2018 Brewers Discussion - Yelich Signing on Page 45

dbrodz7 · Post #681 » by **dbrodz7** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 5:07 pm

He also posted this regarding Yu "Yu's "people" are in sit down mode and currently determining the Brewer's direction as an organization. In other words are the Brewer's ready to compete at the highest level.

Offer seems to be acceptable. However, does he want to play for Milwaukee, are they going to win extensively and does he want to call it home."

tski1972 · Post #682 » by **tski1972** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 5:09 pm

dbrodz7 wrote:
Turk Nowitzki wrote:The guy on BF.net is saying now that the trade might not go down until later on this week. Don't know how reliable he is but apparently he got tipped on the Lucroy to Cleveland trade that ended up getting vetoed so it might be legit.

He said it doesn't involve Braun and that it's with an AL team. I can't remember a time in the social media era where it was announced that a trade was going to happen, but the report knew nothing about the team or players involved.

or it could be as simple as the guy actually not knowing the teams or players involved. when guys get "inside info" like this they usually don't get the specifics for obvious reasons.

dbrodz7 · Post #683 » by **dbrodz7** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 5:13 pm

tski1972 wrote:
dbrodz7 wrote:
Turk Nowitzki wrote:The guy on BF.net is saying now that the trade might not go down until later on this week. Don't know how reliable he is but apparently he got tipped on the Lucroy to Cleveland trade that ended up getting vetoed so it might be legit.

He said it doesn't involve Braun and that it's with an AL team. I can't remember a time in the social media era where it was announced that a trade was going to happen, but the report knew nothing about the team or players involved.

or it could be as simple as the guy actually not knowing the teams or players involved. when guys get "inside info" like this they usually don't get the specifics for obvious reasons.

I didn't mean the guy leaking on the forum, I meant none of the major baseball reporters or anyone has found a credible leak on the team or players. It's crazy that nobody knows any details.

Mags FTW · Post #684 » by **Mags FTW** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 5:59 pm

ackypoo wrote:i like watching darvish pitch. its fun.

Houston Astros wrote:i like watching darvish pitch. its fun.

neiLz · Post #685 » by **neiLz** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:21 pm

dbrodz7 wrote:He also posted this regarding Yu "Yu's "people" are in sit down mode and currently determining the Brewer's direction as an organization. In other words are the Brewer's ready to compete at the highest level.

Offer seems to be acceptable. However, does he want to play for Milwaukee, are they going to win extensively and does he want to call it home."

So if he's determining the brewers direction and they trade santana/mystery outfielder for prospects, that may sway his decision.

Je K · Post #686 » by **Je K** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:30 pm

ArodpwnsFavre wrote:
dbrodz7 wrote:He also posted this regarding Yu "Yu's "people" are in sit down mode and currently determining the Brewer's direction as an organization. In other words are the Brewer's ready to compete at the highest level.

Offer seems to be acceptable. However, does he want to play for Milwaukee, are they going to win extensively and does he want to call it home."

So if he's determining the brewers direction and they trade santana/mystery outfielder for prospects, that may sway his decision.

But at the same time, the decision could sway the other way if the Brewers hypothetically trade outfielder/prospects for Jose Abreu

bizarro · Post #687 » by **bizarro** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:56 pm

It seems the current iteration of this rumor is the Brewers are in for an OF (most likely, Cain) and are dealing an OF (most likely Broxton and/or Santana)?

Kerb Hohl · Post #688 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:04 pm

bizarro wrote:It seems the current iteration of this rumor is the Brewers are in for an OF (most likely, Cain) and are dealing an OF (most likely Broxton and/or Santana)?

That's just part of it. Also a likely nonsensical aspect where the Brewers absorb Ellsbury's contract for prospects. There's all sorts of stuff flying around.

bizarro · Post #689 » by **bizarro** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:09 pm

Kerb Hohl wrote:
bizarro wrote:It seems the current iteration of this rumor is the Brewers are in for an OF (most likely, Cain) and are dealing an OF (most likely Broxton and/or Santana)?

That's just part of it. Also a likely nonsensical aspect where the Brewers absorb Ellsbury's contract for prospects. There's all sorts of stuff flying around.

I'm seeing a couple East Coast 'tweets' dispelling the Yankees/Brewers convos. Mainly these two via Brewer Fan:

Read on Twitter

and

Read on Twitter

Kerb Hohl · Post #690 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:12 pm

Right, I'm one that usually tries to see the good intentions/motivation behind any rumored deal, so I get the Brewers absorbing Ellsbury to bring in other assets, but unless they're flipping him quickly, I'm not sure I can really concoct a deal that makes sense for both sides. The Yankees are not THAT desperate to shed money right now and the Brewers would need a serious pot-sweetener even just to pay about half of Ellsbury's $.

bizarro · Post #691 » by **bizarro** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:19 pm

Kerb Hohl wrote:Right, I'm one that usually tries to see the good intentions/motivation behind any rumored deal, so I get the Brewers absorbing Ellsbury to bring in other assets, but unless they're flipping him quickly, I'm not sure I can really concoct a deal that makes sense for both sides. The Yankees are not THAT desperate to shed money right now and the Brewers would need a serious pot-sweetener even just to pay about half of Ellsbury's $.

