Willy Hernangomez wants to get traded by the deadline per hoopshype and marca.com

[Sark]

Then he should play well enough to force Hornaceck's hand. I get Hornaceck is biased and might overlook it, but everyone can see Kyle plays better than Willy. Willy didn't come into this season like he wanted it. He came in like it should be given to him. O'Quinn for all his flaws is pure hustle. He passes just as well as Hernangomez and he makes his presence felt. Even when Willy was good, he was finesse. He's soft both physically and mentally. His post moves are the only clear advantage he has on O'Quinn.

He has played just about as well as KOQ in the limited minutes he gets.

KOQ per36 15/12/4
Willy per36 17/11/3

The difference between the 2 isn't so much that KOQ should have >4x the amount of minutes that Willy. Hornacek has absolutely shown favoritism towards vets, despite the team saying it was building for the youth.

I agree he's shown favoritism towards vets. But Willy made it easy to defend Hornaceck which is a sin. I feel for Frank. I feel for Dontson and Burke. S#it, I even feel for Baker because he leaves it on the floor. Willy, when given the chance, has looked like he's scrimmaging. The only reason people still want him to play is because they remember what he did last year and they think placating him will be enough incentive to play like he gives a damn. Who wants to deal with that?

Come on. Dude put up 14/10/3 on Dec 4 in 17 minutes. That was followed up with 6 straight DNP-CD's. KOQ didn't do sht in those following games to put himself so far ahead of Willy that he gets plastered to the bench.

The coach is a fcking joke. He's obviously relying on his vets and coaching for his job, since he doesn't have an extension. He could care less about developing the kids. That's partly on management as well. They need to give him some security so that he can take more risks, and play Frank, KP, and Willy together. You know, the core that Merry Pills boasted about in the offseason.

[Capn'O]

Wily absolutely should be playing Kyle OQuinns minutes. How can anyone argue otherwise? Hornacek is sabotaging the kids career.

You are being dramatic. KOQ has a player option and is certain to opt out cuz it's his best chance to get his first substantial payday of his career. The team is maximizing it's asset by playing KOQ (who by the way is producing and justifying their decision to play him over Willy). If KOQ sits we are certain to get nothing for him. The more he plays and productive he is leading up to the trade deadline, the likelier it becomes that we have a shot at netting some type of asset for him. Even if it is a future 2nd round pick.

This is why Willy needs to remain patient and so do you posters. Perry has to do what is best for the team and the organization long term. KOQ is a goner soon. We need to let him play and see if we can net an asset. Hornacek equally is doing what he feels is playing the guys who give him the best shot at winning.

Likewise, if Willy feels like playing ANYWHERE is what's best for him as opposed to sitting, then he'd agree to go down to the G League and get his reps in and work on his game and his defense until the trade deadline passes. Once the deadline passes, if KOQ and/or Kanter are still here and ahead of him, then he'd have more grounds to whine and act like he isn't being given a fair shot. But the fact he been crying since OCTOBER makes it hard to sympathize for him.

Baffles me how he hasn’t gone down to the G league yet. Just shows how incompetent and stupid this franchise is. If all the kid wants to do is play, give him 36 mpg in the g league.

If he complains or says no? You tell him to stfu because I own you for the next 3 seasons and if your marshmellow ass wants to get paid, you bettter show up tomorrow in Westchester 0700 hours you pansy ass.

It’s really such an easy solution. Willy has no say in the matter.

Totally agree. I had meant to add that this is what the Lakers are doing with Zubac.

[Thugger HBC]

Wily absolutely should be playing Kyle OQuinns minutes. How can anyone argue otherwise? Hornacek is sabotaging the kids career.

Then he should play well enough to force Hornaceck's hand. I get Hornaceck is biased and might overlook it, but everyone can see Kyle plays better than Willy. Willy didn't come into this season like he wanted it. He came in like it should be given to him. O'Quinn for all his flaws is pure hustle. He passes just as well as Hernangomez and he makes his presence felt. Even when Willy was good, he was finesse. He's soft both physically and mentally. His post moves are the only clear advantage he has on O'Quinn.

He has played just about as well as KOQ in the limited minutes he gets.

KOQ per36 15/12/4
Willy per36 17/11/3

The difference between the 2 isn't so much that KOQ should have >4x the amount of minutes that Willy. Hornacek has absolutely shown favoritism towards vets, despite the team saying it was building for the youth.

