Trade Thread 2: Make your offers here

[Ccwatercraft]

Bulls trade: Nobody

Bulls receive: Solid FA in summer of 2018

actually I'm hoping garpax has called every office and reminded them that if they need a 3rd team to help in clearing salary in a deal that we are here to help, no reason why we can't obtain future assets for helping someone get under the tax.

[Thebullsgod1993]

Mirotic and Holiday for Kelly Oubre and wizards 1st Rd pick

[Thebullsgod1993]

I'd be happy with Mirotic and Holiday just for Kelly Oubre. I think he'd fit this core really well than use our pick on A center probably JJJ or Wendell Carter JR.

That's
Pg: Dunn
SG: Lavine
SF Kelly Oubre JR
PF: Markannen
C: JJJ/Wendell Carter JR

That's a sold core right there

ou

[sco]

Mirotic and Holiday for Kelly Oubre and wizards 1st Rd pick

I'd be happy with Mirotic and Holiday just for Kelly Oubre. I think he'd fit this core really well than use our pick on A center probably JJJ or Wendell Carter JR.

That's
Pg: Dunn
SG: Lavine
SF Kelly Oubre JR
PF: Markannen
C: JJJ/Wendell Carter JR

That's a sold core right there

ou

I've been pushing for Niko for Oubre (essentially straight-up, but realistically with salary filler), but general sense from board is that Washington values Oubre > than Niko. No way does adding Holiday, get us their 1st too...probably not enough for Oubre alone (although I think it's a good deal for them).

[Thebullsgod1993]

what about Niko and Grant to cle for Brooklyns pick. That's 2 top 10 picks... would be perfect for this rebuild doubt they take that though.

[ChiTownHero1992]

Mirotic and Holiday for Kelly Oubre and wizards 1st Rd pick

I would be ecstatic to do that but from the looks of it, WAS really values Oubre and are not giving him up for that package let alone adding a first as well.

[Belf]

Bulls trade: Nobody

Bulls receive: Solid FA in summer of 2018

This is essentially what I've been hoping for too. Only I'm in the "trade for someone next season" camp instead of the "sign someone in FA" camp. If we pick up Niko's option, then we have a huge amount of trade capital next season that we could leverage into a star. We would have $30m in expiring contracts from Niko, RoLo and Holiday! Plus young guys! And all of our Picks! I mean consider this deal next year.

Trade 1: NO gives
Anthony Davis, Solomon Hill (or E’twaun Moore, or Omar Asik, really all 3 of them have terrible contracts for NO so whichever contract they would rather be rid of)
Bulls give:
Niko, RoLo, Holiday, 2 of -Grant, Portis, Valentine, Payne (whichever 2 they want) and some draft picks.

NO takes the deal because they get 2 young rotation players with upside, some draft picks, and out of the luxury tax while also shifting to build around Boogie with players who can space the floor.

Trade 2: NO gives
Anthony Davis, Solomon Hill, Omar Asik
Bulls give:
Niko, Holiday, RoLo, LaVine, 1-2 of Grant, Portis, Valentine, Payne (again whichever 2 they want), and some draft picks

In this one, they get LaVine as a nice piece to sell hope to their fans. Also they get rid of 2 bad contracts.

Yes, it would be a salary dump for NO. But at the beginning of next season, they will have $91m invested in 9 players (and that’s not counting the huge deal they need to give Boogie!). So let’s say they are at 116m with 10 players (25m/yr Boogie). Now add in 2 draft picks, so $5m ish more, and they are at 12 players at 121m already. They have some super crappy contracts and they need to fix it. Well we can come in and offer a solution to fix their cap. Our asking price would be Davis. But they wouldn’t be dumping Davis JUST for salary reasons. They would fear him declining his player option and walking away in FA for nothing, so they would try to get assets back while he still has value. But I think the fact that they are in the luxury tax would be an added incentive to take on the expiring contracts of RoLo, Niko, and Holiday. The biggest threat of other teams that can offer a better deal is probably Boston. NO has said all along that they are keeping AD. I think Boston gets tired of waiting and deploys their assets this year to go all in on winning the title now. I don’t think NO trades AD until next season at the earliest. If that’s the case, then the Bulls will be in prime position to make a fairly strong offer. And I assume LaVine will be going to them as a blue chip (or Dunn but not both because they have Holiday taking up a starting guard spot). I just don’t know how much $$ LaVine will sign for this off-season so it’s kind of hard to project what salaries NO and CHI will have to equal up. Niko, Holiday, and Lopez don’t even count as players to them (well maybe they try to retain Niko) because they would just let them walk that next off-season since they won’t have the money to pay them. They are purely half season rentals that replace several years of bad Asik, E’twaun, and/or Hill contracts.

