The ROTY/Rookie Discussion Thread, Part III

[LakersSoul]

Lonzo's last 18 games he's plays he's shooting 36% on 6 threes a game. Seems like a weakness has become a strength. Maybe Gilbert Arenas should probably stay retired when it comes to all areas of basketball.

Or maybe 18 games is not enough of a sample to pronounce his shot weakness or strength?

Lonzo has played in 36 games. If you say the last 18 games are not a good indicator or enough data points then how can anyone make a judgment on any rookie?

How about we give the benefit of the doubt to the last 18 games and during his college days?

[KqWIN]

Mitchell had his worst game in a long time tonight. I expect a lot more coming as long as long as this rotation/minutes configuration continues. This is not me excusing his poor play, but he is being set up for failure right now. We'll see a lot of his warts highlighted as they were tonight.

A good portion of his minutes are being played with Rubio+Favors+Gobert and now he's playing almost exclusively with Rubio. Going to be tough sledding from here on out.

I think out of all rookies, Simmons is the most set up to succeed this year. Might be tough for Mitchell to grab the ROTY

Mitchell was in a good spot, but if the Jazz continue to play him in lineups with 2-3 non-shooters it's not going to go well for him. I don't think he's good enough to deal with that kind of defensive focus. He's very dependent on getting to the basket and scoring, but the defense can very easily take that away from him if there is not enough shooting.

[KqWIN]

Lonzo's last 18 games he's plays he's shooting 36% on 6 threes a game. Seems like a weakness has become a strength. Maybe Gilbert Arenas should probably stay retired when it comes to all areas of basketball.

Or maybe 18 games is not enough of a sample to pronounce his shot weakness or strength?

LOL...

Lonzo has played in 36 games. If you say the last 18 games are not a good indicator or enough data points then how can you make a judgment based on his first 18 games?

Either you are a hater or you are a hater.

???

I don't think you realize how dumb this looks. Not everyone is out to get you my friend. Same goes for Lonzo.

[LakersSoul]

Or maybe 18 games is not enough of a sample to pronounce his shot weakness or strength?

LOL...

Lonzo has played in 36 games. If you say the last 18 games are not a good indicator or enough data points then how can you make a judgment based on his first 18 games?

Either you are a hater or you are a hater.

???

I don't think you realize how dumb this looks. Not everyone is out to get you my friend. Same goes for Lonzo.

Re-read and re-posted...

Lonzo has played in 36 games. If you say the last 18 games are not a good indicator or enough data points then how can anyone make a judgment on any rookie?

How about we give the benefit of the doubt to the last 18 games and during his college days?

[LakersSoul]

Or maybe 18 games is not enough of a sample to pronounce his shot weakness or strength?

LOL...

Lonzo has played in 36 games. If you say the last 18 games are not a good indicator or enough data points then how can you make a judgment based on his first 18 games?

Either you are a hater or you are a hater.

???

I don't think you realize how dumb this looks. Not everyone is out to get you my friend. Same goes for Lonzo.

As for Lonzo, you must not have been paying attention to the first 18 games of the NBA season. Everyone other than the Lakers fans and maybe 5% of non-Lakers fans were dumping on Lonzo.

[SmartWentCrazy]

LOL...

Lonzo has played in 36 games. If you say the last 18 games are not a good indicator or enough data points then how can you make a judgment based on his first 18 games?

Either you are a hater or you are a hater.

???

I don't think you realize how dumb this looks. Not everyone is out to get you my friend. Same goes for Lonzo.

As for Lonzo, you must not have been paying attention to the first 18 games of the NBA season. Everyone other than the Lakers fans and maybe 5% of non-Lakers fans were dumping on Lonzo.

I didn't dump on Lonzo— before his recent good play, I repeatedly mentioned wanting to buy the stock others were selling. Ive maintained all along he’s your best prospect and I really like his long term potential.

With that said, you cant selectively declare one half of his games as more representative of who he is as a shooter than the other half. Both samples are just way too small to outright dismiss the whole. We have no reason to think that Ball is anything other than his current average.

[JamesConway]

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[Goudelock]

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The guy's a highlight machine.

[JamesConway]

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The guy's a highlight machine.

And he's actually getting better game after game while playing in a super slow-paced team that really puts a huge emphasis on him developing into a halfcourt PG. Dennis is having a great rookie campaign so far, couldn't be happier. Also much more under control with the way he attacks the rim, he's really picking his spots and not as reckless like he was earlier in the year.

Still can't believed we lucked into him that late in the lottery. By far the player on our roster that raises the biggest hopes for the future.

[LakersSoul]

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I don't think you realize how dumb this looks. Not everyone is out to get you my friend. Same goes for Lonzo.

As for Lonzo, you must not have been paying attention to the first 18 games of the NBA season. Everyone other than the Lakers fans and maybe 5% of non-Lakers fans were dumping on Lonzo.

