Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIV

[Dark Faze]

:o

How about John Wall + Marcin Gortat for Kemba Walker + Cody Zeller?

I'd do that deal in a heartbeat. Kemba is the same age as Wall, arguably just as good, and he costs just $12M a year. We swap Gortat for a much younger version. It solves our immediate luxtax problems and clears up some long term luxtax issues, all while retaining the pick.

The only problem is that we can't trade Wall until July 26th, which is after the luxtax calculation is worked out. So I guess it doesn't get us out of the luxtax this year, but it really does clear up a lot of long term problems for us.

For Charlotte, it gets them a "superstar" locked into a long term deal that will hopefully keep fans in the seats in a small market.

Kemba Walker, plus the $20+ million in extra money because of his cheaper contract, will do more to help our ball club than John Wall alone. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if Kemba is a better player than Wall from ages 30-33 because I think Wall is going to decline pretty quickly once he loses a step.



Kemba scores 2 more points on the same number of shots with 2 few turnovers a game.

The similarity in stats despite Wall being injured is not really a point in Kembas favor.

Also, you can't load up on contracts because Kemba is cheaper...he's gonna make 30 million a season with his next contract. You'll have Kemba for 1.5 years at this salary.

[Ruzious]

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I'm totally with nate on this one - I think it's a great idea assuming there's no poison pill provision that would prevent it. And because Kemba is a name player, it's something Wiz management could do without having a revolt from the extreme loyal Wall fanbase. Who doesn't like Kemba? And he happens to be a helluva player. And Cody'd be a real nice fit - as Dat pointed out a while back. I think Charlotte would jump at this trade.

Frankly, I think you underestimate "the extreme Wall fanbase".

They'd have a fit if this deal happened.

I know I would lol

It's about the money and the team. Because of money, there's almost zero chance this team is going to be any more than .500 in 2 years - and that's on the optimistic side. The caps aren't going up by anything substantial - while the salaries of the big 3 increase dramatically - and we're already into the lux tax.

Not to mention that statistically and every other way - Kemba's having a better year than John, and he's every bit as exciting to watch. The team has zero succession plan for replacing Gortat after next season. Cody would take care of that. After years of suckitude, we deserve more than a 46 win team that's soon to be headed downhill.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I just called local radio here in Honolulu. (ESPN 1420)

I think I would trade John Wall for Lonzo Ball, Brook Lopez, and a Lakers draft pick.

If the Wizards could get Nance that would be great.

If the Wizards could unload the contract of Gortat or Mahinmi that would be even better.



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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I'm totally with nate on this one - I think it's a great idea assuming there's no poison pill provision that would prevent it. And because Kemba is a name player, it's something Wiz management could do without having a revolt from the extreme loyal Wall fanbase. Who doesn't like Kemba? And he happens to be a helluva player. And Cody'd be a real nice fit - as Dat pointed out a while back. I think Charlotte would jump at this trade.

Frankly, I think you underestimate "the extreme Wall fanbase".

They'd have a fit if this deal happened.

I know I would lol

It's about the money and the team. Because of money, there's almost zero chance this team is going to be any more than .500 in 2 years - and that's on the optimistic side. The caps aren't going up by anything substantial - while the salaries of the big 3 increase dramatically - and we're already into the lux tax.

Not to mention that statistically and every other way - Kemba's having a better year than John, and he's every bit as exciting to watch. The team has zero succession plan for replacing Gortat after next season. Cody would take care of that. After years of suckitude, we deserve more than a 46 win team that's soon to be headed downhill.

I would definitely be down with a Kemba trade.

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[Shanghai Kid]

I'm totally with nate on this one - I think it's a great idea assuming there's no poison pill provision that would prevent it. And because Kemba is a name player, it's something Wiz management could do without having a revolt from the extreme loyal Wall fanbase. Who doesn't like Kemba? And he happens to be a helluva player. And Cody'd be a real nice fit - as Dat pointed out a while back. I think Charlotte would jump at this trade.

Frankly, I think you underestimate "the extreme Wall fanbase".

They'd have a fit if this deal happened.

I know I would lol

It's about the money and the team. Because of money, there's almost zero chance this team is going to be any more than .500 in 2 years - and that's on the optimistic side. The caps aren't going up by anything substantial - while the salaries of the big 3 increase dramatically - and we're already into the lux tax.

Not to mention that statistically and every other way - Kemba's having a better year than John, and he's every bit as exciting to watch. The team has zero succession plan for replacing Gortat after next season. Cody would take care of that. After years of suckitude, we deserve more than a 46 win team that's soon to be headed downhill.

