Political Roundtable Part XVII

[dckingsfan]

But then they need to figure out the other side of the equation - otherwise your immigration policy is slanted the wrong way.

I think the Ds are only half right on the issue and it has really become a problem over time.

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[Zonkerbl]

See, this is what I've been saying about the two parties for a long time. The Republican party's problem is its business model is hypocrisy - since they can't admit out loud that they just represent rich people, they have to pretend they represent some other group that is easily fooled, mainly evangelicals and non-college educated old white people. No offense intended, Popper.

The Democrats' problem is they are a poorly cobbled together coalition of minority issues - marijuana legalization, african american oppression, lgbtqetc. issues, abortion/women's rights (which only a minority of women are interested in), none of whom really give a crap about each other. So their business model is incompetence, which we've seen a great example of today. They can't hold together as a group. They're easily divided.

[cammac]

But then they need to figure out the other side of the equation - otherwise your immigration policy is slanted the wrong way.

I think the Ds are only half right on the issue and it has really become a problem over time.

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In part of this I am on the Republican side on family reconciliation believe that direct family is fine parents, husband/wife and children are fine. In the case of older parents the family needs to be able to support them. In exceptional circumstance as in a refugee situation that could be expanded. The lottery system never seemed a reasonable way of immigration.

[Wizardspride]

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Kelly’s departure likely isn’t imminent, sources said. “He wants to stay longer than Reince [Priebus],” an outside adviser said. Trump can also hardly afford another high-level staff departure, which would trigger days of negative news cycles. “This could be like [Jeff] Sessions,” one of the Republicans explained, referring to Trump’s festering frustration about not being able to replace his attorney general.

But the prospect of a Trump-Kelly rupture became more probable as news of their clashes over immigration leaked.

Last week, Kelly reportedly infuriated Trump when he told Fox News that Trump had “evolved” on his position to build a southern border wall. Kelly further catalyzed Trump’s ire when he told Democratic lawmakers that Trump was “uninformed” when he made his campaign promise to build the wall. The next morning Trump rebutted his chief of staff with a tweet: “The Wall is the Wall, it has never changed or evolved from the first day I conceived of it.”

[Ruzious]

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#ReleaseTheMemo will go down as one of the dumbest things in recent memory, and that's really saying something

getting scurred??

Watch out there. You're showing your true troll colors. If your brain worked, you'd understand what Nunez is. It's a disgrace that Ryan hasn't replaced him.

[Pointgod]

No matter what side of the aisle you're on, I think we can all agree that getting CHIP funded for six more years is a GOOD THING.

Democrats should consider CHIP a win and use it as much. I think Schumer played this right in this instance. He didn’t give up any of his leverage and if Mcconell doesn’t live up to his word Schumer has every right to stand up there and call him a liar putting the pressure back on the Republicans and possibly giving the Dems more leverage for a clean DACA bill. I think McConnell realizes that Republicans would get the majority of the blame for the shutdown and came to a compromise.

[popper]

See, this is what I've been saying about the two parties for a long time. The Republican party's problem is its business model is hypocrisy - since they can't admit out loud that they just represent rich people, they have to pretend they represent some other group that is easily fooled, mainly evangelicals and non-college educated old white people. No offense intended, Popper.

The Democrats' problem is they are a poorly cobbled together coalition of minority issues - marijuana legalization, african american oppression, lgbtqetc. issues, abortion/women's rights (which only a minority of women are interested in), none of whom really give a crap about each other. So their business model is incompetence, which we've seen a great example of today. They can't hold together as a group. They're easily divided.

No offense taken. I am both financially well off and non-college educated. Not sure where I fit in to your equation though. The financial popper likes what the stock market is doing and the non-college educated popper wants others to have the same opportunities I had to climb out of the lower socioeconomic class.

Edit - so in your equation do I vote R because I’m well off or because I’m dumb

[Pointgod]

See, this is what I've been saying about the two parties for a long time. The Republican party's problem is its business model is hypocrisy - since they can't admit out loud that they just represent rich people, they have to pretend they represent some other group that is easily fooled, mainly evangelicals and non-college educated old white people. No offense intended, Popper.

The Democrats' problem is they are a poorly cobbled together coalition of minority issues - marijuana legalization, african american oppression, lgbtqetc. issues, abortion/women's rights (which only a minority of women are interested in), none of whom really give a crap about each other. So their business model is incompetence, which we've seen a great example of today. They can't hold together as a group. They're easily divided.

I’m going to respectfully disagree with this take here. The Democrats are a big tent and recognize the complexity of a lot of the problems that they address. Just look at the women’s march for example, it wasn’t just about women’s rights but also support for DACA, voting rights, reproductive rights the me too movement and more. This isnt an example of division but rather the limited power you have when in the minority party. A prolonged shutdown has real costs to hundreds of thousands of people and a prolonged shutdown doesn't help anybody nor would it actually get a resolution on DACA. Democrats got CHIP funded which is pretty **** important.

[closg00]

Pennsylvania court throws out congressional boundaries

Republicans hold onto power via gerrymandering, voter-suppression, and cheating. In 2012, with the then-newly gerrymandered districts. Democrats in PA won a statewide total of 80,000 more votes than Republicans in total for House candidates, yet Republics won 14 seats while the Dems won 6.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/pennsylvania-court-throws-congressional-boundaries-52528823

[dckingsfan]

See, this is what I've been saying about the two parties for a long time. The Republican party's problem is its business model is hypocrisy - since they can't admit out loud that they just represent rich people, they have to pretend they represent some other group that is easily fooled, mainly evangelicals and non-college educated old white people. No offense intended, Popper.