Basically NO has to match AD’s salary with another team in a trade. Not many teams are going to have access to $30+m in expiring contracts. If NO takes players with multiyear deals in exchange for AD, then they are stuck with Boogie, Jrue Holiday, Asik, E’twaun, Hill, and whichever players they get back as their team until the 2020-21 season, paying the luxury tax the whole way. I think they will value having some flexibility in free agency and being below the tax line more.

NO obviously wouldn’t want to give AD up, but if they can get $30m in cap relief, 2-3 young players with some upside, and 2-3 draft picks, I think they at least consider that offer. Is it really so hard to imagine their management looking at a team of Jrue Holiday, LaVine, Valentine, Portis, Boogie, whatever rookie they draft this year, 4 1st rd picks in the next 2 drafts (2 from us, 2 of their own), and some cap space to sign FAs as not a decent return for losing AD???

Now that is just one scenario. You can basically replace Davis’s name with anyone next season who a team wants to move on from. But if we keep Niko and RoLo then next year we can look at guys with 1 or 2 years left on their deals who teams might consider moving for fear of losing them for no return. Here are some players on bad teams, small market teams, or teams that are capped out and will be hitting UFA soon (meaning their team will want to get something for them for fear of possibly losing them for nothing):

Kemba Walker
Kevin Love
DeMar DeRozan
Harrison Barnes
Nikola Jokic
Klay Thompson
Dramond Green
Anthony Davis
Andre Drummond
Hassan Whiteside

Obviously, some of them will get extensions, but I could also see some of them being moved. We could offer a package of $30ish mil in expiring contracts, LaVine (or Dunn), 1-2 of our young rotation guys, and 1-2 draft picks for someone. That’s really not a bad haul for a team if they are planning on losing the player anyway. Not many teams can offer that kind of compensation. Then once we have that player, it will make us more appealing for someone else to come want to team up with them. I like that scenario more than trading Niko and RoLo for a late 1st this year and hoping we get a pick high enough to get a difference maker in the lottery. Both scenarios are calculated risks, I personally like the build through trade and FA route a little better right now.

[Rose2Boozer]

Bulls trade Mirotic and Payne to the Kings for Randolph and Labissiere.

***Bulls waive Randolph

[xpmar9x]

Mirotic and Holiday for Kelly Oubre and wizards 1st Rd pick

I'd be happy with Mirotic and Holiday just for Kelly Oubre. I think he'd fit this core really well than use our pick on A center probably JJJ or Wendell Carter JR.

That's
Pg: Dunn
SG: Lavine
SF Kelly Oubre JR
PF: Markannen
C: JJJ/Wendell Carter JR

That's a sold core right there

ou

I've been pushing for Niko for Oubre (essentially straight-up, but realistically with salary filler), but general sense from board is that Washington values Oubre > than Niko. No way does adding Holiday, get us their 1st too...probably not enough for Oubre alone (although I think it's a good deal for them).

If the WAS board values Oubre > than Niko.. what about:

Niko, Lopez, & Grant for Oubre, Mahinmi, & '18 1st?

Lopez makes 2-3m less than Mahinmi & Rolo expires a year sooner. Wiz upgrade backup C, save money, add a stretch 4, & Grant is an improvement over Frazier as PG2. We get our SF of the future... pending payment.

[ChiTownHero1992]

Mirotic and Holiday for Kelly Oubre and wizards 1st Rd pick

I'd be happy with Mirotic and Holiday just for Kelly Oubre. I think he'd fit this core really well than use our pick on A center probably JJJ or Wendell Carter JR.

That's
Pg: Dunn
SG: Lavine
SF Kelly Oubre JR
PF: Markannen
C: JJJ/Wendell Carter JR

That's a sold core right there

ou

I've been pushing for Niko for Oubre (essentially straight-up, but realistically with salary filler), but general sense from board is that Washington values Oubre > than Niko. No way does adding Holiday, get us their 1st too...probably not enough for Oubre alone (although I think it's a good deal for them).