On paper it may make sense, but despite how this board sees him, the city/fanbase sees Wall as the superstar/franchise player.

I'm not disagreeing with the trade making sense, but to think the fanbase would approve trading John Wall for Kemba Walker and that Kemba is just as exciting seems off.

[Ruzious]

I just called local radio here in Honolulu. (ESPN 1420)

I think I would trade John Wall for Lonzo Ball, Brook Lopez, and a Lakers draft pick.

If the Wizards could get Nance that would be great.

If the Wizards could unload the contract of Gortat or Mahinmi that would be even better.



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Gotta replace Lopez with Nance and try to add Hart. That's a better trade than the Walker idea, imo. Ball has played a LOT better than some give him credit for.

[80sballboy]

For those who get ESPN Insider, Bobby Marks broke down the Wiz trade idea. I probably can't share too much info on here since it's a pay site but I thought this quote was interesting.

As one league executive told ESPN, "Oubre Jr. and center Marcin Gortat are two players that consistently come up when we have personnel meetings."

As far as the fantasy Kemba trade people:

Wall, an All-Star fresh off signing a $169 million super-max extension, is not eligible to be traded until late July.

For keeping the first-round pick

As one NBA executive told ESPN, "What Washington needs to is take a look at how the Raptors built out their team. Yes, Wall and Beal are homegrown talent, but the Wizards do not have a stockpile of young players that have developed into a key part of the rotation and could start on any given night."

But sounds like no real shot at a decent trade and would have to trade Frazier and future seconds to get a middling guy. (O'Quinn?). The Tyreke Evans deal ain't going to happen because he's going to get at least $10 mill next season and the Wiz can only afford mid-level. Not worth the rental for a first-rounder.
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[80sballboy]

I just called local radio here in Honolulu. (ESPN 1420)

I think I would trade John Wall for Lonzo Ball, Brook Lopez, and a Lakers draft pick.

If the Wizards could get Nance that would be great.

If the Wizards could unload the contract of Gortat or Mahinmi that would be even better.



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Gotta replace Lopez with Nance and try to add Hart. That's a better trade than the Walker idea, imo. Ball has played a LOT better than some give him credit for.

Wall can't be dealt until July but let's see how this season pans out. I think you can get a very good deal with a bunch of young players for him. I'm not ready to trade him now but I'm also not against it if we can get a bunch of prospects and a young point guard.

[Dark Faze]

I've already addressed this--even without the burden of Walls contract, you have the same issue:

Good free agents don't come here.

So even if you get comparable talent to Wall and somehow end up with 20+ mill in cap space, you're just gonna be forced to use it on subpar talent.

The team HAS to improve quite frankly, through the draft at this point, or through trading assets to aquire talent.

I think Vucevic deserves some looking at. His passing skills and ability as a stretch 5 make him something of a mini-Horford. And given the surplus of big men, we might be able to extend him eventually at below market value. Is he really that much worse defensively than Gortat? I know Gortat is ranked decently in certain advanced stats, but it really doesn't match what I see on the court--which is a guy who can't switch onto guards or close out on stretch bigs.

[dcstanley]

I just called local radio here in Honolulu. (ESPN 1420)

I think I would trade John Wall for Lonzo Ball, Brook Lopez, and a Lakers draft pick.

If the Wizards could get Nance that would be great.

If the Wizards could unload the contract of Gortat or Mahinmi that would be even better.



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See, I would never consider this but I would the Kemba deal. Lonzo will likely never be as good as Wall or Kemba.

[nate33]

The similarity in stats despite Wall being injured is not really a point in Kembas favor.

Also, you can't load up on contracts because Kemba is cheaper...he's gonna make 30 million a season with his next contract. You'll have Kemba for 1.5 years at this salary.

Meh, it's not like Wall has played that much while hurt. He sat.

FWIW, Kemba's advanced stats were about even with Wall's last year too.

I'm not so sure Kemba will get a max contract in 2019. He'll be 29 then. And there won't be a ton of teams with cap room. I think a Bradley Beal sized contract in the $25M range will get it done.

[Dark Faze]

The similarity in stats despite Wall being injured is not really a point in Kembas favor.

Also, you can't load up on contracts because Kemba is cheaper...he's gonna make 30 million a season with his next contract. You'll have Kemba for 1.5 years at this salary.

Meh, it's not like Wall has played that much while hurt. He sat.

FWIW, Kemba's advanced stats were about even with Wall's last year too.

