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Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIV

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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIV 

Post#1781 » by Shoe » Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:36 pm

NatP4 wrote:Mahinmi+2018 1st for Nerlens Noel. Play him off the bench behind Gortat to hide some of his value, re sign him with the Mahinmi money and using the bird rights you acquire via trade. Simple stuff. He’s 23 years old. You’re capped out sure, but you just paired Noel with Wall Beal Oubre Porter for the next few years.


Why would the Mavs do that? The Lakers had to sacrifice DeAngelo Russell to get rid of Moszgov.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIV 

Post#1782 » by gambitx777 » Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:33 pm

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NatP4 wrote:Mahinmi+2018 1st for Nerlens Noel. Play him off the bench behind Gortat to hide some of his value, re sign him with the Mahinmi money and using the bird rights you acquire via trade. Simple stuff. He’s 23 years old. You’re capped out sure, but you just paired Noel with Wall Beal Oubre Porter for the next few years.


Why would the Mavs do that? The Lakers had to sacrifice DeAngelo Russell to get rid of Moszgov.

#1 you're talking apples and oreos here, two different situations.
#2 Mozgov and mahinmi are pretty different players and if healthy Mahinmi is far more valuable and better of a player than Mozgov at this point in time
#3 that was a different landscape back then.
#4 the did not sacrifice russell, they dumped him. He was an albatross in that locker room, he needed to go and they wanted him got, he just so happened to also be a talented young player so he had value. It worked out but they wanted rid of him almost as bad as they wanted to dump mozgov.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIV 

Post#1783 » by daSwami » Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:38 pm

I'm hoping EG stands pat, not because I think this team can contend this year with its current roster, but more because I feel like any hope for near-future success lay in the draft. People rightfully love to hate on EG's GM skills, but if you can forgive the Jan Vesely disaster, he's drafted us a decent core in Wall, Beal, Otto, Oubre and Sato. At this point, I think the smartest play is to hold onto all draft picks, take a few chances on some "high-upside" type late-round picks (ala, Whiteside, D. Jordan, Gobert ...) and pray.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIV 

Post#1784 » by pcbothwel » Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:57 pm

NatP4 wrote:We got Satoransky that offseason

And why do you keep acting like we have to avoid the luxury tax? They have said over and over that they would pay it. We aren’t trading our pick to just dump a contract. Step back off the cliff


Nat, you're missing the point. There is no viable way to NOT pay the Tax once Wall's extension kicks in. So if we pay it for this year and next, then we have to re-sign Oubre, Sato, and walls extension all while being in the REPEATER Tax. There is simply no way in hell that Ted will pay that repeater tax.

Do you now understand why it is so important to get under this year and next?

NatP4 wrote:Mahinmi+2018 1st for Nerlens Noel. Play him off the bench behind Gortat to hide some of his value, re sign him with the Mahinmi money and using the bird rights you acquire via trade. Simple stuff. He’s 23 years old. You’re capped out sure, but you just paired Noel with Wall Beal Oubre Porter for the next few years.


Also incorrect. Any team that trades for Noel LOSES his bird rights. Only the Mavs have it because he signed the QO.
That said, I wouldnt give him more than MLE any way... so I would be for this trade as we dump serious money.

One trade without our pick could be shipping out Morris and Meeks/Frazier while taking in Noel.
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Post#1785 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:44 pm

nate33 wrote:Man, I've scoured the contracts all morning, but I can't find any cap-saving deal that makes any sense for both teams, other than simply attaching a pick to Jason Smith and sending him to an under-the-cap team.

Nobody needs a center, and the only teams with Trade Exceptions are already pushing the luxtax and aren't looking to add players.

I really hope that Ted signed off on paying the luxury tax when he agreed to acquire Mahinmi and extend Wall. Otherwise, I fear we're going to trade a 1st round pick to dump Smith, and then end up trading another 1st round pick a year or two down the road to dump Mahinmi's final year. Mahinmi is a dinosaur in this league. You are better off just going small and playing a PF in his place. Nobody wants him.

Words can't express what a disaster the Summer 2016 offseason was. It has already cost us a 1st round pick and will certainly cost us at least one more, all while wasting about $90M and getting us NOTHING USEFUL WHATSOEVER in on-the-court talent.
Allow me to express it in words.

During summer, 2016, Ernie Grunfeld showed his ineptitude. He placed the Washington Wizards into a precarious salary situation. Grunfeld (yet again) mortgaged the Wizards' future, in order for him to keep his job. Contracts Ernie tendered to two backup centers will trigger Wizards' luxury tax penalties. When John Wall's super-max contract goes into effect; Washington will in all likelihood be forced to attach young talent and/or a draft pick just to get rid of Mr. Grunfeld's previous mistakes.

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Post#1786 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:45 pm

NatP4 wrote:We got Satoransky that offseason

And why do you keep acting like we have to avoid the luxury tax? They have said over and over that they would pay it. We aren’t trading our pick to just dump a contract. Step back off the cliff
I don't know. Historically, Ernie has traded away picks.

