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Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 5

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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 5 

Post#581 » by Qwigglez » Mon Jan 22, 2018 5:09 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:
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I think if there is a great opportunity this summer they should go for it. I just don't know that the free agent pool is as good or what trade opportunities will be there. But if a Booker extension does count against the cap in 19 it would make sense to make a move sooner. I guess there is a chance he would wait to sign a max until the summer of 19 to allow us to utilize that cap space before he signs though. Since he is all about winning and adding pieces to make big improvements, then he would know it makes sense to wait to allow this to happen. Though any agent/player may also want to do it sooner in case of injury (even though I still think we'd give him a max if he got injured).


https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2017/10/12/phoenix-suns-devin-booker-contract-extension-robert-sarver-ryan-mcdonough/750881001/

Just want to mention if Booker waited until 2019 to actually sign his contract, then he should immediately get into the ROH because that would allow us to potentially give out two max contracts in 2019 and then sign him afterwards. I doubt it though.


Technically yes if they play the waiting game they could try to use more space that summer. But I wouldn't mess around with that unless it was 100% Bookers idea. But I can't see any agent or player messing around and not taking their life changing extension. It's just too big of a risk for Booker to not take that money. And it's too big of a risk for the Suns to play games with that extension. This is how the Wolves got themselves in trouble with Love; they didn't give him the max because they thought they were saving it for Rubio and that started some of the bad blood from Love towards the team. I also think the fact that Gordon Hayward had to get an offer on the restricted market the first time he hit FA played some factor into him leaving this time around (and it directly took a year off of his deal he could have signed if they extended him early).

Bottom line is if you have a guy you are sold and want to build around just get him locked up. I'm so happy Booker took a step this year because if he was playing at last years level of good but not great I think this is a trickier extension because they would have wanted to extend him but i don't think he was a no brainer max guy at that level of play.


Yes I should have mentioned that. It would have to be Booker's idea because I'd be scared that maybe he felt insulted if we came to him with it. Maybe if enough fans let him know about this idea via Twitter, he may see it and think it makes sense.
Imagine the headlines this summer:
"Booker wants contract extension talks next summer to maximize cap space"
"Booker is brilliant, this kind of idea is next level thinking"
"Booker already thinking of dynasty, selfless act to bolster the Suns"

I don't know, but this would very creative thinking.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 5 

Post#582 » by bwgood77 » Mon Jan 22, 2018 5:26 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:
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I think if there is a great opportunity this summer they should go for it. I just don't know that the free agent pool is as good or what trade opportunities will be there. But if a Booker extension does count against the cap in 19 it would make sense to make a move sooner. I guess there is a chance he would wait to sign a max until the summer of 19 to allow us to utilize that cap space before he signs though. Since he is all about winning and adding pieces to make big improvements, then he would know it makes sense to wait to allow this to happen. Though any agent/player may also want to do it sooner in case of injury (even though I still think we'd give him a max if he got injured).


https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2017/10/12/phoenix-suns-devin-booker-contract-extension-robert-sarver-ryan-mcdonough/750881001/

Just want to mention if Booker waited until 2019 to actually sign his contract, then he should immediately get into the ROH because that would allow us to potentially give out two max contracts in 2019 and then sign him afterwards. I doubt it though.


Technically yes if they play the waiting game they could try to use more space that summer. But I wouldn't mess around with that unless it was 100% Bookers idea. But I can't see any agent or player messing around and not taking their life changing extension. It's just too big of a risk for Booker to not take that money. And it's too big of a risk for the Suns to play games with that extension. This is how the Wolves got themselves in trouble with Love; they didn't give him the max because they thought they were saving it for Rubio and that started some of the bad blood from Love towards the team. I also think the fact that Gordon Hayward had to get an offer on the restricted market the first time he hit FA played some factor into him leaving this time around (and it directly took a year off of his deal he could have signed if they extended him early).

Bottom line is if you have a guy you are sold and want to build around just get him locked up. I'm so happy Booker took a step this year because if he was playing at last years level of good but not great I think this is a trickier extension because they would have wanted to extend him but i don't think he was a no brainer max guy at that level of play.


It seems like players have waited to re-sign these maxes to allow their teams to sign more talent. If Booker really does care about getting great talent around him then it would behoove him to do that to allow the team to get better more quickly. I'm sure the option would be presented to him but if he wanted to just take the money and feels the team is equipped with enough young talent to make that run without adding someone he would take the money. It obviously is more security and I'm sure his agent will push for it as well so he can get paid. The Suns could also do it for media reasons...just to make some headlines about extending him to the max even if it cost them a chance to get better sooner by adding talent that following summer.

