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Or trade him to Denver for Jamal Murray
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This season has been incredibly depressing for me. Obviously, haven't posted much on the board as such. I'm giddy about the idea of this trade. Kemba deserves better. We need to tank. It's the best solution. Without Kemba we're easily a bottom 5 team. Give me any of Doncic, Young, Porter, Jackson.
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Largely agree with Gatz.
If Kemba is traded, then both Cho and Cliff need to go as well. Honestly I might replace Cho first before trading Kemba, if I were MJ.
If Kemba is traded, then both Cho and Cliff need to go as well. Honestly I might replace Cho first before trading Kemba, if I were MJ.
My picks:
2020 Draft (3rd pick) - Tyrese Haliburton, Devin Vassell, or Onyeka Okongwu
2021 Draft (11th pick) - Moses Moody
2020 Draft (3rd pick) - Tyrese Haliburton, Devin Vassell, or Onyeka Okongwu
2021 Draft (11th pick) - Moses Moody
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If we're tanking, I'm okay with this. I just don't think that is the case.
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If we’re trading kemba we need to trade him for his full value not attach a **** contract with him. By the time we’re done rebuilding, all the bad contracts will be gone expect Batum
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Kemba and batum to sixers for Fultz, Saric, Amir Johnson (exp) and (Booker or Baylees)-both exp
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JMAC3 wrote:Kemba and batum to sixers for Fultz, Saric, Amir Johnson (exp) and (Booker or Baylees)-both exp
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Nope, we'd much prefer draft picks than a basic swap of Kemba for Fultz. We're looking at a full rebuild so future picks will carry more weight.
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I don't know the solution, but I do believe that while this team struggles with consistency it is talented enough to be a perennial top 4 seed in the East, and for that reason I don't think this is a smart move.
I won't stomach a rebuild well. I don't think we have the assets to do a PHI style tank, and even if we did I and IMO the fanbase don't have the patience to tank for four years to get to the point where we are a .500ish fringe playoff team still banking on potential like PHI is right now.
I think it is entirely possible to likely if we do this trade that we don't sniff the playoffs or see competitive basketball for at least three or four seasons. I'm not ok with that.
I won't stomach a rebuild well. I don't think we have the assets to do a PHI style tank, and even if we did I and IMO the fanbase don't have the patience to tank for four years to get to the point where we are a .500ish fringe playoff team still banking on potential like PHI is right now.
I think it is entirely possible to likely if we do this trade that we don't sniff the playoffs or see competitive basketball for at least three or four seasons. I'm not ok with that.
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I think Im going to be sick
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yosemiteben wrote:I don't know the solution, but I do believe that while this team struggles with consistency it is talented enough to be a perennial top 4 seed in the East, and for that reason I don't think this is a smart move.
I won't stomach a rebuild well. I don't think we have the assets to do a PHI style tank, and even if we did I and IMO the fanbase doesn't have the patience to tank for four years to get to the point where we are a .500ish fringe playoff team still banking on potential like PHI is right now.
I think it is entirely possible to likely if we do this trade that we don't sniff the playoffs or see competitive basketball for at least three or four seasons. I'm not ok with that.
You never have a solution lol.
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316Hornets wrote:JMAC3 wrote:Kemba and batum to sixers for Fultz, Saric, Amir Johnson (exp) and (Booker or Baylees)-both exp
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Nope, we'd much prefer draft picks than a basic swap of Kemba for Fultz. We're looking at a full rebuild so future picks will carry more weight.
You would have to assume our pick drops to top 5 without Kemba and batum and bringing back those players. So we add Saric, Fultz plus a top 5(our own). And we dump batum contract.
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The end of the Cho era will be him trading the best player he ever brought to the franchise.
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I doubt it will happen, the asking price will probably be too high. At worst, that is the way they try to unload Batum, but no franchise would take them both imo.
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Charlotte will only trade him for another top 10 pick (I hope)
Sixers' pick, or the BKN pick. Or Phoenix if they think they have enough young players and want to build around Kemba/Booker
Sixers' pick, or the BKN pick. Or Phoenix if they think they have enough young players and want to build around Kemba/Booker
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2754679-nba-trade-ideas-could-cavs-brooklyn-pick-get-them-kemba-walker
Charlotte Hornets Receive: C Channing Frye, SF/PF Cedi Osman, SG/SF Iman Shumpert, SG JR Smith, 2018 first-round pick (via Brooklyn Nets), 2020 second-round pick (via Miami Heat)
Cleveland Cavaliers Receive: SG/SF Nicolas Batum, PG/SG Michael Carter-Williams, PG Kemba Walker
The inspiration for this deal is twofold. First, according to ESPN.com's Dave McMenamin, multiple "prominent players" from the Cavaliers told a combination of ESPN, Cleveland.com and The Athletic that the current roster isn't title-worthy.
Verbalizing this doubt, even anonymously, is a harbinger of urgency. Cleveland's recent skid—which has included two losses to its arch NBA Finals nemesis, the Golden State Warriors—forces the front office to approach the trade deadline with an open mind. Everything and everyone not named LeBron James must be on the table—even the Brooklyn Nets' first-rounder, which should still hold top-10 status even if it ends up outside the top three.
