Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 6

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Knicks waiving Ramon Sessions to pick up Trey Burke.

It's amazing how many chances you get if you were a lottery pick.

You cant dismass his G League stats. per 36 of 26/5/3... All with a a TS of 59%, a usage of 30%, and 2:1 AST:TOV ratio.

When we signed him I liked him in theory next to Sato. He can get his own shot and spread the floor.
Fact is, he should have a 3PTr of 45% or more, yet it was only 27% with us despite shooting 44%. That made zero sense.

Timing is everything in life.

Burke probably would have been fine playing the position that Meeks is playing right now. Unfortunately, last season he was looked at as a playmaking point guard --which is just not Trey Burke's strength. Now, je is destroying the G league as an efficient scorer.

Burke is showing some of why he was a lottery pick.

About another player, I haven't seen any stats, but I think Melo Trimble might get called up soon. Someone posted in the Maryland thread Romelo Trimble's 37-point game.

Melo could be on the Wizards right now doing what Jodie Meeks is doing.

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[nate33]

Knicks waiving Ramon Sessions to pick up Trey Burke.

It's amazing how many chances you get if you were a lottery pick.

You cant dismass his G League stats. per 36 of 26/5/3... All with a a TS of 59%, a usage of 30%, and 2:1 AST:TOV ratio.

When we signed him I liked him in theory next to Sato. He can get his own shot and spread the floor.
Fact is, he should have a 3PTr of 45% or more, yet it was only 27% with us despite shooting 44%. That made zero sense.

Burke never had the speed to penetrate against NBA-caliber athletes. His one useful skill is that he's a pretty good shooter, but nobody wants a 6-1 SG. He can't play point effectively because he can't penetrate and the only way he gets any separation at all is with his patented step-back long 2. And nobody can be an efficient scorer with a step-back as your go-to move.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Knicks waiving Ramon Sessions to pick up Trey Burke.

It's amazing how many chances you get if you were a lottery pick.

Man, Ramon Sessions' production fell off a cliff after he left Washington.

It's interesting, he was never a particularly skilled player, but he was just quick enough and savvy enough to get a half-step on a defender and then fling himself into the defender to draw the foul. He was sort of a poor man's James Harden, without the 3-point shot. That one skill really worked for him for about 8 years and he had a nice career as a respectable backup PG. But as soon as he turned 30, he lost just a little bit of that quickness and it destroyed the entire foundation of his game. His ORtg last year was 103 (down from 110 with the Wizards). His ORtg in limited minutes in New York was 84.

I know I posted this here before but I'll do it again. I saw Ramon Sessions live when Nevada came to play the University of Hawaii. He impressed me quite a bit.

I was at that game to see Nick physiquez (thanks Moto G translator). Turns out physiquez was hurt. Javale McGee started but I didn't even notice him. Sessions played awesome at both ends of the court in college. I have liked his game ever since. Spent a lot of years arguing respectfully with Ruzious that Ramon Sessions is a good NBA player. It took awhile for him to prove that he is.

Sessions was playing for the New York Knicks under Phil Jackson. That guy wanted to run the triangle offense. That team was a mess. Could have been a lack of professionalism or injuries or disinterest that led to Sessions' slumping numbers. They drafted a point guard and I believe they had Jarrett Jack.

Motivation is everything. I would welcome Sessions back because he did a pretty good job with the Wizards. Not to be unnoticed he's a pretty good defender as well.

Forget his numbers Nate. I think the guy is still the same player.

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Knicks waiving Ramon Sessions to pick up Trey Burke.

It's amazing how many chances you get if you were a lottery pick.

You cant dismass his G League stats. per 36 of 26/5/3... All with a a TS of 59%, a usage of 30%, and 2:1 AST:TOV ratio.

When we signed him I liked him in theory next to Sato. He can get his own shot and spread the floor.
Fact is, he should have a 3PTr of 45% or more, yet it was only 27% with us despite shooting 44%. That made zero sense.

