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Post#301 » by 2010 » Tue Jan 23, 2018 2:04 am

Nykbacker wrote:Wily absolutely should be playing Kyle OQuinns minutes. How can anyone argue otherwise? Hornacek is sabotaging the kids career.


You are being dramatic. KOQ has a player option and is certain to opt out cuz it's his best chance to get his first substantial payday of his career. The team is maximizing it's asset by playing KOQ (who by the way is producing and justifying their decision to play him over Willy). If KOQ sits we are certain to get nothing for him. The more he plays and productive he is leading up to the trade deadline, the likelier it becomes that we have a shot at netting some type of asset for him. Even if it is a future 2nd round pick.

This is why Willy needs to remain patient and so do you posters. Perry has to do what is best for the team and the organization long term. KOQ is a goner soon. We need to let him play and see if we can net an asset. Hornacek equally is doing what he feels is playing the guys who give him the best shot at winning.

Likewise, if Willy feels like playing ANYWHERE is what's best for him as opposed to sitting, then he'd agree to go down to the G League and get his reps in and work on his game and his defense until the trade deadline passes. Once the deadline passes, if KOQ and/or Kanter are still here and ahead of him, then he'd have more grounds to whine and act like he isn't being given a fair shot. But the fact he been crying since OCTOBER makes it hard to sympathize for him.
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Post#302 » by newyorker4ever » Tue Jan 23, 2018 2:04 am

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Post#303 » by 2010 » Tue Jan 23, 2018 2:04 am

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But you have to put yourself in his shoes. Maybe he feels like he's better than O'quinn and he feels like the coach isn't giving him a fair chance. Maybe he feels he is working his butt off. Maybe he feels like he's got one chance to show he belongs before he goes back home.

I have no issue with that thinking, no player would ever admit someone is better than them. I'd expect no less on that front.

He should believe those things, but I do think a player should also wait for their turn, and continue working for it, especially a 2nd year player.


Yeah that's the advice I'd give him but I just don't have a problem with him choosing to request a trade.


We don't either....Privately.
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Post#304 » by ibraheim718 » Tue Jan 23, 2018 2:09 am

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Thugger HBC wrote:I have no issue with that thinking, no player would ever admit someone is better than them. I'd expect no less on that front.

He should believe those things, but I do think a player should also wait for their turn, and continue working for it, especially a 2nd year player.


Yeah that's the advice I'd give him but I just don't have a problem with him choosing to request a trade.


We don't either....Privately.


Wait.. how about the team keep private how "teams are really interested" in him? You see the hypocrisy? They can float trade rumors but he can't say he wants to be traded?
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Post#305 » by 2010 » Tue Jan 23, 2018 2:12 am

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Yeah that's the advice I'd give him but I just don't have a problem with him choosing to request a trade.


We don't either....Privately.


Wait.. how about the team keep private how "teams are really interested" in him? You see the hypocrisy? They can float trade rumors but he can't say he wants to be traded?


How you know that's not the work of his agent? How can you be so certain that someone from the front office is the source?
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Post#306 » by ibraheim718 » Tue Jan 23, 2018 2:13 am

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We don't either....Privately.


Wait.. how about the team keep private how "teams are really interested" in him? You see the hypocrisy? They can float trade rumors but he can't say he wants to be traded?


How you know that's not the work of his agent? How can you be so certain that someone from the front office is the source?


How do you know it is?
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Post#307 » by ibraheim718 » Tue Jan 23, 2018 2:15 am

News came a couple of months ago that NBA teams have shown interest in trading for New York Knicks center Willy Hernangomez.

According to Stefan Bondy of the NY Daily News, teams are still very interested in Hernangomez, but they’re asking the Knicks why he hasn’t been playing much this season.

I’m sure Hernangomez not playing much has hurt his trade value, but despite interest from teams around the league, I can’t imagine that the Knicks want to deal the 23 year-old.



