Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 5

[bwgood77]

Do you realize that players would rather play with Dwight and Kemba than Warren.

You have to realize NBA players are friends and have relationships. I would rather have Kemba Booker, Dwight recruiting players to come to Phoenix than Warren Booker. Thats just me though

Players want to play with Dwight? First time I've heard that.

Dwight is having a good year. Also, dwight as a person has a lot of friends in the NBA. A lot of all star fans.

If you think Warren has more recruiting pull than Dwight, I don't even know what to say.

I don't think either have any recruiting pull. I think Dwight probably has far more players who do not want to play with him. Whined and wanted out of Orlando...didn't fit in with the Lakers players, the Rockets players, and the Hawks players. If anything, I imagine he has a bad rep among players.

[Saberestar]

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[darealjuice]

We will make the playoffs if we get Kemba. I will sig bet that. I don't think many who stopped watching here get that Ulis is the worst point guard in the league. Going from that to a 22ppg 6 ast player is a serious, serious upgrade.

I'll take that bet all day. .500 ball might not even make the playoffs and we'd have to go 25-12 from now to get to that by season end, which we are not going to do with or without Kemba Walker.

[Saberestar]

Players want to play with Dwight? First time I've heard that.

Dwight is having a good year. Also, dwight as a person has a lot of friends in the NBA. A lot of all star fans.

If you think Warren has more recruiting pull than Dwight, I don't even know what to say.

I don't think either have any recruiting pull. I think Dwight probably has far more players who do not want to play with him. Whined and wanted out of Orlando...didn't fit in with the Lakers players, the Rockets players, and the Hawks players. If anything, I imagine he has a bad rep among players.

I agree completely.

[BobbieL]

We will make the playoffs if we get Kemba. I will sig bet that. I don't think many who stopped watching here get that Ulis is the worst point guard in the league. Going from that to a 22ppg 6 ast player is a serious, serious upgrade.

I'll take that bet all day. .500 ball might not even make the playoffs and we'd have to go 25-12 from now to get to that by season end, which we are not going to do with or without Kemba Walker.

Kemba would make team better - no denying that.

But if they trade for Walker - he will just make them a few games better and bump the ping pongs from 5-7 down to 8-10 - and that's a big deal. Plus, in a year, he is going to want to get paid.

The Suns are getting better - maybe make a deal at this deadline to set your cap up for the summer; see if there is a market for Chandler, Daniels, Monroe. Keep the picks and use those picks in the summer to move up if need be a spot or two to get the right guy.

[Revived]

THIS is what we’ve been waiting for. Screw the rookie PGs and screw drafting someone and hoping it’s not a bust and if it’s not a bust, then having to wait 4-5 years for him to actually be productive and develop.

Kemba is a star PG in his prime and only 27 years old.

Ryan McDonough...you’ve missed out on EVERY SINGLE star player you’ve tried to acquire or sign...please make yourself useful for once and bring Kemba to the Suns!

Everything except Booker/Warren/Jackson should be on the table.

Maybe include Jackson only if the deal is right.

Personally I think Ulis, Bender or Chriss, 2018 Miami pick and 2019 Suns pick (top 5 protected) should get it done.

[RaisingArizona]

THIS is what we’ve been waiting for. Screw the rookie PGs and screw drafting someone and hoping it’s not a bust and if it’s not a bust, then having to wait 4-5 years for him to actually be productive and develop.

Kemba is a star PG in his prime and only 27 years old.

Ryan McDonough...you’ve missed out on EVERY SINGLE star player you’ve tried to acquire or sign...please make yourself useful for once and bring Kemba to the Suns!

Everything except Booker/Warren/Jackson should be on the table.

Maybe include Jackson only if the deal is right.

Personally I think Ulis, Bender or Chriss, 2018 Miami pick and 2019 Suns pick (top 5 protected) should get it done.

The bolded font made me laugh haha. Crazy, right. We could actually have a team worth watching with this deal. Plus still have other picks (we have 5 this year) to restock the youth.

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This is such a pathetic outlook. Look at what the TWolves did with Jimmy Butler...

Butler is the same age as Kemba and they brought him in next to Towns (same age as Booker) and Wiggins (same age as Warren).

And guess what...TWolves are one of the brightest up and coming teams in the league and their already top 5 in the West!

The same can happen here. Suns need to stop thinking 27 years old is ancient.

[sunsbum]

This reminds me of the Harden talk a few years back. Many here said don't touch him, he doesn't play defense. Draft and stay the course... At some point, we need to pair Booker with a star. Stars are slim pickings. Have to pounce when the opportunity presents itself. I'd be 100% shocked if McD isn't in on this.