The difference in age doesn't justify calling them vets either, unless a guy 2 years older than Willy is a vet, and a 28 year old is now considered a vet.

[HEZI]

Can't believe I'm gonna defend Jeff but if he really was only favoring vets then he would be playing Joakim Noah. It's a little strange that a former DPOY, former All Star is just sitting quiet and not complaining while this 2nd round pick who's done absolutely nothing in his career is whining and complaining about playing time.

[Jay10]

Willy saw those posters of him, frank, and Kristaps all summer, and thought the starter job was going to be his by default.

[ozwizard8]

Can't believe I'm gonna defend Jeff but if he really was only favoring vets then he would be playing Joakim Noah. It's a little strange that a former DPOY, former All Star is just sitting quiet and not complaining while this 2nd round pick who's done absolutely nothing in his career is whining and complaining about playing time.

J.Noah got his last big paycheck from Phil.
He doesnt need anything now. He has serious health concerns anyway.

Willy needs to show himself for his future.
Willy needs playing time to develop his game.

J.Noah is doing pretty pretty pretty good. He doesnt have any of Willy's concerns for himself.

[HEZI]

Can't believe I'm gonna defend Jeff but if he really was only favoring vets then he would be playing Joakim Noah. It's a little strange that a former DPOY, former All Star is just sitting quiet and not complaining while this 2nd round pick who's done absolutely nothing in his career is whining and complaining about playing time.

J.Noah got his last big paycheck from Phil.
He doesnt need anything now. He has serious health concerns anyway.

Willy needs to show himself for his future.
Willy needs playing time to develop his game.

J.Noah is doing pretty pretty pretty good. He doesnt have any of Willy's concerns for himself.

So Willy is just trying to get paid is what it boils down to then, right?

How's that any different than Enes wanting to get paid and outworking him or KOQ trying to get paid and outworking him? He's getting outworked by two guys that want it more than he does, that's why he's crying.

[ChilledAlex]

I don't recall Willy being soft and terrible defender.

it's 100% the reason why he's not playing.

The reason he is not playing is because Jeff is a moron.

[Phish Tank]

Willy still looks pudgy to me...


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[Bklyn&company]

Those Willy Articles are not recent.. they are old... stop getting sucked in. Stop believing everything click bait writer's write. Willy never said he wants to get traded period! Cmon guys you all smarter than this.... lock this zhit up MOD's....

[FlashFlood]

Willy's going to find that the grass isn't greener out there. Teams just don't need David Lee types like him

[TheDavinciCHODE]

Not sure why anyone wants to keep Willy....there's no place for players like him in the modern NBA. There are guys like Kanter and Valencinus who are literally WHG's absolute ceilings, and they struggle to get minutes anywhere.

Of course, there's always SOME room for a guy who can get buckets off the bench, but do we really want to keep a guy whose ceiling is an OK bench big?

What makes people think WHG is going to be a good player? Sure, he can get some buckets and knock in a jumpshot, but he does nothing of value in the modern NBA. Can't shoot 3's, can't make plays, can't get to the line, can't protect the rim, can't make space, etc.

So not sure why anyone wants to keep him. Of course, he's really cheap. Which is nice ! but we should put him into a deal as a sweetner and get a better long-term asset from a dumb team that has an old-school mentality.

I remember last year arguing with fans on this board that Willy had a chance to be Mark Gasol.......people are delusional. WHG can't even outplay KOQ to get minutes.

Not that I dislike the kid or anything, he just is a dinosaur. Post bigs need to be ELITE like Jokic to be difference makers...WHG is never going to be that player.

[JohnWillow]

u know lebron don't wanna play with kanter lol

He can come off the bench

I don't think lebron wants him on the bench either

you know if Kanter is traded to the Cavs, Lebron will pay the pilot and Cavs owner to allow him to fly an airplane with his team to Turkey as a road trip game, he will give Kanter some sleeping pills and when they land in Turkey wake him up.

[JohnWillow]

i was trashing him last season when people were thinking to build around him over kristaps

you are trashing everyone, that doesn't count

yeah I remember people saying he is better than KP, but that just shows how appreciated he was when he actually was playing. everyone forgot his soft hands, his great finishing around the rim and synergy with KP

and everyone forgot just how soft he is and how brutal defensively he is.

everyone forgets the dumb turnovers he commits and how everyone is out of place defensively when he’s on the floor.

scoring 14 points means nothing if you give up 20 points on the end.