I didn't dump on Lonzo— before his recent good play, I repeatedly mentioned wanting to buy the stock others were selling. Ive maintained all along he’s your best prospect and I really like his long term potential.

With that said, you cant selectively declare one half of his games as more representative of who he is as a shooter than the other half. Both samples are just way too small to outright dismiss the whole. We have no reason to think that Ball is anything other than his current average.

SWC, I think you qualify as the 5% non-Lakers fans that did not dump on Lonzo.

As for the 18 games, I agree. 18 or 36 games are still too little data. However, if you are going to lean on any one half, I would suggest the most recent half since its averaging closer to Lonzo's 41.2% shooting from long distance at UCLA. Lonzo, like all rookies, is getting more comfortable with the game and not pressing as much especially his 2nd time around each team. You can see that in his game when he played before sitting for the injury.

[CBS7]

Lauri with 14/17/2 with 2 blocks and a steal last night vs AD/Cousins. By far the most promising thing about him is how he finds ways to be effective when his 3 point shot isn't falling. The last two games he is 0-8 from 3, but still had solid overall games.

Potential to be a 25/10 All-NBA level player.

[GameBredAPBT]

DMC's historic evening combined with Davis's spectacular numbers will overshadow this, but LauMarkk put up 14/17/2 last night, with 2 blocks, a steal, and only two turnovers. Made some huge plays down the stretch (pretty much the only Bull sans Lopez that made plays down the stretch) on both sides of the ball.

All this while not hitting a single three-pointer.

[cool007]

Lauri Markkanen with 14 Points and 17 Rebounds 2 Blocks vs those twin monsters.

He had a pretty good game considering AD was like glued to him throughout the game.

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[LakersSoul]

Lauri Markkanen with 14 Points and 17 Rebounds 2 Blocks vs those twin monsters.

He had a pretty good game considering AD was like glued to him throughout the game.

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Lauri had a strong rebounding game and a few great dunks/defensive plays in 40 minutes of play and in 2 OT. I wouldnt call that a good game, not when Markkanen went 5-12 and 0-4 from 3s.

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[DroseReturnChi]

Lauri Markkanen with 14 Points and 17 Rebounds 2 Blocks vs those twin monsters.

He had a pretty good game considering AD was like glued to him throughout the game.

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Lauri had a strong rebounding game and a few great dunks/defensive plays in 40 minutes of play and in 2 OT. I wouldnt call that a good game, not when Markkanen went 5-12 and 0-4 from 3s.

You do know that he's a rookie going against 2 all-star starters? Because he went 0-4 and still finished strong is what makes him impressive. LM def held his own against those two monsters despite them having historical nights.
Look, I may be a homer but this LM guy maybe the greatest Bull of all time after Jordan. I am not exaggerating at all since I watch him closely at all times.

[RememberLu]

What I found impressive about his (Lauri's) game was just the sheer number of dunks. He's dunking way more often than earlier in the season and I think he's starting to realize that he belongs in this league and can basically do anything he wants against anyone he wants

[LakersSoul]

Lauri Markkanen with 14 Points and 17 Rebounds 2 Blocks vs those twin monsters.

He had a pretty good game considering AD was like glued to him throughout the game.

Watch on YouTube

Lauri had a strong rebounding game and a few great dunks/defensive plays in 40 minutes of play and in 2 OT. I wouldnt call that a good game, not when Markkanen went 5-12 and 0-4 from 3s.

You do know that he's a rookie going against 2 all-star starters? Because he went 0-4 and still finished strong is what makes him impressive. LM def held his own against those two monsters despite them having historical nights.
Look, I may be a homer but this LM guy maybe the greatest Bull of all time after Jordan. I am not exaggerating at all since I watch him closely at all times.

Actually, I really like Markkanen and think he has huge upside. In fact, I really wanted the Lakers to somehow draft this stud. I think he is going to be very special down the line and you can see the potential when he plays.

As for the game, he did okay but I just wouldnt call it a good game after shooting so poorly from the field. Most of his scoring was from attacking the rim and dunking. He dunked and rebounded well as AD and Boogie went off.

[LakersSoul]

Battle of the rookies and sophomores:

Brown and Ingram both stunk it up.
Ingram: 7/9/4
Brown: 9/2/2

Tatum Vs Kuzma:
Tatum: 4/5/0
Kuzma: 28/4/3

Lonzo was out but Kuzma stepped up big time after hitting the rookie wall for about 10 days. If the Lakers dont miss 15 FTs or 90% of the FTs in the 4th Q, Lakers win this game with ease.

[LoveTheNBA23]

Man, Kuzma has the mamba mentality. You can just see it in him. Even off nights he doesn’t lose his confidence. Love his mentality.