Woj: CHA making Kemba available in trade talks

[bravor]

Except that you can't forecast how this team would perform with some minor adjustments.

Two years ago Wizards were way behind in play off run but managed to come back in second half of the season and showed they were relevant. Don't need to remind how this season started and how tough the schedule has been in november/december.

Selling low right now would be the worst way to fix the roster. Mismanagement is one thing. Plain stupidity another (talking about the organization). And i don't buy they really want to sell (at least Kemba & Cody, and since Cody was not mentioned..).

[Snidely FC]

Timing seems so weird with this. Played the 4th toughest schedule, just beat the Pistons on the road by double digits, crushed the Wizards, have an all star who loves it here and the teammates and fans love him.

What am I missing?

I can see wanting to rid yourself of bad contracts, but usually talents like him only get traded when they want out or might not re-sign.

You're right. Problem is Batum. He has the contract we needed to reserve for Kemba. Kemba has one more year on one of the best contracts in the league then he is a $30 M/year player. Can CHA afford to keep Kemba with the Batum noose?

[Snidely FC]

Im just wondering does anybody here believe that Batum is still a good player, and this is just kinda a fluke season? I mean even at his best i personally dont think he is worth anything close to that contract, but his stats this season have been really poor for someone playing 30+ minutes a game. What is his deal? I admit, havent watched any Hornets games this season, but have just been looking over the numbers and dont understand whats going on with him.

Batum is delicate. When he is not 100% his entire game is thrown off. An elbow injury kept him out at the beginning of the year and he may just be starting to round into form.

Also, Cody Zeller was integral to Batum's success here, and vice versa. Cody is fantastic at setting and quickly slipping screens. His choreography with Nic unlocked the entire offense. Despite mgmt selling the Dwight pickup this summer as Nic+Dwight = Turkoglu-Howard 2.0, Nic & Dwight have zero chemistry. Dwight screen & rolls happen at half the speed of Cody's.

Nic's best skillsets, schwacking the three & leading the screen & roll, lubricated the offense and helped spread the floor. His 3 pt shot has deserted him. That has hurt too. Minus the three point shot and impactful screen & rolls, Nic is a luxury.

All of the above excuses aside, he is getting paid max dollars. His forte is playing like an artist. He likes to orchestrate. The problem is his game is all finesse, and with the desultory season CHA is having we fans want to see guys fight. Especially ones getting paid max dollars.

A guy like Marvin Williams plays like a pros pro. He keeps working hard, and makes himself useful. Nic appears the opposite, disinterested, lassez-faire. With a $27 M player option in 2021 that is a HUGE problem for this team.

[Vickveto]

Bulls fan coming with a respectable offer what do you think?
Khris Dunn Robin Lopez Christiano Felicio
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Kemba walker Dwight Howard cha 1st 18 right to pick swap 19

[SeanBobcats]

Bulls fan coming with a respectable offer what do you think?
Khris Dunn Robin Lopez Christiano Felicio
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Kemba walker Dwight Howard cha 1st 18 right to pick swap 19

I like Kris Dunn but there's zero chance we'd give up picks in that deal. Plus I'm not sure if just Dunn on his own is enough for us to make a deal

[316Hornets]

Bulls fan coming with a respectable offer what do you think?
Khris Dunn Robin Lopez Christiano Felicio
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Kemba walker Dwight Howard cha 1st 18 right to pick swap 19

Why would Charlotte give a pick in this scenario? That wouldn't help us at all. I know people think we're just trying to clear cap, but Dwight's contract is an expiring next year, so that's not really an issue.

[catch20two]

We shouldn’t entertain any of these Kemba trades, not even the Knicks one. I haven’t seen a offer worthwhile yet.

Instead we should just swallow the pill of trading Batum attached to a lottery protected 1st rounder for a contract that’ll expire at least by the 2019 offseason where we’ll have to re-up Kemba and Lamb contracts.

Trading Batum in that manner now rather than next season give us the opportunity to see if Kemba or Lamb are even worth extending after a full season playing together. From there if the 2018-19 season don’t go well then we can let Kemba and Lamb walk while going into tank mode for the rebuild.

