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Re: Woj: CHA making Kemba available in trade talks 

Post#221 » by catch20two » Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:52 pm

I wouldn’t be surprised if Kemba’s agent requested for the Hornets to start exploring trade destinations for him behind the scenes. Not saying that Kemba wants to be traded but smart money understand that it’s best to keep their options open.
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Re: Woj: CHA making Kemba available in trade talks 

Post#222 » by Vanderbilt_Grad » Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:16 pm

catch20two wrote:I wouldn’t be surprised if Kemba’s agent requested for the Hornets to start exploring trade destinations for him behind the scenes. Not saying that Kemba wants to be traded but smart money understand that it’s best to keep their options open.

I had similar suspicions before seeing his interview. Kemba's just way too real there for this to have come from him.
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Re: Woj: CHA making Kemba available in trade talks 

Post#223 » by catch20two » Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:22 pm

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catch20two wrote:I wouldn’t be surprised if Kemba’s agent requested for the Hornets to start exploring trade destinations for him behind the scenes. Not saying that Kemba wants to be traded but smart money understand that it’s best to keep their options open.

I had similar suspicions before seeing his interview. Kemba's just way too real there for this to have come from him.

Not him. But his agent. I doubt they threw this out to the public before running it by Kemba first. I didn’t want to get laid off my last job but my agent (God) had better plans for me that I didn’t even foresee lol.
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Re: Woj: CHA making Kemba available in trade talks 

Post#224 » by Vanderbilt_Grad » Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:28 pm

Kemba does not look happy at all that this is a public discussion, and appears more than honest about not wanting to be traded. Guys like him don't build houses in places they don't expect to be in long term. They might buy one, but not build it.

If his agent put this out there to create something, then I can't imagine that Kemba would approve.
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Re: Woj: CHA making Kemba available in trade talks 

Post#225 » by catch20two » Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:36 pm

Vanderbilt_Grad wrote:Kemba does not look happy at all that this is a public discussion, and appears more than honest about not wanting to be traded. Guys like him don't build houses in places they don't expect to be in long term. They might buy one, but not build it.

If his agent put this out there to create something, then I can't imagine that Kemba would approve.

Going into this season around October I don’t think anyone considered trading Kemba. But then reality started creeping in the more we loss that it wouldn’t be in our best interest to keep him here throughout losing efforts for multiple reasons.

One being that we can’t tank hard enough with Kemba on the team, two being that we don’t want to go deep into luxury tax paying Kemba on a losing team, three being that we’re scared to lose Kemba in free agency without getting any assets in return, and four among others is that he’s the only real tradable asset on the team other than maybe Lamb lol.

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Re: Woj: CHA making Kemba available in trade talks 

Post#226 » by bravor » Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:03 am

The most important is where this team stands in two years. Flexibility will be back by then.

Above all, next offseason will throw up another wave of huge/bad contracts considering who will be FA. Hence the value of the future expiring this teams will have during next offseasons.
Hiting the panic button would just jeopardize the short and the middle term while the window is still open to be competitive with a roster led by Kemba.

That's like stock market. You don't lose anything until you sell.
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Post#227 » by HoopsMalone » Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:04 am

Trading Kemba just to get rid of him doesnt make any sense. We absolutely have to get young prospects or great picks.

Otherwise I'd much rather compete for the playoffs the next 1.5 years.

Now if someone wants to wave a top 5 pick or an OG anunoby type prospect im all for it. But otherwise it seems pointless to get rid of him when we're locked into multiple long term deals.


I say let's just play it out. Either we turn it around and compete. Or we dont. Its a heck of a lot better than watching us win 20 games, have no cap room, and hardly any assets.
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Re: Woj: CHA making Kemba available in trade talks 

Post#228 » by Robot Rock » Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:34 am

HoopsMalone wrote:Trading Kemba just to get rid of him doesnt make any sense. We absolutely have to get young prospects or great picks.

Otherwise I'd much rather compete for the playoffs the next 1.5 years.

