Bucks Trade Ideas Thread 2018

[Prez]

4.)And when the ball goes into him on an offensive set, it usually doesn't come out. Ideally he'd work for his shot on the perimeter, and he's seemingly to lazy to do that..just stands around not creating much for spacing. Also, been lazy on defense of late.

I've been saying this for a while, theoretical Middleton is the perfect player along side Giannis, actual Khris Middleton however is not, but people keep talking like he is. I'm not saying he isn't a good player, he sure can be, but he is a big reason we are a train wreck this year.

20/5/4 on 56% TS, team outscores the opponent with him on court and is a -7.1 points per 100 when he sits, but he's a big reason we're a train wreck? Ok.

[Badgerlander]

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[LedZepp007]

I wonder what we offered?


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[M-C-G]

4.)And when the ball goes into him on an offensive set, it usually doesn't come out. Ideally he'd work for his shot on the perimeter, and he's seemingly to lazy to do that..just stands around not creating much for spacing. Also, been lazy on defense of late.

I've been saying this for a while, theoretical Middleton is the perfect player along side Giannis, actual Khris Middleton however is not, but people keep talking like he is. I'm not saying he isn't a good player, he sure can be, but he is a big reason we are a train wreck this year.

20/5/4 on 56% TS, team outscores the opponent with him on court and is a -7.1 points per 100 when he sits, but he's a big reason we're a train wreck? Ok.

Prez, I understand that you are Middleton champion on the board and respect that and you can throw whatever stats you want to dispute my opinion, I'm good with that too, but I personally can't ignore this level of dis-functionality that surrounds "bad Khris".

I'll stand by my comment, I do think Khris is a big reason why our offense and defense looks like dog ****, dog **** which I would consider a train wreck.

[Chapter29]

Yep, stopped reading when you wrote that we can decent production from Snell if we let Middleton go. Um, no.

between snell and sterling....i think you can

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I really like Brown but its way too early to remotely think about him replacing a key cog like Middleton.

With Snell I really think think he just doesn't have the right mentality. He simply disappears.

If we trade Middleton IMO its with the idea of packaging him to get a better talent.

[Jimmmycrackcorn]

4.)And when the ball goes into him on an offensive set, it usually doesn't come out. Ideally he'd work for his shot on the perimeter, and he's seemingly to lazy to do that..just stands around not creating much for spacing. Also, been lazy on defense of late.

I've been saying this for a while, theoretical Middleton is the perfect player along side Giannis, actual Khris Middleton however is not, but people keep talking like he is. I'm not saying he isn't a good player, he sure can be, but he is a big reason we are a train wreck this year.

20/5/4 on 56% TS, team outscores the opponent with him on court and is a -7.1 points per 100 when he sits, but he's a big reason we're a train wreck? Ok.

while his true shooting numbers are decent, most of his shot selection is piss poor.

you can spin it any way you want based off stats, but his offensive creation, his 3 pt %, and his defense, all have regressed this year.

and he's become a bit of a black hole on offense.....especially in the 4th quarter....the ball stops with him.

[Jimmmycrackcorn]

the guy is taking more 3's than ever before...and making them at a worse clip than ever before (taking out his rookie season)

[M-C-G]

I've been saying this for a while, theoretical Middleton is the perfect player along side Giannis, actual Khris Middleton however is not, but people keep talking like he is. I'm not saying he isn't a good player, he sure can be, but he is a big reason we are a train wreck this year.

20/5/4 on 56% TS, team outscores the opponent with him on court and is a -7.1 points per 100 when he sits, but he's a big reason we're a train wreck? Ok.

while his true shooting numbers are decent, most of his shot selection is piss poor.

you can spin it any way you want based off stats, but his offensive creation, his 3 pt %, and his defense, all have regressed this year.

and he's become a bit of a black hole on offense.....especially in the 4th quarter....the ball stops with him.

Yeah, I think people think I am criticizing Khris' production or efficiency and I want to make it clear that I am not, I still think he is a good player, but unfortunately I think he, more than anyone, has taken Kidd's free reign way, way, way too far and I think it is the biggest detriment to this team. Dude is unchecked and other than some Henson lobs, which I love, the ball doesn't seem to leave his hands, it's evident that even after his triple double, his assist rate is still down in January.

[Jimmmycrackcorn]

20/5/4 on 56% TS, team outscores the opponent with him on court and is a -7.1 points per 100 when he sits, but he's a big reason we're a train wreck? Ok.

while his true shooting numbers are decent, most of his shot selection is piss poor.

you can spin it any way you want based off stats, but his offensive creation, his 3 pt %, and his defense, all have regressed this year.

and he's become a bit of a black hole on offense.....especially in the 4th quarter....the ball stops with him.