With the Knicks unlikely able to get rid of Joakim Noah, Kyle O’Quinn set to opt out of his contract after this season, while Enes Kanter is expected to pick up his own player option this summer, barring an injury to Kanter or O’Quinn, I’m not sure how Hernangomez is going to get more minutes.

The best move for the Knicks would be to trade O’Quinn, but I can’t imagine there is a team that wants him, due to the fact that he’s going to likely test the free agent market after this season.

I think the only way the Knicks give up Hernangomez is if a team makes them an offer they can’t refuse. I don’t see that happening.


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Post#308 » by 2010 » Tue Jan 23, 2018 2:15 am

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Wait.. how about the team keep private how "teams are really interested" in him? You see the hypocrisy? They can float trade rumors but he can't say he wants to be traded?


How you know that's not the work of his agent? How can you be so certain that someone from the front office is the source?


How do you know it is?


I'm not the one who made the statement that it was the team leaking that info. You did. So the burden of proof lies with you.
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Post#309 » by 2010 » Tue Jan 23, 2018 2:17 am

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News came a couple of months ago that NBA teams have shown interest in trading for New York Knicks center Willy Hernangomez.

According to Stefan Bondy of the NY Daily News, teams are still very interested in Hernangomez, but they’re asking the Knicks why he hasn’t been playing much this season.

I’m sure Hernangomez not playing much has hurt his trade value, but despite interest from teams around the league, I can’t imagine that the Knicks want to deal the 23 year-old.



With the Knicks unlikely able to get rid of Joakim Noah, Kyle O’Quinn set to opt out of his contract after this season, while Enes Kanter is expected to pick up his own player option this summer, barring an injury to Kanter or O’Quinn, I’m not sure how Hernangomez is going to get more minutes.

The best move for the Knicks would be to trade O’Quinn, but I can’t imagine there is a team that wants him, due to the fact that he’s going to likely test the free agent market after this season.

I think the only way the Knicks give up Hernangomez is if a team makes them an offer they can’t refuse. I don’t see that happening.


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That quote doesn't prove it came from the team. That could have easily been his agent. If that was from the team it can be construed as taking a shot at coach Hornacek for not giving Willy PT and making him a more valued asset in the eyes of potential trade partners. So from that slant alone I can conclude his agent is the leaker.
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Post#311 » by ibraheim718 » Tue Jan 23, 2018 2:19 am

2010 wrote:
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How you know that's not the work of his agent? How can you be so certain that someone from the front office is the source?


How do you know it is?


I'm not the one who made the statement that it was the team leaking that info. You did. So the burden of proof lies with you.


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Post#312 » by ibraheim718 » Tue Jan 23, 2018 2:19 am

2010 wrote:
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News came a couple of months ago that NBA teams have shown interest in trading for New York Knicks center Willy Hernangomez.

According to Stefan Bondy of the NY Daily News, teams are still very interested in Hernangomez, but they’re asking the Knicks why he hasn’t been playing much this season.

I’m sure Hernangomez not playing much has hurt his trade value, but despite interest from teams around the league, I can’t imagine that the Knicks want to deal the 23 year-old.



With the Knicks unlikely able to get rid of Joakim Noah, Kyle O’Quinn set to opt out of his contract after this season, while Enes Kanter is expected to pick up his own player option this summer, barring an injury to Kanter or O’Quinn, I’m not sure how Hernangomez is going to get more minutes.

The best move for the Knicks would be to trade O’Quinn, but I can’t imagine there is a team that wants him, due to the fact that he’s going to likely test the free agent market after this season.

I think the only way the Knicks give up Hernangomez is if a team makes them an offer they can’t refuse. I don’t see that happening.


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That quote doesn't prove it came from the team. That could have easily been his agent. If that was from the team it can be construed as taking a shot at coach Hornacek for not giving Willy PT and making him a more valued asset in the eyes of potential trade partners. So from that slant alone I can conclude his agent is the leaker.