Now if someone wants to wave a top 5 pick or an OG anunoby type prospect im all for it. But otherwise it seems pointless to get rid of him when we're locked into multiple long term deals.


I say let's just play it out. Either we turn it around and compete. Or we dont. Its a heck of a lot better than watching us win 20 games, have no cap room, and hardly any assets.


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Re: Woj: CHA making Kemba available in trade talks 

Post#229 » by NYG » Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:16 am

I’m not a Pacers fan, but does Domanatas Sabonis and Darren Collison for Kemba even get a call-back from Charlotte? I just think the Pacers would be the kind of team to go for Kemba, but they don’t have much to work with when I looked over their team.
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Re: Woj: CHA making Kemba available in trade talks 

Post#230 » by TheKingofSting » Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:40 am

HoopsMalone wrote:Trading Kemba just to get rid of him doesnt make any sense.. We absolutely have to get young prospects or great picks.

Otherwise I'd much rather compete for the playoffs the next 1.5 years.

Now if someone wants to wave a top 5 pick or an OG anunoby type prospect im all for it. But otherwise it seems pointless to get rid of him when we're locked into multiple long term deals.


I say let's just play it out. Either we turn it around and compete. Or we dont. Its a heck of a lot better than watching us win 20 games, have no cap room, and hardly any assets.


You rarely get All-Stars that want to play in a small market let alone stay there. Kemba bleeds Charlotte colors whether it be Hornets or originally Bobcats! It just makes no sense on any level to trade him.



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Re: Woj: CHA making Kemba available in trade talks 

Post#231 » by HornetJail » Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:37 am

NYG wrote:I’m not a Pacers fan, but does Domanatas Sabonis and Darren Collison for Kemba even get a call-back from Charlotte? I just think the Pacers would be the kind of team to go for Kemba, but they don’t have much to work with when I looked over their team.

no lol of course it doesn't.
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Re: Woj: CHA making Kemba available in trade talks 

Post#232 » by JDR720 » Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:52 am

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Re: Woj: CHA making Kemba available in trade talks 

Post#233 » by sunsbum » Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:40 pm

Don't you guys think your best bet would be to trade Kemba straight up without any other contracts for picks/young talent then turn around and trade Dwight for the same? If you try to attach contracts you're not going to get anything of value back on the Kemba trade. Your rebuild is going to take 4+ years so batums contract won't really have an affect and he's not someone thats going to win you games by himself...a frenchie tank commander if you will. You'll be right up there for Zion Williams next year with a few extra picks in tow if you do this right.
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Re: Woj: CHA making Kemba available in trade talks 

Post#234 » by HornetJail » Sun Jan 21, 2018 4:43 pm

sunsbum wrote:Don't you guys think your best bet would be to trade Kemba straight up without any other contracts for picks/young talent then turn around and trade Dwight for the same? If you try to attach contracts you're not going to get anything of value back on the Kemba trade. Your rebuild is going to take 4+ years so batums contract won't really have an affect and he's not someone thats going to win you games by himself...a frenchie tank commander if you will. You'll be right up there for Zion Williams next year with a few extra picks in tow if you do this right.

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It's been rare around here lately.

Yeah it's completely stupid to dilute Kemba's trade value by attaching unwanted contracts. Most of our contracts (short of Batum's) expire in less than 18 months.
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Post#235 » by stinger14 » Sun Jan 21, 2018 5:19 pm

sunsbum wrote:Don't you guys think your best bet would be to trade Kemba straight up without any other contracts for picks/young talent then turn around and trade Dwight for the same? If you try to attach contracts you're not going to get anything of value back on the Kemba trade. Your rebuild is going to take 4+ years so batums contract won't really have an affect and he's not someone thats going to win you games by himself...a frenchie tank commander if you will. You'll be right up there for Zion Williams next year with a few extra picks in tow if you do this right.


Exactly right!!! Without Kemba we could end with a top 5 pick this year, which would be golden. Then if we can land another top 10 pick with the Kemba trade, there is potential to add a second building piece this year. Tank next year for another top 5 pick, and the potential to suddenly have a young talented team is there.