I agree. I personally think the conversations are developing w/ the White Sox for Abreu and we're going to trade from OF strength and bring in Lorenzo Cain as well. This is based on nothing other than previous public reports and intuition.

EDIT:

I didn't see Abreu was 30. I'm not sure an Abreu deal really makes sense either...all I know is Crasnick reported we were talking w/ the White Sox (among potential other AL candidates - most likely being Indians, Royals, and Yanks) and we had conversations last season re: Quintana. Who knows?

trwi7 · Post #692 » by **trwi7** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:20 pm

Now we have people on bf.net willing to throw Brinson away with Thames to slightly upgrade to Jose Abreu. Jesus Christ, the 86 wins was bad enough just for stupid **** like that alone.

Kerb Hohl · Post #693 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:21 pm

I'm with twirly on this that Abreu better not cost much prospect-wise if he's being dealt for, because we can platoon similar production.

bizarro · Post #694 » by **bizarro** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:22 pm

trwi7 wrote:Now we have people on bf.net willing to throw Brinson away with Thames to slightly upgrade to Jose Abreu. Jesus Christ, the 86 wins was bad enough just for stupid **** like that alone.

Yeah, I saw that. It would be a ridiculously dumb move on the Brewers part. Abreu is an upgrade, sure. BUT, as you point out, a slight upgrade and then you deal your #1 5-Tool prospect?!?

Post #695 » by **ReasonablySober** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:24 pm

bizarro wrote:
Kerb Hohl wrote:Right, I'm one that usually tries to see the good intentions/motivation behind any rumored deal, so I get the Brewers absorbing Ellsbury to bring in other assets, but unless they're flipping him quickly, I'm not sure I can really concoct a deal that makes sense for both sides. The Yankees are not THAT desperate to shed money right now and the Brewers would need a serious pot-sweetener even just to pay about half of Ellsbury's $.

I agree. I personally think the conversations are developing w/ the White Sox for Abreu and we're going to trade from OF strength and bring in Lorenzo Cain as well. This is based on nothing other than previous public reports and intuition.

Yea, I really can't conceive of any Elsbury deal that makes sense for Milwaukee, at least if they're trying to improve on the field in 2018. He isn't as good an option as what we currently have, and his salary would prevent the Brewers from getting serious at other positions.

sidney moncrief · Post #696 » by **sidney moncrief** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:29 pm

Read on Twitter

Kerb Hohl · Post #697 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:41 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:
bizarro wrote:
Kerb Hohl wrote:Right, I'm one that usually tries to see the good intentions/motivation behind any rumored deal, so I get the Brewers absorbing Ellsbury to bring in other assets, but unless they're flipping him quickly, I'm not sure I can really concoct a deal that makes sense for both sides. The Yankees are not THAT desperate to shed money right now and the Brewers would need a serious pot-sweetener even just to pay about half of Ellsbury's $.

I agree. I personally think the conversations are developing w/ the White Sox for Abreu and we're going to trade from OF strength and bring in Lorenzo Cain as well. This is based on nothing other than previous public reports and intuition.

Yea, I really can't conceive of any Elsbury deal that makes sense for Milwaukee, at least if they're trying to improve on the field in 2018. He isn't as good an option as what we currently have, and his salary would prevent the Brewers from getting serious at other positions.

The Yankees could eat some of the salary, but the prospect coming back would still have to be worth the $20-30 million that the Brewers eat, in which case you're back to square one because it's still unlikely that the Yankees need to unload the $ that badly.

Post #698 » by **ReasonablySober** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:43 pm

Read on Twitter

Kerb Hohl · Post #699 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:45 pm

I think the publication of the Brewers' offer was just a call to action to the Dodgers, Rangers, Cubs, and Twins. I'd like to get Darvish but it feels like the Brewers are not as serious about getting him, nor should they have to be.

DingleJerry · Post #700 » by **DingleJerry** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 8:01 pm

bizarro wrote:
trwi7 wrote:Now we have people on bf.net willing to throw Brinson away with Thames to slightly upgrade to Jose Abreu. Jesus Christ, the 86 wins was bad enough just for stupid **** like that alone.

Yeah, I saw that. It would be a ridiculously dumb move on the Brewers part. Abreu is an upgrade, sure. BUT, as you point out, a slight upgrade and then you deal your #1 5-Tool prospect?!?

Thames was not very good after April. Jesus came out of nowhere, who knows what he'll do next year. Our offense was terrible the second half of the year. You'd be giving up 1 prospect for two years of a hitter that good and consistent as Abreu, it's clearly a good value trade. Being the team probably isn't really at a title window without other moves, I don't know if it's worth doing at this time. But the trade values of it would clearly be in MKE's favor. Most deals of this nature have one top level guy like Brinson and 2-3 more with him. I'd guess that CWS would demand more but I'm not surprised MKE fans overvalue prospects.

Keep in mind Brinson has always been hurt too.