Burke never had the speed to penetrate against NBA-caliber athletes. His one useful skill is that he's a pretty good shooter, but nobody wants a 6-1 SG. He can't play point effectively because he can't penetrate and the only way he gets any separation at all is with his patented step-back long 2. And nobody can be an efficient scorer with a step-back as your go-to move.

The same can be said for Melo Trimble.

He is a 6ft 1 shooting guard.

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[nate33]

Knicks waiving Ramon Sessions to pick up Trey Burke.

It's amazing how many chances you get if you were a lottery pick.

Man, Ramon Sessions' production fell off a cliff after he left Washington.

It's interesting, he was never a particularly skilled player, but he was just quick enough and savvy enough to get a half-step on a defender and then fling himself into the defender to draw the foul. He was sort of a poor man's James Harden, without the 3-point shot. That one skill really worked for him for about 8 years and he had a nice career as a respectable backup PG. But as soon as he turned 30, he lost just a little bit of that quickness and it destroyed the entire foundation of his game. His ORtg last year was 103 (down from 110 with the Wizards). His ORtg in limited minutes in New York was 84.

I know I posted this here before but I'll do it again. I saw Ramon Sessions live when Nevada came to play the University of Hawaii. He impressed me quite a bit.

I was at that game to see Nick physiquez (thanks Moto G translator). Turns out physiquez was hurt. Javale McGee started but I didn't even notice him. Sessions played awesome at both ends of the court in college. I have liked his game ever since. Spent a lot of years arguing respectfully with Ruzious that Ramon Sessions is a good NBA player. It took awhile for him to prove that he is.

Sessions was playing for the New York Knicks under Phil Jackson. That guy wanted to run the triangle offense. That team was a mess. Could have been a lack of professionalism or injuries or disinterest that led to Sessions' slumping numbers. They drafted a point guard and I believe they had Jarrett Jack.

Motivation is everything. I would welcome Sessions back because he did a pretty good job with the Wizards. Not to be unnoticed he's a pretty good defender as well.

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I think you're right that Sessions' production was artificially suppressed by the Knicks' triangle offense. But Sessions was pretty bad a year before in Charlotte, and Charlotte runs pick-and-roll. I think that half-step that Sessions has lost has destroyed his game. He was good for us 2 years ago, but I don't think he'll be good anywhere else going forward.

I'm not hating. I like Sessions and think he had a solid career. It's just that his game and skill-set doesn't age well.

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

Knicks waiving Ramon Sessions to pick up Trey Burke.

It's amazing how many chances you get if you were a lottery pick.

You cant dismass his G League stats. per 36 of 26/5/3... All with a a TS of 59%, a usage of 30%, and 2:1 AST:TOV ratio.

When we signed him I liked him in theory next to Sato. He can get his own shot and spread the floor.
Fact is, he should have a 3PTr of 45% or more, yet it was only 27% with us despite shooting 44%. That made zero sense.

Melo could be on the Wizards right now doing what Jodie Meeks is doing.

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Missing threes? Missing floaters? Sitting on the bench?

I may be splitting hairs here, but I could be on the Wizards contributing those things.

[Dat2U]

Man, Ramon Sessions' production fell off a cliff after he left Washington.

It's interesting, he was never a particularly skilled player, but he was just quick enough and savvy enough to get a half-step on a defender and then fling himself into the defender to draw the foul. He was sort of a poor man's James Harden, without the 3-point shot. That one skill really worked for him for about 8 years and he had a nice career as a respectable backup PG. But as soon as he turned 30, he lost just a little bit of that quickness and it destroyed the entire foundation of his game. His ORtg last year was 103 (down from 110 with the Wizards). His ORtg in limited minutes in New York was 84.

I know I posted this here before but I'll do it again. I saw Ramon Sessions live when Nevada came to play the University of Hawaii. He impressed me quite a bit.