I'm not sure about Kemba. His shooting % are a little underwhelming, he's going to be looking for a huge pay raise at the end of next year. Is a fringe eastern all star worth a giant contract. Is he worth us winning 5 extra games and losing a high lottery spot + assets to get him?

Edit: I wrote this before I saw gambo tweet. No copycat

[sunsbum]

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This is such a pathetic outlook. Look at what the TWolves did with Jimmy Butler...

Butler is the same age as Kemba and they brought him in next to Towns (same age as Booker) and Wiggins (same age as Warren).

And guess what...TWolves are one of the brightest up and coming teams in the league and their already top 5 in the West!

The same can happen here. Suns need to stop thinking 27 years old is ancient.

Jimmy Butler is a much better player than Kemba walker and the wolves were further along in their "process" when they acquired him.

[BobbieL]

This reminds me of the Harden talk a few years back. Many here said don't touch him, he doesn't play defense. Draft and stay the course... At some point, we need to pair Booker with a star. Stars are slim pickings. Have to pounce when the opportunity presents itself. I'd be 100% shocked if McD isn't in on this.

I'm not sure about Kemba. His shooting % are a little underwhelming, he's going to be looking for a huge pay raise at the end of next year. Is a fringe eastern all star worth a giant contract. Is he worth us winning 5 extra games and losing a high lottery spot + assets to get him?

I know the Hornets want the pick now - but I would rather make this deal over the summer after the final ping pong balls for the 17/18 season are decided.

I know I have said earlier that I didn't want the team to tank - to play their best, try to win games. But when I look at the record and schedule - they would be very well positioned with a top 6 pick without having to tank. They will just lose games. Kemba coming in jacks that up. Monroe, the Heat pick, maybe the Milwaukee pick, other players - that's no problem - even for the 15 month rental. But having Kemba would jack with this summers draft pick

[bwgood77]

Also, about "Dwight playing well this year" he is having one of his worst year's since entering the league. His TS% is his lowest since entering the league.

His FG% this year is worse than Len's. Len shooting 55.2% and Howard 53.8%. Howard shot 63% last year and 62% the year before. His TS% is the worst in his career.

His OBPM is BY FAR the worse in his career and BPM is his 2nd worst (one of two times it was negative). His net rating his 0 for the first time ever.

And of course he can't hit free throws.

[n4th4n4]

This reminds me of the Harden talk a few years back. Many here said don't touch him, he doesn't play defense. Draft and stay the course... At some point, we need to pair Booker with a star. Stars are slim pickings. Have to pounce when the opportunity presents itself. I'd be 100% shocked if McD isn't in on this.

This is a terrible comparison. Harden was 22 when he was traded. Kemba is 5 years older than that now. And one year away from needing a massive extension which would kill our roster flexibility for the next half a decade.

[King4Day]

Phoenix Suns
Hornets get: Guard Tyler Ulis, forwards Dragan Bender and Jared Dudley, centers Greg Monroe and Alan Williams

Suns get: Guards Michael Carter-Williams, Julyan Stone and Kemba Walker, centers Dwight Howard and Johnny O'Bryant

Like Indiana, Phoenix could offer Charlotte major cap relief in the form of Monroe's $17.9 million expiring contract and a non-guarantee on Williams' 2018-19 salary. As compared to the Pacers, the Suns have more young talent to sweeten an offer. I've included 2016 No. 4 overall pick Dragan Bender here, but fellow 2016 lottery pick Marquese Chriss would fit too, or Phoenix could offer Miami's 2018 first-round pick.

While Walker and Devin Booker would make an outstanding backcourt, the question is how motivated the Suns would be to acquire a 28-year-old point guard not long after trading Eric Bledsoe to the Milwaukee Bucks.

http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/22153805/best-kemba-walker-trades-charlotte-hornets-nba-contenders

[sunsbum]

Phoenix Suns
Hornets get: Guard Tyler Ulis, forwards Dragan Bender and Jared Dudley, centers Greg Monroe and Alan Williams

Suns get: Guards Michael Carter-Williams, Julyan Stone and Kemba Walker, centers Dwight Howard and Johnny O'Bryant

Like Indiana, Phoenix could offer Charlotte major cap relief in the form of Monroe's $17.9 million expiring contract and a non-guarantee on Williams' 2018-19 salary. As compared to the Pacers, the Suns have more young talent to sweeten an offer. I've included 2016 No. 4 overall pick Dragan Bender here, but fellow 2016 lottery pick Marquese Chriss would fit too, or Phoenix could offer Miami's 2018 first-round pick.

