Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIV

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What is off from last year to this year? He’s almost the same player.

...His TS is only slightly down with everything else up across the board. Forget the superstar word, ...All I’m saying is that he’s having a similar year to last season, which is good.

Ok, nothing to argue about here. It all turns on what you mean by "slightly" & "similar."

Brad's TS% is down from 60.4% last year to 56.2% this year. In my book, that's not "slightly down" it's significantly down. But, it's true that it's significantly down from a truly outstanding %, & that it's still above average for a wing (53.8%). &, yes, overall the rest of his numbers are up from last year, somewhat mitigating the effect of the drop in his scoring numbers.

IOW, he's a well above average NBA SG overall this year. & he's been very durable as well.

The problem is he's paid as if he really were one of the top SGs in the league -- not just one of the top points-per-game SGs but top overall. The other problem is that at his age it was hoped that he'd make a significant move UP this season -- to get into that top group overall. & that hasn't happened, which is worrying in respect of his upside, his ceiling, as a player.

If he improves the rest of this season & next year, fine. If not... it's just one more ratchet down on what this generation of the Wizards can achieve.

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The guy i want gone even more than Mahinmi is Markieff. I just don't think Mahinmi is movable anyways. Markieff is --- and likely we would not need to attach a first. His equally mediocre brother netted Avery Bradley in a trade. Kieff has a little more baggage but a little more talent as well. It only takes one front office to see value in him and i believe one is out there.

Agree -- & the trade should be Markieff for the highest, soonest draft pick he brings. As I've already posted I'd be thrilled w/ a mid-R2 pick for him.

Unfortunately, since we gave a lottery pick to acquire him, this is not the kind of deal Ernie would be willing to do -- he never exposes his mistakes for viewing.

As well, we really can't trade anyone for a player w/ equivalent salary; we need to get under the tax. That too makes trading Kieff a bit harder.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Check the TS% and PER of John Wall.

Recall the trepidation expressed before JW was signed to a super max contract.

The Wizards need to monitor his impact all season. The trade to make is perhaps the one least discussed.

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[Shanghai Kid]

Check the TS% and PER of John Wall.

Recall the trepidation expressed before JW was signed to a super max contract.

The Wizards need to monitor his impact all season. The trade to make is perhaps the one least discussed.

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Wall can't be traded until July, he'll be 28 then coming off a season where he possibly didn't make the all-star team or an all-nba team. He'll be owed 5 years and around 188 million.

I literally can't imagine a scenario of any team trading for a 28 year old Wall at that price tag coming off this season.

I think trading Wall is a pipedream.

[Dat2U]

Check the TS% and PER of John Wall.

Recall the trepidation expressed before JW was signed to a super max contract.

The Wizards need to monitor his impact all season. The trade to make is perhaps the one least discussed.

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He's playing better this month but on the ESPN broadcast they said he had admitted he wasn't 100% yet. I strongly believe his numbers will look better by season's end.

[nate33]

The guy i want gone even more than Mahinmi is Markieff. I just don't think Mahinmi is movable anyways. Markieff is --- and likely we would not need to attach a first. His equally mediocre brother netted Avery Bradley in a trade. Kieff has a little more baggage but a little more talent as well. It only takes one front office to see value in him and i believe one is out there.

I don't want him gone more than Mahinmi because Morris is far more useful than Mahinmi, but I completely agree with your premise. Morris could conceivably be offloaded without including a pick. Mahinmi can't. Therefore, we're better off dumping Morris.

The problem is that there are no trade exceptions out there big enough for Morris, except those belonging to teams who are already at or above the luxtax threshold. Therefore, the only teams we could give Morris to while saving money instantly are the under-the-cap teams: Sacramento, Indiana, Phoenix, Dallas and Chicago. The only one of that group who would conceivably be shopping for a veteran PF is Indiana.

[nate33]

Check the TS% and PER of John Wall.

Recall the trepidation expressed before JW was signed to a super max contract.

