GT: Nets (17-29) @ Pistons (22-22) - Sunday, Jan 21st 2018, 4:00PM (PAAAAINNNN) DINWIDDIE AND1!

[Roy Tarpley]

Some numbers to pay attention to. When D'Angelo Russell was subbed in at 3:51 of the 1st to 6:52 of the 2nd quarter.

We shot 25% from 3
They shot 16.7% from 3

We shot 37% on offense
The Pistons shot 29% on offense

This is the 2nd straight game Russell the floor general vocally and physically led that bench.

DLo +4
Levert +4
Acy +2
Allen +7
Harris +4

The tempo of this game was set there. Your bench does that on the road, holding the home team to 4 for 14 shooting? you're going to have a chance to steal a game.

I think this is romanticizing things a bit. I thought Russell was basically a non-entity in the last two games. Now, there's no doubt that having a confident second ball handler like Dlo in the bench unit helped a lot. But I think his +\- was overall negative and his stats were insignificant.

It's fantastic having Dlo back and I hope he starts warming up soon. But I think you're giving him too much credit for the past two games. I'm just happy he's getting the minutes and reps in.

[All Nets]

Such a great game to watch on replay. Crazy to look back and see RHJ as the assist leader last night, but lots of it came on good ball movement and spacing throughout. Nice to see him bury two 3s off catch and shoots as well.

I'm not worried about DLo at all, the team will bring him along slowly like they've done with various players coming back from injury last season. We're not gunning for playoffs and there's no need to push the envelope physically with Russell.

[MGrand15]

Good to see us get these guys back after they destroyed us at home.

[Yit]

Tracking players performance vs Pistons 21 Jan 2018

RHJ - 45 (++)
Dinwiddie - 43 (++)
DMC - 25 (=)
Harris - 19 (=)
Zeller - 17 (-)
CLV - 15 (=)
Crabbe - 14 (-)
Acy - 6 (-)
Okafor - 3 (-)
Allen - 2 (-)
DAR - 1 (-)

Wow it's so nice to get a win despite only having 2 players really bringing it - guess we got lucky....

[CalamityX12]

Dinwiddie finally gets fortunate(still looks for call lol)...

We gave the game away with turnovers, faulty possessions and missed FTs.... geesh.

[Roy Tarpley]

Tracking players performance vs Pistons 21 Jan 2018

RHJ - 45 (++)
Dinwiddie - 43 (++)
DMC - 25 (=)
Harris - 19 (=)
Zeller - 17 (-)
CLV - 15 (=)
Crabbe - 14 (-)
Acy - 6 (-)
Okafor - 3 (-)
Allen - 2 (-)
DAR - 1 (-)

Wow it's so nice to get a win despite only having 2 players really bringing it - guess we got lucky....

No one responds to this YIT tracking measure -- so I might as well!

Because this measure doesn't track defensive performance well, perhaps one of the reasons the Nets won with only "2 players really bringing it" is not luck but rather a strong overall defensive performance from the entire team?

[CalamityX12]

everyone ripping kenny for going to dinwiddie late in games when he came up short... this is why he continues to show confidence in guys even during struggles. dinwiddie is super poised in crunchtime cause the team shows confidence in him.

also... everyone ready to KILL kenny in this thread before dinwiddie hit the winner.... despite the fact we tried to choke it away on the free throw line.

fickle fans

LOL

yes, lets wait til it finally pays off!!!! LOL

[3pt_chucker]

everyone ripping kenny for going to dinwiddie late in games when he came up short... this is why he continues to show confidence in guys even during struggles. dinwiddie is super poised in crunchtime cause the team shows confidence in him.

also... everyone ready to KILL kenny in this thread before dinwiddie hit the winner.... despite the fact we tried to choke it away on the free throw line.

fickle fans

I don't think anyone(maybe 1 person) was ripping Kenny for Dinwiddie taking the last shot. We were mad that the play was Din jacking up AWFUL deep 3's, which he BRICKED almost all except 1.

Also remember us same fans being happy when he finally changed it up and started driving to the hoop, which has paid dividends. Lo and behold most, if not all of us stopped complaining about that.

If you are gonna say stuff like this, at least get it right..........

[MrDollarBills]

Some numbers to pay attention to. When D'Angelo Russell was subbed in at 3:51 of the 1st to 6:52 of the 2nd quarter.