I'm sure you can. :lol:
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Post#313 » by ibraheim718 » Tue Jan 23, 2018 2:24 am

This guy has a great agent.

As the February 8 trade deadline approaches, several teams are interested in Knicks center Willy Hernangomez, per ESPN sources. Hernangomez, 23, has had a limited role this season with New York. He hasn't played in 13 of the Knicks' past 16 games as Enes Kanter and Kyle O'Quinn have filled out the Knicks' rotation at center. The opposing teams who have expressed interest in Hernangomez feel that he has value after his promising rookie season in 2016-17 (8.2 points, 7.0 rebounds per game in 18 minutes). Teams having interest in a player and completing a deal for one are two very different things, of course. But it's not unreasonable to think Hernangomez could be acquired for the right return. New York has four centers on the roster (Kanter, O'Quinn, Hernangomez and Joakim Noah) and opposing teams believe that one of the centers will likely be available via trade as the deadline approaches.
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Post#314 » by 2010 » Tue Jan 23, 2018 2:25 am

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“I would like to stay here, but I don’t close doors to anything. What I want is to play. There’s a few weeks left till the trade deadline and I want to play.

“I’ve enjoyed the experience of playing in New York. I love the city, the fans, my teammates . . . but I’m 23, I’m ambitious, I’m hungry and want to play.

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Post#315 » by brooklynbrawler » Tue Jan 23, 2018 2:26 am

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Now you bringing ethnicity into it. You reaching like hell bro :lol:

What does him being European have to do with saying if I was a team leader and he kept on about this schit I would step to him?

You "claim" you played organized ball at a high level. You never checked a teammate who was exhibiting toxic behavior detrimental to the team? Ohhhh, maybe if you did ever step to a player, this is your thought process cuz you are self-projecting. Like maybe you would cherry pick teammates. Only picking on soft dudes.

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I wasn't that kind of player. I turned trash into gold. If a guy was on my team I empowered him. It was the other team I had problems with. None of this has anything to do with the point anyway.

Any player is entitled to ask for a trade. The kid wants to play. I respect that.


I am all for motivating others. But Willy's stance is marginalizing Kanter, KOQ, and Noah to an extent. He is being a bit disrespectful to the vets in front of him who had to wait their chance. KOQ sat out of the rotation for a portion of last year. He was behind Noah and Willy on the depth chart for a while. He did not speak to the media once about his PT.

I respect players wanting to play. But I also respect being a team player even more. Willy is essentially putting himself above the team without even being willing to endure the smallest of adversity or letting the process play out naturally.


He's not marginalizing them, if he said "I deserve to be on the court" then he would be marginalizing them. Everybody can relate to the fact that he wants to play. It's not unheard of for players to ask for trades out of a logjam.
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Post#316 » by Knicksfan20 » Tue Jan 23, 2018 2:35 am

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Nykbacker wrote:Wily absolutely should be playing Kyle OQuinns minutes. How can anyone argue otherwise? Hornacek is sabotaging the kids career.


You are being dramatic. KOQ has a player option and is certain to opt out cuz it's his best chance to get his first substantial payday of his career. The team is maximizing it's asset by playing KOQ (who by the way is producing and justifying their decision to play him over Willy). If KOQ sits we are certain to get nothing for him. The more he plays and productive he is leading up to the trade deadline, the likelier it becomes that we have a shot at netting some type of asset for him. Even if it is a future 2nd round pick.

This is why Willy needs to remain patient and so do you posters. Perry has to do what is best for the team and the organization long term. KOQ is a goner soon. We need to let him play and see if we can net an asset. Hornacek equally is doing what he feels is playing the guys who give him the best shot at winning.

Likewise, if Willy feels like playing ANYWHERE is what's best for him as opposed to sitting, then he'd agree to go down to the G League and get his reps in and work on his game and his defense until the trade deadline passes. Once the deadline passes, if KOQ and/or Kanter are still here and ahead of him, then he'd have more grounds to whine and act like he isn't being given a fair shot. But the fact he been crying since OCTOBER makes it hard to sympathize for him.