The Wizards need to monitor his impact all season. The trade to make is perhaps the one least discussed.

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Wall can't be traded until July, he'll be 28 then coming off a season where he possibly didn't make the all-star team or an all-nba team. He'll be owed 5 years and around 188 million.

I literally can't imagine a scenario of any team trading for a 28 year old Wall at that price tag coming off this season.

I think trading Wall is a pipedream.

The one scenario where he would be tradeable is if he has a very productive playoffs. His missing the All Star game would be forgiven because of his early-season injury woes.

Of course, if he played well during the playoffs, the team would be far less likely to want to trade him. The concept of selling high never, ever, occurs to Grunfeld.

[Shanghai Kid]

Check the TS% and PER of John Wall.

Recall the trepidation expressed before JW was signed to a super max contract.

The Wizards need to monitor his impact all season. The trade to make is perhaps the one least discussed.

Sent from my [device_name] using [url]RealGM mobile app[/url]

Wall can't be traded until July, he'll be 28 then coming off a season where he possibly didn't make the all-star team or an all-nba team. He'll be owed 5 years and around 188 million.

I literally can't imagine a scenario of any team trading for a 28 year old Wall at that price tag coming off this season.

I think trading Wall is a pipedream.

The one scenario where he would be tradeable is if he has a very productive playoffs. His missing the All Star game would be forgiven because of his early-season injury woes.

Of course, if he played well during the playoffs, the team would be far less likely to want to trade him. The concept of selling high never, ever, occurs to Grunfeld.

Yeah kind of a catch-22. It's just hard to see the situation matching up where he gets traded.

I will be bold (not really) and say Beal or Porter will be gone after Wall.

[Shanghai Kid]

One positive thing is that Wall is showing signs of becoming a serviceable 3-point shooter. That is a key to his longevity.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Check the TS% and PER of John Wall.

Recall the trepidation expressed before JW was signed to a super max contract.

The Wizards need to monitor his impact all season. The trade to make is perhaps the one least discussed.

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He's playing better this month but on the ESPN broadcast they said he had admitted he wasn't 100% yet. I strongly believe his numbers will look better by season's end.

I hope so.

Ability is not in question. The question is if John Wall can be healthy enough to sustain the level of excellence necessary to justify his salary.

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[Wizardspride]

One positive thing is that Wall is showing signs of becoming a serviceable 3-point shooter. That is a key to his longevity.

Much like Jason Kidd.

[Dat2U]

Wall can't be traded until July, he'll be 28 then coming off a season where he possibly didn't make the all-star team or an all-nba team. He'll be owed 5 years and around 188 million.

I literally can't imagine a scenario of any team trading for a 28 year old Wall at that price tag coming off this season.

I think trading Wall is a pipedream.

The one scenario where he would be tradeable is if he has a very productive playoffs. His missing the All Star game would be forgiven because of his early-season injury woes.

Of course, if he played well during the playoffs, the team would be far less likely to want to trade him. The concept of selling high never, ever, occurs to Grunfeld.

Yeah kind of a catch-22. It's just hard to see the situation matching up where he gets traded.

I will be bold (not really) and say Beal or Porter will be gone after Wall.

Wall, Beal, Oubre & Porter is literally the perfect modern day lineup 1-4 in todays in NBA. This lineup is +20.4 per 100 possessions regardless of who's playing center. They are literally running teams off the court when Morris is not in the lineup.

And some of us can wait to see it blown up.

[Shanghai Kid]

The one scenario where he would be tradeable is if he has a very productive playoffs. His missing the All Star game would be forgiven because of his early-season injury woes.

Of course, if he played well during the playoffs, the team would be far less likely to want to trade him. The concept of selling high never, ever, occurs to Grunfeld.

Yeah kind of a catch-22. It's just hard to see the situation matching up where he gets traded.

I will be bold (not really) and say Beal or Porter will be gone after Wall.