We shot 25% from 3
They shot 16.7% from 3

We shot 37% on offense
The Pistons shot 29% on offense

This is the 2nd straight game Russell the floor general vocally and physically led that bench.

DLo +4
Levert +4
Acy +2
Allen +7
Harris +4

The tempo of this game was set there. Your bench does that on the road, holding the home team to 4 for 14 shooting? you're going to have a chance to steal a game.

I think this is romanticizing things a bit. I thought Russell was basically a non-entity in the last two games. Now, there's no doubt that having a confident second ball handler like Dlo in the bench unit helped a lot. But I think his +\- was overall negative and his stats were insignificant.

It's fantastic having Dlo back and I hope he starts warming up soon. But I think you're giving him too much credit for the past two games. I'm just happy he's getting the minutes and reps in.

Last night he was drawing two defenders when he caught the ball and didn't force up anything bad, he got rid of the ball and didn't impede ball movement, I saw some maturity from him that wasn't there in November. He was also very active defensively and competing on that end. rewatch the game, he is still rusty but he didn't hurt the team when he was on the floor. he had one dumb TO trying to get the ball to Joey Buckets and one part where I thought he lost his man, otherwise he's climbing back into game shape and it had to be a relief for him to hit that long ball 3 in the 2nd half.

The credit goes to multiple players on this team for last night's win, Dinwiddie, LeVert, Harris, Carroll etc but I saw someone in Russell who understood the offense a lot better than he did before he got hurt.

[MrDollarBills]

Tracking players performance vs Pistons 21 Jan 2018

RHJ - 45 (++)
Dinwiddie - 43 (++)
DMC - 25 (=)
Harris - 19 (=)
Zeller - 17 (-)
CLV - 15 (=)
Crabbe - 14 (-)
Acy - 6 (-)
Okafor - 3 (-)
Allen - 2 (-)
DAR - 1 (-)

Wow it's so nice to get a win despite only having 2 players really bringing it - guess we got lucky....

No one responds to this YIT tracking measure -- so I might as well!

Because this measure doesn't track defensive performance well, perhaps one of the reasons the Nets won with only "2 players really bringing it" is not luck but rather a strong overall defensive performance from the entire team?

I'm still not very certain what all goes into the performance ratings but it always matches the eyeball test. RHJ before he got an apparent arm injury stepped up to the challenge and matched Tobias Harris nearly stat for stat and was more efficient. One of the more best games i've seen RHJ play offensively versus someone who got the best of him last time.

I thought Tyler Zeller played a solid game as well imo. Joe Harris was a beast. I wish Harris would teach Crabbe how to move without the ball like he does, Joe always catches the ball at perfect angles for strong drives to the rim. I really hate this situation because I do not want to lose Joe Harris at all.

[LKIRNets]

Tracking players performance vs Pistons 21 Jan 2018

RHJ - 45 (++)
Dinwiddie - 43 (++)
DMC - 25 (=)
Harris - 19 (=)
Zeller - 17 (-)
CLV - 15 (=)
Crabbe - 14 (-)
Acy - 6 (-)
Okafor - 3 (-)
Allen - 2 (-)
DAR - 1 (-)

Wow it's so nice to get a win despite only having 2 players really bringing it - guess we got lucky....

No one responds to this YIT tracking measure -- so I might as well!

Because this measure doesn't track defensive performance well, perhaps one of the reasons the Nets won with only "2 players really bringing it" is not luck but rather a strong overall defensive performance from the entire team?

The Yit tracking measure is legit the worst tracker in basketball. It would tell you Steve Nash is more valuable than Kobe.

[MGrand15]

Rewatching that last play is crazy. Drummond completely ignores Acy. And 99/100 times, he blocks that. Acy tries to backscreen for Joe Harris (while he's wide open) and Harris just stands there. If Dinwiddie thought he was going to get blocked and needed a release, that play would've been a disaster. The Crabbe gravity was in full effect though. He's on the opposite corner and Avery Bradley doesn't even think of stepping towards the paint.

[treiz]

yall still wanna trade Dinwiddie and RHJ for picks and expiring contacts?

Dinwiddie: 22pts 4rebs 5asts 9/13FG 4/6 3PT , game winning basket (5 TOs, a rarity)

RHJ: 21pts 8rebs 7asts 1 blk 8/15 FG 2/4 3PT

If it's high lottery then yeah of course

[Keith Van Horn]

yall still wanna trade Dinwiddie and RHJ for picks and expiring contacts?