I am not on the ledge. I predict EG will do an ass covering move.
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Post#1787 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:46 pm

NatP4 wrote:Mahinmi+2018 1st for Nerlens Noel. Play him off the bench behind Gortat to hide some of his value, re sign him with the Mahinmi money and using the bird rights you acquire via trade. Simple stuff. He’s 23 years old. You’re capped out sure, but you just paired Noel with Wall Beal Oubre Porter for the next few years.
No. Keep this draft pick and get someone better than Noel.
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Post#1788 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:48 pm

daSwami wrote:I'm hoping EG stands pat, not because I think this team can contend this year with its current roster, but more because I feel like any hope for near-future success lay in the draft. People rightfully love to hate on EG's GM skills, but if you can forgive the Jan Vesely disaster, he's drafted us a decent core in Wall, Beal, Otto, Oubre and Sato. At this point, I think the smartest play is to hold onto all draft picks, take a few chances on some "high-upside" type late-round picks (ala, Whiteside, D. Jordan, Gobert ...) and pray.
The Vesely draft was unforgiveable.

What he did with Mahinmi and Jason Smith behind Gortat is the current snafu.

I agree with you, daSwami. Let's hope EG stands pat. I just don't think he will. :noway:
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIV 

Post#1789 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:51 pm

Since my last few posts were so negative I need to think of what I'm going to put in the positivity thread.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIV 

Post#1790 » by nate33 » Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:03 pm

NatP4 wrote:Mahinmi+2018 1st for Nerlens Noel. Play him off the bench behind Gortat to hide some of his value, re sign him with the Mahinmi money and using the bird rights you acquire via trade. Simple stuff. He’s 23 years old. You’re capped out sure, but you just paired Noel with Wall Beal Oubre Porter for the next few years.

If that's all it took to dump Mahinmi's contract, I'd be all over it. I don't see why Dallas would agree to it though.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIV 

Post#1791 » by Dark Faze » Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:36 pm

Watching OKC and...kieff and Gortat would actually be a good fit.

Presti is too good at the draft to give us a pick though
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIV 

Post#1792 » by FAH1223 » Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:42 pm

A+ trolling here by Sharp (who's a Wiz fan)

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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIV 

Post#1793 » by Kanyewest » Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:29 am

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NatP4 wrote:Mahinmi+2018 1st for Nerlens Noel. Play him off the bench behind Gortat to hide some of his value, re sign him with the Mahinmi money and using the bird rights you acquire via trade. Simple stuff. He’s 23 years old. You’re capped out sure, but you just paired Noel with Wall Beal Oubre Porter for the next few years.


Why would the Mavs do that? The Lakers had to sacrifice DeAngelo Russell to get rid of Moszgov.


The Nets also sent back Brook Lopez (expiring) and a late first round pick (Kuzma).

Maybe the Mavs have some sentimental value towards Ian Mahinmi since he was on their 2011 Championship roster. But yeah, I'm not sure why the Mavs would do that trade.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIV 

Post#1794 » by 80sballboy » Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:10 am

Mahinmi is going to retire a Wizard. :D I don't think there's a dumb enough team to take that contract unless you give up a bunch of draft picks and/or take on somebody else's bad contract.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIV 

Post#1795 » by Wizardspride » Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:29 am

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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIV 

Post#1796 » by NatP4 » Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:35 am

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Well that would be a nice Meeks replacement
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIV 

Post#1797 » by dangermouse » Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:36 am

Dark Faze wrote:Watching OKC and...kieff and Gortat would actually be a good fit.

Presti is too good at the draft to give us a pick though


If only they still had Kanter... What do they really have to offer us? I'd love to move both of those players but looking at their roster I dont think theres anything there.

Morris for Patterson + Collison (and a small incentive... they got any 2nds? doubt they give a first). I think its addition by subtraction for us. We'd cut Collison and see what Psquared has to offer as a bench guy. He's played with Meeks and Wall. Just had knee surgery so i doubt he has much left.
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NatP4 wrote:but why would the pacers want Mahinmi's contract


Well, in fairness, we took Mike Pence off their hands. Taking back Mahinmi is the least they can do.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIV 

Post#1798 » by dangermouse » Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:44 am

NatP4 wrote:
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Well that would be a nice Meeks replacement


Hood/Johnson for Gortat?

I'd rather get Favors. And then make moves to clear some space so he could be re-signed, even if it takes our 1st. He'd be the perfect C on this team and I dont think he would be super expensive to re-sign.
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NatP4 wrote:but why would the pacers want Mahinmi's contract


Well, in fairness, we took Mike Pence off their hands. Taking back Mahinmi is the least they can do.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIV 

Post#1799 » by NatP4 » Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:56 am

dangermouse wrote:
NatP4 wrote:
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Well that would be a nice Meeks replacement


Hood/Johnson for Gortat?

I'd rather get Favors. And then make moves to clear some space so he could be re-signed, even if it takes our 1st. He'd be the perfect C on this team and I dont think he would be super expensive to re-sign.


But can Favors defend in space? Nowadays it isn’t just about protecting the paint, you gotta be able to switch and guard the perimeter also. Remember Gortat and Mahinmi getting torched in the playoffs because we kept switching them onto IT?

We need to find a “switch all” center that can rebound. I just have a gut feeling that Nerlens Noel can be that guy.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIV 

Post#1800 » by Dat2U » Sun Jan 21, 2018 4:30 am

The guy i want gone even more than Mahinmi is Markieff. I just don't think Mahinmi is movable anyways. Markieff is --- and likely we would not need to attach a first. His equally mediocre brother netted Avery Bradley in a trade. Kieff has a little more baggage but a little more talent as well. It only takes one front office to see value in him and i believe one is out there.

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