Wall, Beal, Oubre & Porter is literally the perfect modern day lineup 1-4 in todays in NBA. This lineup is +20.4 per 100 possessions regardless of who's playing center. They are literally running teams off the court when Morris is not in the lineup.

And some of us can wait to see it blown up.

Very good point. That line-up is basically our chance at being elite.

[dangermouse]

The one scenario where he would be tradeable is if he has a very productive playoffs. His missing the All Star game would be forgiven because of his early-season injury woes.

Of course, if he played well during the playoffs, the team would be far less likely to want to trade him. The concept of selling high never, ever, occurs to Grunfeld.

Yeah kind of a catch-22. It's just hard to see the situation matching up where he gets traded.

I will be bold (not really) and say Beal or Porter will be gone after Wall.

Wall, Beal, Oubre & Porter is literally the perfect modern day lineup 1-4 in todays in NBA. This lineup is +20.4 per 100 possessions regardless of who's playing center. They are literally running teams off the court when Morris is not in the lineup.

And some of us can wait to see it blown up.

DOes Morris have compromising photos of Brooks or something?

I'm probably being a bit harsh, but its obviously an effective lineup and Oubre has played very well. It could be as simple as Otto not being down to bang at PF while nursing injuries.

[Shanghai Kid]

Yeah kind of a catch-22. It's just hard to see the situation matching up where he gets traded.

I will be bold (not really) and say Beal or Porter will be gone after Wall.

Wall, Beal, Oubre & Porter is literally the perfect modern day lineup 1-4 in todays in NBA. This lineup is +20.4 per 100 possessions regardless of who's playing center. They are literally running teams off the court when Morris is not in the lineup.

And some of us can wait to see it blown up.

DOes Morris have compromising photos of Brooks or something?

I'm probably being a bit harsh, but its obviously an effective lineup and Oubre has played very well. It could be as simple as Otto not being down to bang at PF while nursing injuries.

It is puzzling.

[Chi town]

Thoughts about... Niko Holiday Felicio for Oubre Mahinmi Smith?

[NatP4]

Check the TS% and PER of John Wall.

Recall the trepidation expressed before JW was signed to a super max contract.

The Wizards need to monitor his impact all season. The trade to make is perhaps the one least discussed.

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He's playing better this month but on the ESPN broadcast they said he had admitted he wasn't 100% yet. I strongly believe his numbers will look better by season's end.

Wall would be having a significantly better season if we would just spread the floor for him and get Morris far far away from the guy.

alot of our issues could be fixed internally, for example, play more small ball, Porter and Oubre share the court as much as possible? well that means we need more wing depth behind them......so play Satoransky more, because he's an excellent player and is only playing 12 minutes per game which is pathetic. If brooks just played all of Wall Beal Satoransky Oubre and Porter starters minutes, this team would be instantly better.

[NatP4]

Thoughts about... Niko Holiday Felicio for Oubre Mahinmi Smith?

Nah, we don't have a need for any of those 3 players coming back and Oubre is one of the best up and coming young wing players in the NBA.

[NatP4]

would you guys do this?

Det gets: Wiz 2018 1st, 2020 1st, Ian Mahinmi, Jason Smith

WAS gets: Andre Drummond, DET 2018 2nd

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Wall, Beal, Oubre & Porter is literally the perfect modern day lineup 1-4 in todays in NBA. This lineup is +20.4 per 100 possessions regardless of who's playing center. They are literally running teams off the court when Morris is not in the lineup.

And some of us can wait to see it blown up.

No question about it: only 1 problem -- there's no way those 4 guys can stay together on the Wizards.

Season after next 3 of those guys will combine for $92m. The 4th, Oubre, assuming he continues to develop, will command something close to a max salary -- lets just say it's $18m, though it might well be more.

That makes $110m for 4 players. That group blows itself up; no help required. Especially if Mahinmi is still around, whereupon it's $126m for 5 players.

Moreover, if Mahinmi is not around it's likely that at least one draft pick (cheap talent) is gone along w/ him.