The Democrats' problem is they are a poorly cobbled together coalition of minority issues - marijuana legalization, african american oppression, lgbtqetc. issues, abortion/women's rights (which only a minority of women are interested in), none of whom really give a crap about each other. So their business model is incompetence, which we've seen a great example of today. They can't hold together as a group. They're easily divided.

I’m going to respectfully disagree with this take here. The Democrats are a big tent and recognize the complexity of a lot of the problems that they address. Just look at the women’s march for example, it wasn’t just about women’s rights but also support for DACA, voting rights, reproductive rights the me too movement and more. This isnt an example of division but rather the limited power you have when in the minority party. A prolonged shutdown has real costs to hundreds of thousands of people and a prolonged shutdown doesn't help anybody nor would it actually get a resolution on DACA. Democrats got CHIP funded which is pretty **** important.

Or maybe the way to say it is the Ds are the party of many special interest groups. And the way they govern reflects that - it becomes unwieldy and then those in the big tent get disenchanted because they spread themselves so thin... and that leads to incompetence in governing.

A perfect example is on the local level - they are the party of the public unions. But this usually isn't beneficial for the others under the big tent.

And maybe the women's march is a microcosm of that?
https://womenintheworld.com/2017/01/19/agenda-for-womens-march-on-washington-has-been-hijacked-by-organizers-bent-on-highlighting-womens-differences/?refresh

[dckingsfan]

And then there is this - figured you guys would find this funny:

https://professional-troublemaker.com/2018/01/22/nypd-upset-that-they-will-have-fewer-get-out-of-jail-free-cards-to-give-to-family-in-2018/

[stilldropin20]

you guys might enjoy this too.


https://www.scribd.com/document/369668690/Qanon-Decode-Four-Posts-Sunday-Jan-21-2018-Will-Sessions-Drop-the-Hammer-Vers-17-0-Jan-21-2018

[Wizardspride]

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A Michigan man was arrested after allegedly threatening to shoot and kill CNN employees, WGCL-TV reported Monday.

The FBI launched an investigation after the man, who is unnamed in the CBS report, reportedly called CNN 22 times about a week ago.

"Fake news. I'm coming to gun you all down," the man told a CNN operator, according to court documents obtained by WGCL-TV.

He allegedly later called CNN again, saying, "I'm smarter than you. More powerful than you. I have more guns than you. More manpower. Your cast is about to get gunned down in a matter of hours."

[stilldropin20]

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[stilldropin20]

and here.we.go.

"the tariffs are coming! the tariffs are coming!"

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[Zonkerbl]

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A Michigan man was arrested after allegedly threatening to shoot and kill CNN employees, WGCL-TV reported Monday.

The FBI launched an investigation after the man, who is unnamed in the CBS report, reportedly called CNN 22 times about a week ago.

"Fake news. I'm coming to gun you all down," the man told a CNN operator, according to court documents obtained by WGCL-TV.

He allegedly later called CNN again, saying, "I'm smarter than you. More powerful than you. I have more guns than you. More manpower. Your cast is about to get gunned down in a matter of hours."

Sure it wasn’t Trump himself?

Seriously, Trump is evil incarnate. It’s not like he doesn’t know he’s encouraging psychotic murderers to act out.

[verbal8]

Sure it wasn’t Trump himself?

Seriously, Trump is evil incarnate. It’s not like he doesn’t know he’s encouraging psychotic murderers to act out.

There obviously was something going on with this guy separate from being a Trump supporter. However all of the following had a role in this:
- Advocating unrestricted gun ownership as a right
- Discrediting Federal Law Enforcement
- Discrediting established reputable news sources

[Zonkerbl]

See, this is what I've been saying about the two parties for a long time. The Republican party's problem is its business model is hypocrisy - since they can't admit out loud that they just represent rich people, they have to pretend they represent some other group that is easily fooled, mainly evangelicals and non-college educated old white people. No offense intended, Popper.

The Democrats' problem is they are a poorly cobbled together coalition of minority issues - marijuana legalization, african american oppression, lgbtqetc. issues, abortion/women's rights (which only a minority of women are interested in), none of whom really give a crap about each other. So their business model is incompetence, which we've seen a great example of today. They can't hold together as a group. They're easily divided.

No offense taken. I am both financially well off and non-college educated. Not sure where I fit in to your equation though. The financial popper likes what the stock market is doing and the non-college educated popper wants others to have the same opportunities I had to climb out of the lower socioeconomic class.

Edit - so in your equation do I vote R because I’m well off or because I’m dumb

You are the quintessential Trump voter. Self-made man.

Hey, everybody knows the dumb jock from high school who went on to own a bunch of car dealerships because it turns out you don't need to be good at algebra to be good at business. I respect that. I'm trying to understand it. Kind of the opposite of my experience - was bullied mercilessly all my young life by those very same dumb jocks and I hate them viscerally. Went on to be successful financially as well as academically, which in the back of my mind is a big "F YOU!" to all the haters from my childhood.

I'm grown up now and a good chunk of the jerks who bullied me are dead, because it turns out they were clinically depressed and eventually killed themselves, while others turned out to be decent people once they got out of the pressure cooker of high school. I still carry that anger around with me though and Trump's main message is "jocks rule nerds drool." So I hate Trump and people who supported him reflexively, irrationally. The grown up part of my mind wants to listen and be compassionate and be a good Jew and the lizard part of my brain is just giving Trump and his supporters the finger.