And how he was almost posterized this season by freaking Zhou Qi.

[thebuzzardman]

Not sure why anyone wants to keep Willy....there's no place for players like him in the modern NBA. There are guys like Kanter and Valencinus who are literally WHG's absolute ceilings, and they struggle to get minutes anywhere.

Of course, there's always SOME room for a guy who can get buckets off the bench, but do we really want to keep a guy whose ceiling is an OK bench big?

What makes people think WHG is going to be a good player? Sure, he can get some buckets and knock in a jumpshot, but he does nothing of value in the modern NBA. Can't shoot 3's, can't make plays, can't get to the line, can't protect the rim, can't make space, etc.

So not sure why anyone wants to keep him. Of course, he's really cheap. Which is nice ! but we should put him into a deal as a sweetner and get a better long-term asset from a dumb team that has an old-school mentality.

I remember last year arguing with fans on this board that Willy had a chance to be Mark Gasol.......people are delusional. WHG can't even outplay KOQ to get minutes.

Not that I dislike the kid or anything, he just is a dinosaur. Post bigs need to be ELITE like Jokic to be difference makers...WHG is never going to be that player.

This also means there is no place for Kanter, KOQ or Noah as well.

[Reign23]

Wily absolutely should be playing Kyle OQuinns minutes. How can anyone argue otherwise? Hornacek is sabotaging the kids career.

You are being dramatic. KOQ has a player option and is certain to opt out cuz it's his best chance to get his first substantial payday of his career. The team is maximizing it's asset by playing KOQ (who by the way is producing and justifying their decision to play him over Willy). If KOQ sits we are certain to get nothing for him. The more he plays and productive he is leading up to the trade deadline, the likelier it becomes that we have a shot at netting some type of asset for him. Even if it is a future 2nd round pick.

This is why Willy needs to remain patient and so do you posters. Perry has to do what is best for the team and the organization long term. KOQ is a goner soon. We need to let him play and see if we can net an asset. Hornacek equally is doing what he feels is playing the guys who give him the best shot at winning.

Likewise, if Willy feels like playing ANYWHERE is what's best for him as opposed to sitting, then he'd agree to go down to the G League and get his reps in and work on his game and his defense until the trade deadline passes. Once the deadline passes, if KOQ and/or Kanter are still here and ahead of him, then he'd have more grounds to whine and act like he isn't being given a fair shot. But the fact he been crying since OCTOBER makes it hard to sympathize for him.

I agree that we should play him to maximize his value, BUT now they won't trade him because he is "crucial for the playoff run" and a "very important part of the locker room". can't you see it? btw the perfect time to move kyle was at last years deadline. he was playing great and had 1,5 years left on a great contract. the knicks just don't stockpile assets. they never have and never will.

[2010]

Wily absolutely should be playing Kyle OQuinns minutes. How can anyone argue otherwise? Hornacek is sabotaging the kids career.

You are being dramatic. KOQ has a player option and is certain to opt out cuz it's his best chance to get his first substantial payday of his career. The team is maximizing it's asset by playing KOQ (who by the way is producing and justifying their decision to play him over Willy). If KOQ sits we are certain to get nothing for him. The more he plays and productive he is leading up to the trade deadline, the likelier it becomes that we have a shot at netting some type of asset for him. Even if it is a future 2nd round pick.

This is why Willy needs to remain patient and so do you posters. Perry has to do what is best for the team and the organization long term. KOQ is a goner soon. We need to let him play and see if we can net an asset. Hornacek equally is doing what he feels is playing the guys who give him the best shot at winning.

Likewise, if Willy feels like playing ANYWHERE is what's best for him as opposed to sitting, then he'd agree to go down to the G League and get his reps in and work on his game and his defense until the trade deadline passes. Once the deadline passes, if KOQ and/or Kanter are still here and ahead of him, then he'd have more grounds to whine and act like he isn't being given a fair shot. But the fact he been crying since OCTOBER makes it hard to sympathize for him.

I agree that we should play him to maximize his value, BUT now they won't trade him because he is "crucial for the playoff run" and a "very important part of the locker room". can't you see it? btw the perfect time to move kyle was at last years deadline. he was playing great and had 1,5 years left on a great contract. the knicks just don't stockpile assets. they never have and never will.

I'll believe the portion I bolded when the trade deadline comes and goes and KOQ is still here. Until then, I trust that Perry is trying his best to move him. Reports in media outlets have supported that claim thus far.

