the corners, what he does best; and it had Ariza playing exclusively catch-and-shoot or attacking close-outs.
Eddie was not overrated as an offensive coach.

Antonio Daniels and DeShawn Stevenson where the starting guards and went to the playoffs. If anything Eddie was ahead of his time using Princeton type centers.

Eddie was an innovator and he was not afraid to give young guys a chance. He once played Pecherov, Blatche, and I believe JaVale McGee as his frontcourt. That was when each of them were 22 years old or less.

I think Eddie was tied to what Tom Penn or Pete Carrill or others invented as an offensive system. He didn't innovate that. One thing Eddie would do is change up on the fly. He had a knack for putting the right guy in the game at the right time, regardless of the offense.

Jordan's greatest attribute was he could beat you with an underdog team.

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Re: GT #45: Wizards @ Hornets -- 7 PM 

Post#104 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:11 pm

Where I agree with you Nate is that Whitman's offense was better than Brooks' offense.

This coach is not as good as the last coach as far as I'm concerned.

Randy was a very solid coach.

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Re: GT #45: Wizards @ Hornets -- 7 PM 

Post#105 » by Dat2U » Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:30 am

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Where I agree with you Nate is that Whitman's offense was better than Brooks' offense.

This coach is not as good as the last coach as far as I'm concerned.

Randy was a very solid coach.

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Your affinity for lousy coaches is funny.

Randy and his staff were generally regarded as one of the worst in the league. Wittman basically insulated himself from getting fired in-season by having such a weak staff around him. Word is the Wizards wanted to let Wittman go after he completely lost the team his last season after a bad loss to Denver but couldn't because none of his assistants were viewed as interim coach material.
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Post#106 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:56 am

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Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Where I agree with you Nate is that Whitman's offense was better than Brooks' offense.

This coach is not as good as the last coach as far as I'm concerned.

Randy was a very solid coach.

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Your affinity for lousy coaches is funny.

Randy and his staff were generally regarded as one of the worst in the league. Wittman basically insulated himself from getting fired in-season by having such a weak staff around him. Word is the Wizards wanted to let Wittman go after he completely lost the team his last season after a bad loss to Denver but couldn't because none of his assistants were viewed as interim coach material.
I married lousy, too. Twice, sadly. :noway:

I liked Eddie the Wizards coach. He didn't cry like Doug Collins. Unlike Flips Saunders, he didn't throw everyone except his boys for Fabricio (more fouls then points) Oberto and Trenton Hassell under the bus. EJ didn't call guys knuckleheads. Eddie could win with really crappy rosters. He kept in-house problems in house.

Randy Wittman was a good man. I never thought he was a great coach. I did think he did a much better job and Tapscott and Saunders. Wittman coached when Vesely and Seraphin were both starting for 15 straight games. He was the coach when they swept the Toronto Raptors in the playoffs. I have an affinity for both him and Eddie Jordan because I like the people that they were. I thought they were competent and did well with the talent that they had.

Scott Brooks seems like a decent guy. I just don't think he's a good coach.

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Re: GT #45: Wizards @ Hornets -- 7 PM 

Post#107 » by nate33 » Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:20 pm

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Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Where I agree with you Nate is that Whitman's offense was better than Brooks' offense.

This coach is not as good as the last coach as far as I'm concerned.

Randy was a very solid coach.

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Your affinity for lousy coaches is funny.

Randy and his staff were generally regarded as one of the worst in the league. Wittman basically insulated himself from getting fired in-season by having such a weak staff around him. Word is the Wizards wanted to let Wittman go after he completely lost the team his last season after a bad loss to Denver but couldn't because none of his assistants were viewed as interim coach material.

For the record, I want it to be clear that I'm not classifying Randy Wittman as a good coach. I'm just saying that I thought he did a better job than Brooks does at putting his players in a position to succeed. The offense under Wittman was only marginally worse than the current offense despite the team not having a PF with 3-point range. And the defense was much better.

Brooks is better than Wittman at player development, but not in X's and O's. Both coaches are probably below average overall.
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Re: GT #45: Wizards @ Hornets -- 7 PM 

Post#108 » by Wizardspride » Fri Jan 19, 2018 1:15 pm

nate33 wrote:
Dat2U wrote:
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Where I agree with you Nate is that Whitman's offense was better than Brooks' offense.

This coach is not as good as the last coach as far as I'm concerned.

Randy was a very solid coach.

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Your affinity for lousy coaches is funny.

Randy and his staff were generally regarded as one of the worst in the league. Wittman basically insulated himself from getting fired in-season by having such a weak staff around him. Word is the Wizards wanted to let Wittman go after he completely lost the team his last season after a bad loss to Denver but couldn't because none of his assistants were viewed as interim coach material.

For the record, I want it to be clear that I'm not classifying Randy Wittman as a good coach. I'm just saying that I thought he did a better job than Brooks does at putting his players in a position to succeed. The offense under Wittman was only marginally worse than the current offense despite the team not having a PF with 3-point range. And the defense was much better.

Brooks is better than Wittman at player development, but not in X's and O's. Both coaches are probably below average overall.

Strangely enough, I never felt Randy was horrible from a strategic standpoint. I just thought he was a little stubborn.

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