Enter the second mode of inspiration: The Charlotte Hornets' fading playoff hopes. They sit five games back of the East's final postseason spot and must now start asking themselves some tough questions. As the New York Times' Marc Stein wrote:
"Yet we advise you to track them at least through the Feb. 8 trade deadline because Charlotte will probably be forced to consider dealing Kemba Walker. If Walker stays, Jordan risks losing his best player without compensation in the summer of 2019 — or, perhaps worse, paying big bucks to hang on to him instead of starting an overdue tear-down of a pricey but mediocre roster."
Picking up the Nets selection while escaping the final $99.1 million of Nicolas Batum's contract (includes this season) is good value for the Hornets—even if they have to swallow the injured Iman Shumpert and struggling JR Smith, in addition to Channing Frye's expiring salary. Both can be sent packing after next year (Smith has a partial guarantee for 2019-20), and overpaying them for a short while beats investing almost twice as much in Batum over two additional seasons.
Cedi Osman isn't chopped liver either. And, equally tantalizing, the Hornets drum up the value of their own draft selection. They are putrid when playing without Walker and have more than enough time to crash the Atlanta Hawks and Orlando Magic's rock-bottom party.
Walker is a huge get for the Cavaliers. Yes, they'll have to ask their own tough questions with Isaiah Thomas' free agency on tap. Do they keep him? Try moving him with Tristan Thompson for DeAndre Jordan? The legwork is worth it. Walker isn't as much as a defensive liability when going up against the Warriors, and he's a dangerous enough spot-up shooter to work beside James.
Batum isn't worth near-max money to Charlotte. He might be to Cleveland. The outlook on his entire offensive game changes when he goes from second in command to a third or fourth option. And his cross-wing defense holds up against Golden State. A Batum-Jae Crowder-Playoff LeBron trio could wreak some serious havoc.
Charlotte Hornets Receive: C Channing Frye, SF/PF Cedi Osman, SG/SF Iman Shumpert, SG JR Smith, 2018 first-round pick (via Brooklyn Nets), 2020 second-round pick (via Miami Heat)
Cleveland Cavaliers Receive: SG/SF Nicolas Batum, PG/SG Michael Carter-Williams, PG Kemba Walker
The inspiration for this deal is twofold. First, according to ESPN.com's Dave McMenamin, multiple "prominent players" from the Cavaliers told a combination of ESPN, Cleveland.com and The Athletic that the current roster isn't title-worthy.
Verbalizing this doubt, even anonymously, is a harbinger of urgency. Cleveland's recent skid—which has included two losses to its arch NBA Finals nemesis, the Golden State Warriors—forces the front office to approach the trade deadline with an open mind. Everything and everyone not named LeBron James must be on the table—even the Brooklyn Nets' first-rounder, which should still hold top-10 status even if it ends up outside the top three.
Enter the second mode of inspiration: The Charlotte Hornets' fading playoff hopes. They sit five games back of the East's final postseason spot and must now start asking themselves some tough questions. As the New York Times' Marc Stein wrote:
"Yet we advise you to track them at least through the Feb. 8 trade deadline because Charlotte will probably be forced to consider dealing Kemba Walker. If Walker stays, Jordan risks losing his best player without compensation in the summer of 2019 — or, perhaps worse, paying big bucks to hang on to him instead of starting an overdue tear-down of a pricey but mediocre roster."
Picking up the Nets selection while escaping the final $99.1 million of Nicolas Batum's contract (includes this season) is good value for the Hornets—even if they have to swallow the injured Iman Shumpert and struggling JR Smith, in addition to Channing Frye's expiring salary. Both can be sent packing after next year (Smith has a partial guarantee for 2019-20), and overpaying them for a short while beats investing almost twice as much in Batum over two additional seasons.
Cedi Osman isn't chopped liver either. And, equally tantalizing, the Hornets drum up the value of their own draft selection. They are putrid when playing without Walker and have more than enough time to crash the Atlanta Hawks and Orlando Magic's rock-bottom party.
Walker is a huge get for the Cavaliers. Yes, they'll have to ask their own tough questions with Isaiah Thomas' free agency on tap. Do they keep him? Try moving him with Tristan Thompson for DeAndre Jordan? The legwork is worth it. Walker isn't as much as a defensive liability when going up against the Warriors, and he's a dangerous enough spot-up shooter to work beside James.
Batum isn't worth near-max money to Charlotte. He might be to Cleveland. The outlook on his entire offensive game changes when he goes from second in command to a third or fourth option. And his cross-wing defense holds up against Golden State. A Batum-Jae Crowder-Playoff LeBron trio could wreak some serious havoc.
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Imo, Kemba is worth so much more to current contenders due to his contract. I'd imagine a team like the Spurs or Cavs would empty their treasure chest to become the #1 contenders without having to go deep into the luxury tax like the Warriors.
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Hornets in: Markelle Fultz + Amir Johnson
Sixers in: Kemba Walker + Jeremy Lamb
Sixers in: Kemba Walker + Jeremy Lamb

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mrknowitall215 wrote:Hornets in: Markelle Fultz + Amir Johnson
Sixers in: Kemba Walker + Jeremy Lamb
No way man. Adding Fultz would just put us on the treadmill again. We have to tank for a solid 2 years, so really would prefer 2019/2020 1sts. Trading for Fultz would be disaster.
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mrknowitall215 wrote:Hornets in: Markelle Fultz + Amir Johnson
Sixers in: Kemba Walker + Jeremy Lamb