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Re: Woj: CHA making Kemba available in trade talks 

Post#236 » by Vanderbilt_Grad » Sun Jan 21, 2018 6:49 pm

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sunsbum wrote:Don't you guys think your best bet would be to trade Kemba straight up without any other contracts for picks/young talent then turn around and trade Dwight for the same? If you try to attach contracts you're not going to get anything of value back on the Kemba trade. Your rebuild is going to take 4+ years so batums contract won't really have an affect and he's not someone thats going to win you games by himself...a frenchie tank commander if you will. You'll be right up there for Zion Williams next year with a few extra picks in tow if you do this right.


Exactly right!!! Without Kemba we could end with a top 5 pick this year, which would be golden. Then if we can land another top 10 pick with the Kemba trade, there is potential to add a second building piece this year. Tank next year for another top 5 pick, and the potential to suddenly have a young talented team is there.

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So team that's only able to win 26 games without Kemba is suddenly going to be good after adding just 3 draft picks?

I'm not against rebuilding, but I doubt that it would be so easy.
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Re: Woj: CHA making Kemba available in trade talks 

Post#237 » by stinger14 » Sun Jan 21, 2018 6:53 pm

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stinger14 wrote:
sunsbum wrote:Don't you guys think your best bet would be to trade Kemba straight up without any other contracts for picks/young talent then turn around and trade Dwight for the same? If you try to attach contracts you're not going to get anything of value back on the Kemba trade. Your rebuild is going to take 4+ years so batums contract won't really have an affect and he's not someone thats going to win you games by himself...a frenchie tank commander if you will. You'll be right up there for Zion Williams next year with a few extra picks in tow if you do this right.


Exactly right!!! Without Kemba we could end with a top 5 pick this year, which would be golden. Then if we can land another top 10 pick with the Kemba trade, there is potential to add a second building piece this year. Tank next year for another top 5 pick, and the potential to suddenly have a young talented team is there.

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Top 10 this year or next year from Kemba trade
Top 5 pick next year

So team that's only able to win 26 games without Kemba is suddenly going to be good after adding just 3 draft picks?

I'm not against rebuilding, but I doubt that it would be so easy.


Did not say they would suddenly be good, I said POTENTIALLY HAVE A YOUNG TALENTED TEAM, obviously we would need a couple more years with more picks, and time for them to develop
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Post#238 » by Robot Rock » Sun Jan 21, 2018 7:04 pm

The Lakers are still a couple years from contending thanks to making some great picks. This strategy only rewards the lucky and the wise.

The Hornets are a lost cause, because the money they save in shedding Batum's contract will just go to extending Frank and somebody like Reggie Jackson or Ivica Zubac. Cho and Clifford aren't going anywhere, so even if they got Zion Wiliamson next year he'd just be on the Swarm.
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Post#239 » by stinger14 » Sun Jan 21, 2018 7:32 pm

Robot Rock wrote:The Lakers are still a couple years from contending thanks to making some great picks. This strategy only rewards the lucky and the wise.

The Hornets are a lost cause, because the money they save in shedding Batum's contract will just go to extending Frank and somebody like Reggie Jackson or Ivica Zubac. Cho and Clifford aren't going anywhere, so even if they got Zion Wiliamson next year he'd just be on the Swarm.


Well yeah, if you are extending players such as Reggie Jackson, you have already failed your rebuild. I probably use Frank to dump a contract instead of keeping him too. IF we are doing this, it needs to be a total tear down.
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Re: Woj: CHA making Kemba available in trade talks 

Post#240 » by NYG » Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:12 pm

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NYG wrote:I’m not a Pacers fan, but does Domanatas Sabonis and Darren Collison for Kemba even get a call-back from Charlotte? I just think the Pacers would be the kind of team to go for Kemba, but they don’t have much to work with when I looked over their team.

no lol of course it doesn't.


I figured, I liked Indy going for Kemba until I saw what they could offer.

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