I do agree that last season's trade deadline was the opportune time to move him. But Perry wasn't in our organization and Phil had a track record for poor trades so maybe that explains it.

[nedleeds]

Not sure why anyone wants to keep Willy....there's no place for players like him in the modern NBA. There are guys like Kanter and Valencinus who are literally WHG's absolute ceilings, and they struggle to get minutes anywhere.

Of course, there's always SOME room for a guy who can get buckets off the bench, but do we really want to keep a guy whose ceiling is an OK bench big?

What makes people think WHG is going to be a good player? Sure, he can get some buckets and knock in a jumpshot, but he does nothing of value in the modern NBA. Can't shoot 3's, can't make plays, can't get to the line, can't protect the rim, can't make space, etc.

So not sure why anyone wants to keep him. Of course, he's really cheap. Which is nice ! but we should put him into a deal as a sweetner and get a better long-term asset from a dumb team that has an old-school mentality.

I remember last year arguing with fans on this board that Willy had a chance to be Mark Gasol.......people are delusional. WHG can't even outplay KOQ to get minutes.

Not that I dislike the kid or anything, he just is a dinosaur. Post bigs need to be ELITE like Jokic to be difference makers...WHG is never going to be that player.

This also means there is no place for Kanter, KOQ or Noah as well.

Yeah. It's almost like there's a limit on how much you can spend on players and we're advocating keeping the one making the minimum for years.

[Reign23]

You are being dramatic. KOQ has a player option and is certain to opt out cuz it's his best chance to get his first substantial payday of his career. The team is maximizing it's asset by playing KOQ (who by the way is producing and justifying their decision to play him over Willy). If KOQ sits we are certain to get nothing for him. The more he plays and productive he is leading up to the trade deadline, the likelier it becomes that we have a shot at netting some type of asset for him. Even if it is a future 2nd round pick.

This is why Willy needs to remain patient and so do you posters. Perry has to do what is best for the team and the organization long term. KOQ is a goner soon. We need to let him play and see if we can net an asset. Hornacek equally is doing what he feels is playing the guys who give him the best shot at winning.

Likewise, if Willy feels like playing ANYWHERE is what's best for him as opposed to sitting, then he'd agree to go down to the G League and get his reps in and work on his game and his defense until the trade deadline passes. Once the deadline passes, if KOQ and/or Kanter are still here and ahead of him, then he'd have more grounds to whine and act like he isn't being given a fair shot. But the fact he been crying since OCTOBER makes it hard to sympathize for him.

I agree that we should play him to maximize his value, BUT now they won't trade him because he is "crucial for the playoff run" and a "very important part of the locker room". can't you see it? btw the perfect time to move kyle was at last years deadline. he was playing great and had 1,5 years left on a great contract. the knicks just don't stockpile assets. they never have and never will.

I'll believe the portion I bolded when the trade deadline comes and goes and KOQ is still here. Until then, I trust that Perry us trying his best to move him. Reports in media outlets have supported that claim thus far.

I do agree that last season's trade deadline was the opportune time to move him. But Perry wasn't in our organization and Phil had a track record for poor trades so maybe that explains it.

just hope you are right. we have to sell as much as possible.

[j4remi]

A 2nd year player should be treated the same as players that's been in the league several years longer? Sorry, I just don't endorse this fam.

What's the limit for years in the league before a player telling the press he wants opportunities on the floor switches from whining to being alright? It just seems like a clear double-standard when two players are making similar statements to the media but one is being characterized as whining while the other guy is fine to behave that way.

Not sure where the cancer part is referencing, haven't called him such, but yes....he is whining.

Go two or three pages back from my original post that started this conversation. The Kanter comment was a reference to a couple of pages with scattered cancer talk in the posts leading up to my original statement.

Berman keeps coming to him because he knows he'll get the answer he desires. Players want to play normally, I'll never disagree there. But most especially a 2nd year player would normally just say "I'm waiting my turn, meaning while I'm still working" and end it there.

But Willy isn't doing that, he's playing the entitled role and saying "play me or trade me". And that's not cool.

Again, I don't agree with double standards just because a guy was in the league longer. Willy's been on the Knicks longer, he waited his turn for half a season last year than took his opportunity and was a rebound shy of a double-double per game over the last three months of the season. I'm not sure how many players go from averaging near a double-double to benched without playing time, but I certainly don't picture any of them telling the media "I'm waiting my turn" regardless of how long they've been in the league.