[Kerrsed]

We shouldn’t entertain any of these Kemba trades, not even the Knicks one. I haven’t seen a offer worthwhile yet.

Instead we should just swallow the pill of trading Batum attached to a lottery protected 1st rounder for a contract that’ll expire at least by the 2019 offseason where we’ll have to re-up Kemba and Lamb contracts.

Trading Batum in that manner now rather than next season give us the opportunity to see if Kemba or Lamb are even worth extending after a full season playing together. From there if the 2018-19 season don’t go well then we can let Kemba and Lamb walk while going into tank mode for the rebuild.

Thats a real tough pill to swallow....for the team that makes that deal.

Say you are getting a player back that has a matching salary, but that expires in the 2019 offseason, that means the team that is doing that deal is essentially paying $27M (Batums salary in his final year) for a NON-LOTTO 1st round pick. Im sorry, i just dont see any way that will happen.

[Vickveto]

Bulls fan coming with a respectable offer what do you think?
Khris Dunn Robin Lopez Christiano Felicio
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Kemba walker Dwight Howard cha 1st 18 right to pick swap 19

I like Kris Dunn but there's zero chance we'd give up picks in that deal. Plus I'm not sure if just Dunn on his own is enough for us to make a deal

You would have to give me a couple names because when I look around the league all of the young prospects that have been productive are untouchable. Dunn is probably one of the few under right conditions.

hris Dunn Robin Lopez Christiano Felicio 20 unprotected 2 2nds
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Kemba walker Dwight Howard cha 1st 18 right to pick swap 19

[316Hornets]

We shouldn’t entertain any of these Kemba trades, not even the Knicks one. I haven’t seen a offer worthwhile yet.

Instead we should just swallow the pill of trading Batum attached to a lottery protected 1st rounder for a contract that’ll expire at least by the 2019 offseason where we’ll have to re-up Kemba and Lamb contracts.

Trading Batum in that manner now rather than next season give us the opportunity to see if Kemba or Lamb are even worth extending after a full season playing together. From there if the 2018-19 season don’t go well then we can let Kemba and Lamb walk while going into tank mode for the rebuild.

Why do we have to trade anybody? I'm fine with sitting still and see if this team can work it out. I don't think we can judge too harshly on the 1st half of the season due to injuries, grieving time for MKG, Cliff issues, etc. On top of a brutal schedule

[Kerrsed]

Bulls fan coming with a respectable offer what do you think?
Khris Dunn Robin Lopez Christiano Felicio
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Kemba walker Dwight Howard cha 1st 18 right to pick swap 19

I like Kris Dunn but there's zero chance we'd give up picks in that deal. Plus I'm not sure if just Dunn on his own is enough for us to make a deal

You would have to give me a couple names because when I look around the league all of the young prospects that have been productive are untouchable. Dunn is probably one of the few under right conditions.

hris Dunn Robin Lopez Christiano Felicio 20 unprotected 2 2nds
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Kemba walker Dwight Howard cha 1st 18 right to pick swap 19

Thats a horrible offer. You are not getting the best player in the deal, along with a 1st round pick and a pick swap all on top of that. And the Hornets arnt even getting any kind of salary cap savings even with Howard going out, because you are forcing them to take on Lopez (2 year deal just like Howard) and Felicio (4 year deal). Both players way inferior to what Howard actually provides. Howards getting like $46M over the next two season, and you have them taking back roughly $46M over the next two seasons with Lopez/Felicio, and then two more seasons of Felicio (An extra $16M of salary).

Yeah, sorry man, that isnt going to happen and i hate to say it but its a borderline comical offer.

[Nuntius]

What are you looking to get for a Kemba+Batum package? Would you consider a Kemba+MKG package? What's a fair offer for you?

[Vickveto]

Bulls fan coming with a respectable offer what do you think?
Khris Dunn Robin Lopez Christiano Felicio
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Kemba walker Dwight Howard cha 1st 18 right to pick swap 19

Why would Charlotte give a pick in this scenario? That wouldn't help us at all. I know people think we're just trying to clear cap, but Dwight's contract is an expiring next year, so that's not really an issue.