I was at that game to see Nick physiquez (thanks Moto G translator). Turns out physiquez was hurt. Javale McGee started but I didn't even notice him. Sessions played awesome at both ends of the court in college. I have liked his game ever since. Spent a lot of years arguing respectfully with Ruzious that Ramon Sessions is a good NBA player. It took awhile for him to prove that he is.

Sessions was playing for the New York Knicks under Phil Jackson. That guy wanted to run the triangle offense. That team was a mess. Could have been a lack of professionalism or injuries or disinterest that led to Sessions' slumping numbers. They drafted a point guard and I believe they had Jarrett Jack.

Motivation is everything. I would welcome Sessions back because he did a pretty good job with the Wizards. Not to be unnoticed he's a pretty good defender as well.

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I think you're right that Sessions' production was artificially suppressed by the Knicks' triangle offense. But Sessions was pretty bad a year before in Charlotte, and Charlotte runs pick-and-roll. I think that half-step that Sessions has lost has destroyed his game. He was good for us 2 years ago, but I don't think he'll be good anywhere else going forward.

I'm not hating. I like Sessions and think he had a solid career. It's just that his game and skill-set doesn't age well.

Sessions was coming off a terrible stretch before he got to DC. Truth is, Sessions is a system player, at least offensively. He's a not really a PG but a ball dominant slasher with tunnel vision who can make the ocassional jumper. He needs space to operate. He has to be surrounded by shooters who are spotting up so he can iso or run a P&R. If driving lanes are clogged, he's terrible because he starts driving into brick walls, throwing slop up at the rim among the trees and bricking jumpers.

Defensively he literally dies on picks and is nothing short of terrible. He might be still here if it wasn't for that.

[Dat2U]

Knicks waiving Ramon Sessions to pick up Trey Burke.

It's amazing how many chances you get if you were a lottery pick.

You cant dismass his G League stats. per 36 of 26/5/3... All with a a TS of 59%, a usage of 30%, and 2:1 AST:TOV ratio.

When we signed him I liked him in theory next to Sato. He can get his own shot and spread the floor.
Fact is, he should have a 3PTr of 45% or more, yet it was only 27% with us despite shooting 44%. That made zero sense.

Timing is everything in life.

Burke probably would have been fine playing the position that Meeks is playing right now. Unfortunately, last season he was looked at as a playmaking point guard --which is just not Trey Burke's strength. Now, je is destroying the G league as an efficient scorer.

Burke is showing some of why he was a lottery pick.

About another player, I haven't seen any stats, but I think Melo Trimble might get called up soon. Someone posted in the Maryland thread Romelo Trimble's 37-point game.

Melo could be on the Wizards right now doing what Jodie Meeks is doing.

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It doesn't matter what Trimble or Burke do in lower leagues, neither has a game that translates to NBA basketball. Melo is probably a poor man's Burke so there's that.

Meeks is terrible though. We definitely need an upgrade. I wish Ernie would end his infatuation with stubby washed-up SGs that are classic gunners in Gary Neal, Marcus Thornton & Jodie Meeks. All are eerily alike in build, style of play and aversion to defense.

[closg00]

Wow , per the Tap, Charlotte is all about the shake-up, making everyone available.

[Wizardspride]

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

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Washington gets to stew in yet another loss to Dallas for 2 days until Thursday. They then go to OKC where they are going to get waxed.

Seeing as how now fired Jason Kidd just whooped Scott Brooks' ass twice, and the Milwaukee Bucks are seen as underachieving; even Wizards ownership has to take notice. I'm glad they went out and only scored 75 today days after the team meeting.

Perhaps Mr Grunfeld's seat is finally getting warm...

[verbal8]

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If the Bucks job wasn't appealing enough already:
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/248688/Giannis-Antetokounmpo-Offered-To-Help-Jason-Kids-Save-His-Job

I wonder if the relationship between Kidd and ownership means the firing actually happened sooner.

[Kanyewest]

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Washington gets to stew in yet another loss to Dallas for 2 days until Thursday. They then go to OKC where they are going to get waxed.