If the WAS board values Oubre > than Niko.. what about:

Niko, Lopez, & Grant for Oubre, Mahinmi, & '18 1st?

Lopez makes 2-3m less than Mahinmi & Rolo expires a year sooner. Wiz upgrade backup C, save money, add a stretch 4, & Grant is an improvement over Frazier as PG2. We get our SF of the future... pending payment.

I don't see them doing it at all, they are high on Oubre...they add Niko without moving any significant PF (Scott, Morris) and add Lopez with only losing Mahinmi still having (Gortat and Smith). Then they don't have a back up SF at all, and you gave them Grant but they already have Satoransky.

[musiqsoulchild]

Niko + Zach for Shumpert + Love + Cavs pick + Cedi Ossman.

Cavs drop a crap ton of salary and get way better fitting pieces around LeBron. They are ready for either eventuality ...LeBron leaving or staying

We eat a LOT of salary....but look like this going forward..

Dunn / Grant
Holiday / Valentine / Iman
Cedi / Nwaba
Lauri / Portis / Felicio
Love / Lopez

With 2 draft picks and cap room to fill gaps.

[leo921]

Right now the Bulls have the 8th pick and Orlando has the 2nd pick. Lets pretend this holds at the draft as well. Orlando has a lot of holes to fill and they are sick of being bad and having no hope or direction. I have a trade idea that helps us land top pick to add to our young core and gives Orlando some help.

Bulls trade - 8th pick, Dunn, Niko, Payne
for
Magic trade -2nd pick, biyombo, Augustin

Bulls - Now our young core is complete ( Lavine, Markkanen, Donic/Ayton) all locked into good contracts, with this we can build the team around them and be even better in the future. Young good talent with room for talent in free agency.

Augustin/Grant
Lavine/Nwaba
Donic/Valentine
Markkanen/Portis
Lopez/ Felico Biymobo

Augustin/Grant
Lavine/Nwaba
Holiday/Valentine
Markkanen/Portis
Ayton/Lopez/ Biymobo

Magic - They get rid of Biyombo and his bad contract, start building a team with depth, talent and direction. They can resign Gordon and let go of Payton at PG. He has been holding them back with poor spacing and now wants to get paid. Dunn is better and still on a rookie contract. Moving forward they have a better team, with depth that can play at a fast pace.

Dunn/ Collin Sexton (8th pick)
Fournier/Ross
Simmons/Issac
Gordon/Niko
Vucevic/Speights

[Lauri_Legend]

Bulls trade: Niko, RoLo, Holiday and/or 2020 protected first round pick

Cavs: Love + Nets pick

Love could be the bad contract we absorb. He has a player option after next year. His contract officially expires in 2 years.

[Ccwatercraft]

unless Clevelend gives up the nets pick i'm content to let them plug along and get beat in the playoffs, I hate the idea of helping them.

[jc23]

Lillard not happy in Portland, started looking at trade possibilities then saw his age. turns 28 in july and that doesnt exactly fit with this very young core.

[ChiTownHero1992]

Lillard not happy in Portland, started looking at trade possibilities then saw his age. turns 28 in july and that doesnt exactly fit with this very young core.

There is no chance to get him anyway, Portland would demand basically the entire package we got for Butler....they'd want Lauri, our 1st and more likely.

[xpmar9x]

Lillard not happy in Portland, started looking at trade possibilities then saw his age. turns 28 in july and that doesnt exactly fit with this very young core.

Wonder if there's a Lilliard for IT/Love type deal possibility? Like it for both teams considering ITs expiring and if I was a GM wouldnt be willing to py him.

[drosestruts]

Mirotic and Holiday for Kelly Oubre and wizards 1st Rd pick

I've argued against trading Mirotic a lot in the Mirotic thread, but only because I don't like the returns that have been rumored.

I would do this trade for sure though.

[mack2354]

Hopefully K. Leonard becomes malcontent enough in San Antonio to force a trade. You gotta give up anybody but Lauri for a chance at Leonard.

[ChiTownHero1992]

Hopefully K. Leonard becomes malcontent enough in San Antonio to force a trade. You gotta give up anybody but Lauri for a chance at Leonard.

Why not just let him opt out and try to sign him...that way we don't lose assets