I mean honestly no bias sthe only people on your team who I believe are on good 2nd contract as of the moment or Lamb Walker Howard to a lower extent? Who on your team is actually worth their 2nd contract? Besides who I just mentioned. Your team has a lot of bad contracts. And if you think you’re not going to have to give up pic swaps or first round picks to get off of them you’re very wrong

Dunn Robin Lopez Christiano Felicio 2020 unprotected 2 2nds
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Kemba walker Dwight Howard cha 1st 18 right to pick swap 19

[316Hornets]

I mean honestly no bias sthe only people on your team who I believe are on good 2nd contract as of the moment or Lamb Walker Howard to a lower extent? Who on your team is actually worth their 2nd contract? Besides who I just mentioned. Your team has a lot of bad contracts. And if you think you’re not going to have to give up pic swaps or first round picks to get off of them you’re very wrong

Dunn Robin Lopez Christiano Felicio 2020 unprotected 2 2nds
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Kemba walker Dwight Howard cha 1st 18 right to pick swap 19

Lol dude, are you just running your mouth without researching? Marv is having one of the best years of his career and is shooting 45% from 3. MKG is a bad contract, but not that bad. The only terrible contract we have is Batum and I think we can wait it out instead of dealing with vultures like yourself.

[amcoolio]

Bulls fan coming with a respectable offer what do you think?
Khris Dunn Robin Lopez Christiano Felicio
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Kemba walker Dwight Howard cha 1st 18 right to pick swap 19

Why would Charlotte give a pick in this scenario? That wouldn't help us at all. I know people think we're just trying to clear cap, but Dwight's contract is an expiring next year, so that's not really an issue.

I mean honestly no bias sthe only people on your team who I believe are on good 2nd contract as of the moment or Lamb Walker Howard to a lower extent? Who on your team is actually worth their 2nd contract? Besides who I just mentioned. Your team has a lot of bad contracts. And if you think you’re not going to have to give up pic swaps or first round picks to get off of them you’re very wrong

Dunn Robin Lopez Christiano Felicio 2020 unprotected 2 2nds
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Kemba walker Dwight Howard cha 1st 18 right to pick swap 19

Nope. Chicago would have to give '18 pick and the pick swap for me to consider that.

[Kerrsed]

Bulls fan coming with a respectable offer what do you think?
Khris Dunn Robin Lopez Christiano Felicio
For
Kemba walker Dwight Howard cha 1st 18 right to pick swap 19

Why would Charlotte give a pick in this scenario? That wouldn't help us at all. I know people think we're just trying to clear cap, but Dwight's contract is an expiring next year, so that's not really an issue.

I mean honestly no bias sthe only people on your team who I believe are on good 2nd contract as of the moment or Lamb Walker Howard to a lower extent? Who on your team is actually worth their 2nd contract? Besides who I just mentioned. Your team has a lot of bad contracts. And if you think you’re not going to have to give up pic swaps or first round picks to get off of them you’re very wrong

Dunn Robin Lopez Christiano Felicio 2020 unprotected 2 2nds
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Kemba walker Dwight Howard cha 1st 18 right to pick swap 19

Are you going to just keep copy/pasting the offer over and over again with every post you make? Is that supposed to change anybody mind? You are getting an ALL-STAR back in the trade.

What the Hornets should get in return from a Walker trade is:

1. A salary dump because i dont see them getting back a player of Kemba's talent. -----You offer doesnt include that.
2. A young player with Potential ------ Ok, you got Dunn in there.
3. A decent draft pick (1st round) ------ Nope, you are taking one away from them and also wanting a pick swap too.

Good grief man, take the hint, your offer is horrible!


Hornets Posters, sorry for arguing here on your forum, but im sorry, that offer is ass and it needs to be fought against at any point by anybody and i cant just sit by idly and watch trash like that get posted (over and over and over).