Seeing as how now fired Jason Kidd just whooped Scott Brooks' ass twice, and the Milwaukee Bucks are seen as underachieving; even Wizards ownership has to take notice. I'm glad they went out and only scored 75 today days after the team meeting.

Perhaps Mr Grunfeld's seat is finally getting warm...

On the bright side, OKC did lose to the Mavs a few weeks ago, the last game they lost and are currently on a 4 game winning streak.

[LyricalRico]

The LA Clippers have agreed to trade All-Star forward Blake Griffin to the Detroit Pistons, league sources told ESPN.

The Clippers will receive Tobias Harris, Avery Bradley, Boban Marjanovic, and a first- and second-round draft pick, league sources said. The Clippers are also sending Brice Johnson and Willie Reed to Detroit alongside Griffin, sources said.

Protections on Detroit's 2018 first-round pick include 1-4 in 2018, 2019 and 2020, and unprotected in 2021, per sources.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22258464/blake-griffin-los-angeles-clippers-talks-traded-detroit-pistons

The reboot is on in Clipper Land!

[Wiz99]

The LA Clippers have agreed to trade All-Star forward Blake Griffin to the Detroit Pistons, league sources told ESPN.

The Clippers will receive Tobias Harris, Avery Bradley, Boban Marjanovic, and a first- and second-round draft pick, league sources said. The Clippers are also sending Brice Johnson and Willie Reed to Detroit alongside Griffin, sources said.

Protections on Detroit's 2018 first-round pick include 1-4 in 2018, 2019 and 2020, and unprotected in 2021, per sources.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22258464/blake-griffin-los-angeles-clippers-talks-traded-detroit-pistons

The reboot is on in Clipper Land!

I get why DET does this. But why does LAC?

Rebuild, fine. But isn’t Blake the guy you put at the center, using Lou and DeAndre to get pieces/pics? Why do a total teardown?

LAC = The Process West

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

The LA Clippers have agreed to trade All-Star forward Blake Griffin to the Detroit Pistons, league sources told ESPN.

The Clippers will receive Tobias Harris, Avery Bradley, Boban Marjanovic, and a first- and second-round draft pick, league sources said. The Clippers are also sending Brice Johnson and Willie Reed to Detroit alongside Griffin, sources said.

Protections on Detroit's 2018 first-round pick include 1-4 in 2018, 2019 and 2020, and unprotected in 2021, per sources.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22258464/blake-griffin-los-angeles-clippers-talks-traded-detroit-pistons

The reboot is on in Clipper Land!

I get why DET does this. But why does LAC?

Rebuild, fine. But isn’t Blake the guy you put at the center, using Lou and DeAndre to get pieces/pics? Why do a total teardown?

LAC = The Process West

It’s about salary. Blake is signed for 4 years. Clippers want room to be aggressive in 2019 free agency when a bunch of headliners will be available.

They may still look to get assets for 1/2 year of Lou and DJ.

My guess is that some idiot (ahem, Ernie) gives up a first for Lou.

[WizTom]

It’s the “super max” contract the Clippers gave Griffin.
They realized that there is no way to put together a contender-level team if one player is taking up that much cap space.
The Wizards may realize this, too. They should. (haha, as if anyone is smart enough in the front office.)
As much as I want to like Wall, no team can sustain a viable roster with a super max contract.
And to be honest, I don’t like him as a player in a super max kinda way.
Even if I did, I still don’t think it’s sustainable.
Watch what happens to Golden State now that Curry’s whopper deal has started.

[dckingsfan]

Moved to the right thread...

[closg00]

Clippers eyeing a run at Bron who has a house in LA, why-not, they can dream.

[LyricalRico]

Clippers eyeing a run at Bron who has a house in LA, why-not, they can dream.

Assuming that's the thinking, do they reverse course and just ride it out with Jordan/Williams and let them walk in the offseason to use the cap space? They can always wait until they have an agreement with LeBron to renounce them if they want to keep their options open.