Yeah, I think people think I am criticizing Khris' production or efficiency and I want to make it clear that I am not, I still think he is a good player, but unfortunately I think he, more than anyone, has taken Kidd's free reign way, way, way too far and I think it is the biggest detriment to this team. Dude is unchecked and other than some Henson lobs, which I love, the ball doesn't seem to leave his hands, it's evident that even after his triple double, his assist rate is still down in January.

pretty much exactly what i'm saying

his ability to create has been highly exaggerated by Kidd and his staff, and he's been enabled for too long. he should never dominate the ball as much as he does when sharing the floor with Giannis, Bledsoe, or Brogdon. like ever.

he can score...i'm not debating that. but its become more volume scoring and less effective scoring. he's sacrificed making 3's for making 2's. congrats I guess??

[Prez]

Prez, I understand that you are Middleton champion on the board and respect that and you can throw whatever stats you want to dispute my opinion, I'm good with that too, but I personally can't ignore this level of dis-functionality that surrounds "bad Khris".

I'll stand by my comment, I do think Khris is a big reason why our offense and defense looks like dog ****, dog **** which I would consider a train wreck.

And this is the issue with Middleton discussions, any look into the stats that try to evaluate how these guys are producing, how the team performs with them vs. without them, etc gets dismissed.

Surely if he was a big reason this team is a train wreck, it'd show up somewhere. He wouldn't be putting up raw stats and efficiency (PTS/REB/AST & TS%) that literally only 6 other players in the league (all franchise players) are matching/surpassing. He wouldn't be one of only 3 players on the roster with a positive net rating (w/ Giannis/Henson). He wouldn't be a significant positive by on/off. Wouldn't be the only Buck outside of Giannis with a >+1 RPM.

This team is a train wreck because we have guys like Thon and Delly who are 2 of the worst players in the entire league (Thon might be THE worst center in the league) playing 18+ mpg.

[Nowak008]

I think I would like to try a different defensive scheme consistently before trading for offensively inept guys like MKG.

What if he plays center for us? Or MKG can replace Giannis at the 4 when he sits. I'd call Charlotte and see if they would do a MKG for Snell deal. That would be a home run for us.

[Chuck Diesel]

With the news that Portland is interested in DeAndre Jordan.

Bucks: Jusuf Nurkic, Ed Davis
Clippers: Jabari Parker, Thon Maker, Meyers Leonard
Blazers: DeAndre Jordan.

Instead of the possibly bolting Jordan, we lock up the restricted, 23 year old Nurkic this summer as the center of our future.

Bledsoe/Brogdon
Snell/Brogdon
Middleton/Brown
Giannis/Davis
Nurkic/Henson

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ycajw2bh

[Chuck Diesel]

Also how sad is it that we could've gotten Nurkic straight up for Thon at this time last year.

[jr lucosa]

Khris has been playing an ugly style of ball most the year, but that's what our offense is. Who's turn is it to ISO this time? That, the curl hand off 3 on the wing, and force it to the post are the only "plays" we run.

It doesn't get much prettier when he exits the game.

[LedZepp007]

With the news that Portland is interested in DeAndre Jordan.

Bucks: Jusuf Nurkic, Ed Davis
Clippers: Jabari Parker, Thon Maker, Meyers Leonard
Blazers: DeAndre Jordan.

Instead of the possibly bolting Jordan, we lock up the restricted, 23 year old Nurkic this summer as the center of our future.

Bledsoe/Brogdon
Snell/Brogdon
Middleton/Brown
Giannis/Davis
Nurkic/Henson

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ycajw2bh

Jesus that’s bad for us


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[Chuck Diesel]

With the news that Portland is interested in DeAndre Jordan.

Bucks: Jusuf Nurkic, Ed Davis
Clippers: Jabari Parker, Thon Maker, Meyers Leonard
Blazers: DeAndre Jordan.

Instead of the possibly bolting Jordan, we lock up the restricted, 23 year old Nurkic this summer as the center of our future.

Bledsoe/Brogdon
Snell/Brogdon
Middleton/Brown
Giannis/Davis
Nurkic/Henson

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ycajw2bh

Jesus that’s bad for us


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No it's not.

[raferfenix]

So how do we feel post-Kidd?

Might be less likely to go after a Schwartz-client, ala trading for Deandre.

[raferfenix]

I think we are less likely to trade Jabari now.

For that matter I bet Kidd was the one leaking all the Deandre Jordan trade talk with Jabari's name attached.

Would make sense why Parker and Kidd weren't speaking at the end if that were the case.

[3Diamantidis]

Now get the big.

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[raferfenix]

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I think Kidd's dreams of including Jabari in a package to get Deandre were dashed.

We'll see if there are any more leaks about our interest in Jordan now that Kidd is out.