[Vickveto]

Lol dude, are you just running your mouth without researching? Marv is having one of the best years of his career and is shooting 45% from 3. MKG is a bad contract, but not that bad. The only terrible contract we have is Batum and I think we can wait it out instead of dealing with vultures like yourself.[/quote]
The way I evaluate good or better deals is if he was a FA this summer could he get the deal he got again. No he wouldn’t... go look at his defensive rankings and his rebound rankings and he has over 30 million left on his deal these are the facts there’s a lot more to playing basketball than three-point percentage.

[Vickveto]

Why would Charlotte give a pick in this scenario? That wouldn't help us at all. I know people think we're just trying to clear cap, but Dwight's contract is an expiring next year, so that's not really an issue.

I mean honestly no bias sthe only people on your team who I believe are on good 2nd contract as of the moment or Lamb Walker Howard to a lower extent? Who on your team is actually worth their 2nd contract? Besides who I just mentioned. Your team has a lot of bad contracts. And if you think you’re not going to have to give up pic swaps or first round picks to get off of them you’re very wrong

Dunn Robin Lopez Christiano Felicio 2020 unprotected 2 2nds
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Kemba walker Dwight Howard cha 1st 18 right to pick swap 19

Nope. Chicago would have to give '18 pick and the pick swap for me to consider that.

Why would Charlotte give a pick in this scenario? That wouldn't help us at all. I know people think we're just trying to clear cap, but Dwight's contract is an expiring next year, so that's not really an issue.

I mean honestly no bias sthe only people on your team who I believe are on good 2nd contract as of the moment or Lamb Walker Howard to a lower extent? Who on your team is actually worth their 2nd contract? Besides who I just mentioned. Your team has a lot of bad contracts. And if you think you’re not going to have to give up pic swaps or first round picks to get off of them you’re very wrong

Dunn Robin Lopez Christiano Felicio 2020 unprotected 2 2nds
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Kemba walker Dwight Howard cha 1st 18 right to pick swap 19

Are you going to just keep copy/pasting the offer over and over again with every post you make? Is that supposed to change anybody mind? You are getting an ALL-STAR back in the trade.

What the Pacers should get in return from a Walker trade is:

1. A salary dump because i dont see them getting back a player of Kemba's talent. -----You offer doesnt include that.
2. A young player with Potential ------ Ok, you got Dunn in there.
3. A decent draft pick (1st round) ------ Nope, you are taking one away from them and also wanting a pick swap too.

Good grief man, take the hint, your offer is horrible!


Pacer Posters, sorry for arguing here on your forum, but im sorry, that offer is ass and it needs to be fought against at any point by anybody and i cant just sit by idly and watch trash like that get posted (over and over and over).

I like Kris Dunn but there's zero chance we'd give up picks in that deal. Plus I'm not sure if just Dunn on his own is enough for us to make a deal

You would have to give me a couple names because when I look around the league all of the young prospects that have been productive are untouchable. Dunn is probably one of the few under right conditions.

hris Dunn Robin Lopez Christiano Felicio 20 unprotected 2 2nds
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Kemba walker Dwight Howard cha 1st 18 right to pick swap 19

Thats a horrible offer. You are not getting the best player in the deal, along with a 1st round pick and a pick swap all on top of that. And the Hornets arnt even getting any kind of salary cap savings even with Howard going out, because you are forcing them to take on Lopez (2 year deal just like Howard) and Felicio (4 year deal). Both players way inferior to what Howard actually provides. Howards getting like $46M over the next two season, and you have them taking back roughly $46M over the next two seasons with Lopez/Felicio, and then two more seasons of Felicio (An extra $16M of salary).

Yeah, sorry man, that isnt going to happen and i hate to say it but its a borderline comical offer.

First of all how was it the same offer when I enhanced it? If you have to lie to get your point across I really don’t want to debate with you I like walker and Howard but as any unbiased NBA fan who do you things going to be the better player next year they will say Dunn Dunn might be better this year depends how much you value defense Instead of insults how about a counter offer

[Kerrsed]

Some people dont know how to take a hint and just walk away.

[Vickveto]

hris Dunn Robin Lopez Christiano Felicio 18 unprotected 20 unprotected 2 2nds
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Kemba walker Dwight Howard cha 1st 18 right to pick swap 19

And maybe a nwaba holiday or Grant