While Walker and Devin Booker would make an outstanding backcourt, the question is how motivated the Suns would be to acquire a 28-year-old point guard not long after trading Eric Bledsoe to the Milwaukee Bucks.

http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/22153805/best-kemba-walker-trades-charlotte-hornets-nba-contenders

Yea...hard pass on that one.

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No way is Kemba worth our first rounder, look at the garbage we got for Bledsoe who is at the same level and contract situation as Kemba, no way Charlotte is getting a sweet deal especially when trying to dump salary. Lakers had to give up Russell just to dump Mozgov's contract in todays market.

Do I do Kemba for a trade around Monroe and the miami first this year? Yes, no guarantee wie get Trae young and even if we do if he will be any good. I would not give up Chriss or Bender for Kema though, we are already giving up a pick and theoretically taking on a bad contract.

[RaisingArizona]

This reminds me of the Harden talk a few years back. Many here said don't touch him, he doesn't play defense. Draft and stay the course... At some point, we need to pair Booker with a star. Stars are slim pickings. Have to pounce when the opportunity presents itself. I'd be 100% shocked if McD isn't in on this.

This is a terrible comparison. Harden was 22 when he was traded. Kemba is 5 years older than that now. And one year away from needing a massive extension which would kill our roster flexibility for the next half a decade.

Same concept. You have to pull the trigger when there's a chance because these opportunities are few and far between. Like how everyone thinks 27 is too old. ******* kidding me?

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This is such a pathetic outlook. Look at what the TWolves did with Jimmy Butler...

Butler is the same age as Kemba and they brought him in next to Towns (same age as Booker) and Wiggins (same age as Warren).

And guess what...TWolves are one of the brightest up and coming teams in the league and their already top 5 in the West!

The same can happen here. Suns need to stop thinking 27 years old is ancient.

Jimmy Butler is a much better player than Kemba walker and the wolves were further along in their "process" when they acquired him.

Sure, Butler is definitely a better player than Kemba but you have to start somewhere.

Kemba is still a massive upgrade over any PG on this roster and has team leadership qualities as well. I listened to him when he was mic’d up at the All star game last year and many other star players actually respect his game so he could recruit in the future as well/guys will want to come here and play with him and Booker.

I also think Kemba isn’t done developing as a player and will play better next to a talent like Booker.

As far as Minnesota being further along in their “process”...that’s only true because they accelerated their process.

The Suns have the chance to do the same thing. What’s the difference between Minnesota and Phoenix before Minnesota got Butler?

- Booker is our Towns (aka rising superstar)
- Warren is our Wiggins (capable second/third option)
- Chandler/Dudley is our Gibson/Teague (overpaid vets)

Only thing we’re missing is the proven coach like Thibs but even that, it would be easier for us to get a coach with a good pedigree once the roster looks attractive enough for a coach which is precisely what happened in Thibs case.

Our situations are similar, we just have to take advantage of this.

[Revived]

It's Kemba **** Walker, not prime James Harden. The Hornets without any major injuries and with Walker and Dwight playing in all of their games have 2 more wins than the Suns...

Also, in 5 months: The Phoenix Suns select Jaren Jackson Jr. and pass on Luka Doncic and Trae Young, because they invested so much in Kemba **** Walker (a 28 year old player who in 12 months will be an unrestricted free agent asking for $150m )

$150M is the going rate for star players. If their not gonna pony up the money for star players then might as well just keep drafting but remember, you have to pay the ones you draft too.

Booker for example is coming up for a max extension.

And 28 years old isn’t 48 **** years olds. He isn’t gonna lose his legs or something soon and become trash.

Oh and don’t even think about the draft. I’ll assure you that the Suns will get screwed in the lottery regardless just like they have every single season.

[darealjuice]

It's Kemba **** Walker, not prime James Harden. The Hornets without any major injuries and with Walker and Dwight playing in all of their games have 2 more wins than the Suns...

Also, in 5 months: The Phoenix Suns select Jaren Jackson Jr. and pass on Luka Doncic and Trae Young, because they invested so much in Kemba **** Walker (a 28 year old player who in 12 months will be an unrestricted free agent asking for $150m )

$150M is the going rate for star players. If their not gonna pony up the money for star players then might as well just keep drafting but remember, you have to pay the ones you draft too.

Booker for example is coming up for a max extension.

And 28 years old isn’t 48 **** years olds. He isn’t gonna lose his legs or something soon and become trash.

Oh and don’t even think about the draft. I’ll assure you that the Suns will get screwed in the lottery regardless just like they have every single season.

What if people's apprehension is that he's not really a star player lol? He's on the lower half of top 10 point guards, is that really a star player? Certainly not an all star in the West either.