I'm not so sure Kemba will get a max contract in 2019. He'll be 29 then. And there won't be a ton of teams with cap room. I think a Bradley Beal sized contract in the $25M range will get it done.

Will we conveniently forget his career 5.4 APG? We're already complaining about a lack of ball movement.

[Error Afflalo]

Pass on a Wall-Kemba swap. I have no faith in the front office's ability to turn the money saved into useful parts.

[Dark Faze]

Pass on a Wall-Kemba swap. I have no faith in the front office's ability to turn the money saved into useful parts.

It's like people forgot we had multiple runs in the playoffs where it was beyond clear we were just one GOOD piece away from being a perennial ECF team (as long as we avoided the Cavs), and we literally had to go to plan Z because nobody wanted to play with us lol.

I'm sure people will line up to play with Lonzo, Brad, and Otto

[Ruzious]

Pass on a Wall-Kemba swap. I have no faith in the front office's ability to turn the money saved into useful parts.

It's like people forgot we had multiple runs in the playoffs where it was beyond clear we were just one GOOD piece away from being a perennial ECF team (as long as we avoided the Cavs), and we literally had to go to plan Z because nobody wanted to play with us lol.

I'm sure people will line up to play with Lonzo, Brad, and Otto

We had 1 year since the Gortat trade with cap space and will have zero years in the rest of the John Wall era with cap space, so we're done with big name free agency and will likely fail to keep an adequate team around our big 3 after next season.

[payitforward]

If the Wizards can figure out a sensible way to get Kenny Faried at C they should go for it.

He's a plus rebounder but he has been mailing it in for the last couple of seasons. I think they need an energy guy. Burritos and energy guy who still plays Above the Rim.

Yup, & I've only been calling for this all season -- not to mention last season!

Guess who the starting Center is on the Golden State Warriors?

Spoiler:

Jordan Bell! -- rookie, so-called undersized, non-shooting,
big time rebounder.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I just called local radio here in Honolulu. (ESPN 1420)

I think I would trade John Wall for Lonzo Ball, Brook Lopez, and a Lakers draft pick.

If the Wizards could get Nance that would be great.

If the Wizards could unload the contract of Gortat or Mahinmi that would be even better.



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See, I would never consider this but I would the Kemba deal. Lonzo will likely never be as good as Wall or Kemba.

Lonzo certainly wouldn't be the reason why I make the trade.

I'm looking at Trae Young in the draft.

There are a lot of really good players in this draft. Jaren Jackson and Moe Bamba are intriguing talents. They are the type of players I would be trying to acquire, not Lonzo Ball. That said I agree with Ruzious that Lonzo Ball is a lot better than people are giving him credit.

The thing is Lonzo would definitely give Porter the ball. Beal is going to get his shots. So is Oubre.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Pass on a Wall-Kemba swap. I have no faith in the front office's ability to turn the money saved into useful parts.

It's like people forgot we had multiple runs in the playoffs where it was beyond clear we were just one GOOD piece away from being a perennial ECF team (as long as we avoided the Cavs), and we literally had to go to plan Z because nobody wanted to play with us lol.

I'm sure people will line up to play with Lonzo, Brad, and Otto

This.

The more I think about it the more I like trading Wall to the Lakers. Paul George is going to be a Laker next year. This does nothing but help John's career.

Lonzo for the Wizards would probably be very effective.

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People are wayyyyyy too down on Beal, he’s averaging an efficient 23-4-4 for the 2nd year in a row, and he’s much improved defensively, actually pretty good. Also, him, Porter, Oubre, and Sato are the only guys that consistently play hard every night.

+1000

I say get as much as you can for Wall and build around Beal+Porter+Oubre. It'll never happen, though.

Me too. Especially if he brings 1 or 2 high R1 picks in the deal.

But, I don't exactly buy Nat's take on Beal either. He's off from last year, & that's not a good sign. Then again, so is Porter. & there's time for that to change.

The problem w/ John is simple: he is never going to be good enough to warrant the $40m+ he's going to be earning soon. Since the team as currently constructed isn't a title contender & that salary makes it extremely difficult to improve the team, the only solution is to cut the cord.

That's not a criticism of John Wall, btw.

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...overall, (Beal is) really having a great season again and playing at a superstar level...

This is completely untrue.

He didn't have a superstar season last year, let alone this year. & last season was "great," b/c it was the first time he started justifying his high draft position at all.

Beal's only 24, & he's good & can still get better. But, it's ridiculous to load him down w/ this excessive praise.