Dinwiddie: 22pts 4rebs 5asts 9/13FG 4/6 3PT , game winning basket (5 TOs, a rarity)

RHJ: 21pts 8rebs 7asts 1 blk 8/15 FG 2/4 3PT

If it's high lottery then yeah of course

TBH I still think the time to see RHJ would be this season as long as the return is a lotto pick or he's part of a deal that brings us Kawhi, or something spectacular like him. I've thought about moving him for other players like Gordon, but I'll pass on that idea for now.

Dinwiddie though, I'm wanting to hold onto b/c of many reason:
-plays most important position in the game right now and he's doing it well in our system. not to mention his confidence is growing rapidly,
-making him your future pg guarantees DLo more time off ball, or at least shared duties,
-he's a nuisance to defend b/c of his size,
-he's got a great first step on getting to the rim, where he's vastly improved his finishing,
-elite ast-TO ratio,
-he can be one of the best shooters on the floor and he's a primary ball handler,
-he's got the potential to be a top 15 pg every year for years to come

BUT, if that package/offer comes along for dinwiddie that blows you out of the water, you still HAVE TO consider it before saying no.

[treiz]

TBH I still think the time to see RHJ would be this season as long as the return is a lotto pick or he's part of a deal that brings us Kawhi, or something spectacular like him. I've thought about moving him for other players like Gordon, but I'll pass on that idea for now.

Dinwiddie though, I'm wanting to hold onto b/c of many reason:
-plays most important position in the game right now and he's doing it well in our system. not to mention his confidence is growing rapidly,
-making him your future pg guarantees DLo more time off ball, or at least shared duties,
-he's a nuisance to defend b/c of his size,
-he's got a great first step on getting to the rim, where he's vastly improved his finishing,
-elite ast-TO ratio,
-he can be one of the best shooters on the floor and he's a primary ball handler,
-he's got the potential to be a top 15 pg every year for years to come

BUT, if that package/offer comes along for dinwiddie that blows you out of the water, you still HAVE TO consider it before saying no.

That's a fair point, and I certainly have no qualms about keeping Dinwiddie or RHJ. The point was, is that if there's a player there on draft-day that we can go up and grab who can really take us to next level then you have to pull that trigger. I like Spencer and RHJ, and I think they are quality players (hence why I think they can fetch us something really good), but they're complementary players. If you can get your alpha by trading one of these 2, you take that shot and don't look back.

[Yit]

Tracking players performance vs Pistons 21 Jan 2018

RHJ - 45 (++)
Dinwiddie - 43 (++)
DMC - 25 (=)
Harris - 19 (=)
Zeller - 17 (-)
CLV - 15 (=)
Crabbe - 14 (-)
Acy - 6 (-)
Okafor - 3 (-)
Allen - 2 (-)
DAR - 1 (-)

Wow it's so nice to get a win despite only having 2 players really bringing it - guess we got lucky....

No one responds to this YIT tracking measure -- so I might as well!

Because this measure doesn't track defensive performance well, perhaps one of the reasons the Nets won with only "2 players really bringing it" is not luck but rather a strong overall defensive performance from the entire team?

Thanks Roy for your feedback - I do have other tracking measures and for defense effort of Nets during the game against Pistons our players were scoring thusly: (this matrix is based on stats in comparison to all players playing (inclusive of opposing players))
DMC - 8
Crabbe - 9
Dinwiddie - 2
RHJ - 7
Zeller - 3
Acy - 2
Allen - 3
Harris - 2
CLV - 2
Okafor - 0
DAR - 2
Overall Nets DEF 38 averaging 3.8

This in comparison to opposing players
A.Bra - GCP 5 DEF 0
R.Bul - GCP 9 DEF 0
A.Dru - GCP 24 DEF 10
T.Har - GCP 41 DEF 7
I.Smi - GCP 18 DEF 11
L.Gal - GCP 17 DEF 15
S.Joh - GCP 32 DEF 3
L.Ken - GCP 21 DEF 5
E.Mor - GCP 10 DEF 3
A.Tol - GCP 12 DEF 2
Overall DET DEF 58 Averaging 6

Our defence wasn't really that stellar compared to the Pistons seriously even from the overall game statistics point of view. The 3 players that played with most effort for defense in this game were Crabbe, DMC and RHJ. If you think it's really just the players I beg to differ, I am not saying that our players did not do well (they did) but we did get lucky for this game that's my opinion based of what I can glean from the stats.