But I think it would be different than Hayward and they definitely would not allow him to hit restricted free agency and field other offers and would give him that max regardless.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 5 

Post#583 » by NTB » Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:04 pm

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Post#584 » by hollywood6964 » Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:05 pm

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lilfishi22 wrote:I doubt it. If a team wants a big these days, they want either elite scoring with range or elite defense. Monroe doesn't have range and he's not much of a defender. I just don't see any team needing him enough to give up even a late 1st.

His value at this point is either comparatively average player at another position or cap space.
Monroe is a great passer. He fits well for inside out offenses that don't have a good driving PG. Unfortunately, I think most teams like that have already a good C (Denver, Knicks, Lakers, Jazz)

He's a good passer but these days bigs without great D and are slow just doesn't get PT. Same reason why despite being the Warriors best big man defender, Bogut went from 27mpg in the playoffs, to 23mpg the following year and then to 16mpg in his final season with the Warriors. He didn't even play the last two playoff games in the Finals. Teams these days are looking for the Capelas, guys who are great PnR guys, who can play defense and just cover big areas on D. Offense is almost optional.

If one of these types of players aren't available, they rather play small with a natural 4 at the C. This is why even though Bender can't really bang in the middle, he still has value


Because there is no banging in the middle. The game is softer than little kids ays. Bender wouldn't have been drafted 20 years ago. Now he's a viable talent. Is what it is. Wish they'd put someoff the physicality back into the game.

That's also why 18ppg is nothing for a wing or pg now. No big punishing you inside, blocking shots, deterring, etc. Also no bigs scoring, so more for the guards (also the pace is much faster because of the rules and subsequent team roster strategies, so more scoring anyway). And you can't get near them, so 3s are easy now as well. Hell you don't even need a traditional kobe jump shot, you can just have a little hop shot like Curry n score 30. Games a joke.

Anyway, yeah, Monroe has nearly zero trade value.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 5 

Post#585 » by NTB » Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:29 pm

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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 5 

Post#586 » by Saberestar » Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:36 pm

Canaan over Ulis?
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 5 

Post#587 » by NTB » Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:37 pm

Saberestar wrote:Canaan over Ulis?


Dudley over Bender?
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 5 

Post#588 » by Saberestar » Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:38 pm

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Saberestar wrote:Canaan over Ulis?


Dudley over Bender?

Or Jackson over Ulis to defend Bledsoe in this game? I am curious about it.

Probably Dudley, yes.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 5 

Post#589 » by NTB » Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:41 pm

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Saberestar wrote:Canaan over Ulis?


Dudley over Bender?

Or Jackson over Ulis to defend Bledsoe in this game? I am curious about it.

Probably Dudley, yes.


Or maybe Monroe with the second revenge game.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 5 

Post#590 » by gaspar » Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:42 pm

Saberestar wrote:
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Saberestar wrote:Canaan over Ulis?


Dudley over Bender?

Or Jackson over Ulis to defend Bledsoe in this game? I am curious about it.

Probably Dudley, yes.

or Monroe revenge game
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 5 

Post#591 » by Saberestar » Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:43 pm

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Dudley over Bender?

Or Jackson over Ulis to defend Bledsoe in this game? I am curious about it.

Probably Dudley, yes.


Or maybe Monroe with the second revenge game.

Good point. It makes a lot of sense.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 5 

Post#592 » by darealjuice » Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:48 pm

If I had to bet, I'd say it's Canaan over Ulis. He's outplayed him since day 1, eventually you have to reward him.

Dudley over Bender wouldn't make sense to me. Why start him now when we've been playing currently inferior young guys over him in the name of development since like the 10th game of last year?

Maybe Monroe over Chandler? This is his old team, after all. edit: Gaspar beat me to it
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Post#593 » by bwgood77 » Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:51 pm

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Post#594 » by bwoolf2 » Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:05 pm

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Please let if be Ulis out of the starting lineup ofr either Cannan or Jackson... Finally let Book run the Harden role...
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Post#595 » by bwoolf2 » Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:05 pm

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Please let it be Ulis out of the starting lineup ofr either Cannan or Jackson... Finally let Book run the Harden role...
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Post#596 » by jcsunsfan » Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:05 pm

Gotta be Canaan over Ulis.
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Post#597 » by matt131 » Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:21 pm

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Jackson/Bender/Chriss/All the draft picks/200million dollars

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Leonard.


Lol but actually if we sent them that package, all three of those players would turn into All Stars
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Post#599 » by darealjuice » Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:36 pm

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Post#600 » by bwgood77 » Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:44 pm

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I don't know. It's probably kind of split. It's also amazing how much worse their defense is with Giannis out:

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