Baffles me how he hasn’t gone down to the G league yet. Just shows how incompetent and stupid this franchise is. If all the kid wants to do is play, give him 36 mpg in the g league.

If he complains or says no? You tell him to stfu because I own you for the next 3 seasons and if your marshmellow ass wants to get paid, you bettter show up tomorrow in Westchester 0700 hours you pansy ass.

It’s really such an easy solution. Willy has no say in the matter.
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Post#317 » by BBALLER4FR » Tue Jan 23, 2018 2:41 am

Nykbacker wrote:Wily absolutely should be playing Kyle OQuinns minutes. How can anyone argue otherwise? Hornacek is sabotaging the kids career.


Then he should play well enough to force Hornaceck's hand. I get Hornaceck is biased and might overlook it, but everyone can see Kyle plays better than Willy. Willy didn't come into this season like he wanted it. He came in like it should be given to him. O'Quinn for all his flaws is pure hustle. He passes just as well as Hernangomez and he makes his presence felt. Even when Willy was good, he was finesse. He's soft both physically and mentally. His post moves are the only clear advantage he has on O'Quinn.
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Post#318 » by Sark » Tue Jan 23, 2018 3:08 am

BBALLER4FR wrote:
Nykbacker wrote:Wily absolutely should be playing Kyle OQuinns minutes. How can anyone argue otherwise? Hornacek is sabotaging the kids career.


Then he should play well enough to force Hornaceck's hand. I get Hornaceck is biased and might overlook it, but everyone can see Kyle plays better than Willy. Willy didn't come into this season like he wanted it. He came in like it should be given to him. O'Quinn for all his flaws is pure hustle. He passes just as well as Hernangomez and he makes his presence felt. Even when Willy was good, he was finesse. He's soft both physically and mentally. His post moves are the only clear advantage he has on O'Quinn.



He has played just about as well as KOQ in the limited minutes he gets.

KOQ per36 15/12/4
Willy per36 17/11/3

The difference between the 2 isn't so much that KOQ should have >4x the amount of minutes that Willy. Hornacek has absolutely shown favoritism towards vets, despite the team saying it was building for the youth.
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Post#319 » by nedleeds » Tue Jan 23, 2018 3:40 am

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I would also like to play basketball because you know, it's my **** career, I know that's super controversial. But maybe you can warp me saying I want to stay here and play basketball into, "I DEMAND A TRADE".
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Post#320 » by BBALLER4FR » Tue Jan 23, 2018 3:55 am

Sark wrote:
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Nykbacker wrote:Wily absolutely should be playing Kyle OQuinns minutes. How can anyone argue otherwise? Hornacek is sabotaging the kids career.


Then he should play well enough to force Hornaceck's hand. I get Hornaceck is biased and might overlook it, but everyone can see Kyle plays better than Willy. Willy didn't come into this season like he wanted it. He came in like it should be given to him. O'Quinn for all his flaws is pure hustle. He passes just as well as Hernangomez and he makes his presence felt. Even when Willy was good, he was finesse. He's soft both physically and mentally. His post moves are the only clear advantage he has on O'Quinn.



He has played just about as well as KOQ in the limited minutes he gets.

KOQ per36 15/12/4
Willy per36 17/11/3

The difference between the 2 isn't so much that KOQ should have >4x the amount of minutes that Willy. Hornacek has absolutely shown favoritism towards vets, despite the team saying it was building for the youth.


I agree he's shown favoritism towards vets. But Willy made it easy to defend Hornaceck which is a sin. I feel for Frank. I feel for Dontson and Burke. S#it, I even feel for Baker because he leaves it on the floor. Willy, when given the chance, has looked like he's scrimmaging. The only reason people still want him to play is because they remember what he did last year and they think placating him will be enough incentive to play like he gives a damn. Who wants to deal with that?
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