Willy Hernangomez wants to get traded by the deadline per hoopshype and marca.com

[Jalen Bluntson]

A 2nd year player should be treated the same as players that's been in the league several years longer? Sorry, I just don't endorse this fam.

As long as we can agree it's a double-standard I don't really care but, what's the limit for years in the league before a player telling the press he wants opportunities on the floor switches from whining to being alright?

Not sure where the cancer part is referencing, haven't called him such, but yes....he is whining.

Go two or three pages back from my original post that started this conversation. The Kanter comment was a reference to a couple of pages of cancer talk in the posts leading up to my original statement.

Berman keeps coming to him because he knows he'll get the answer he desires. Players want to play normally, I'll never disagree there. But most especially a 2nd year player would normally just say "I'm waiting my turn, meaning while I'm still working" and end it there.

But Willy isn't doing that, he's playing the entitled role and saying "play me or trade me". And that's not cool.

Again, I don't agree with double standards just because a guy was in the league longer. Willy's been on the Knicks longer, he waited his turn for half a season last year than took his opportunity and was a rebound shy of a double-double per game over the last three months of the season. I'm not sure how many players go from averaging near a double-double to benched without playing time, but I certainly don't picture any of them telling the media "I'm waiting my turn" regardless of how long they've been in the league.

I get your point. I still think in this scenario...Billy is wrong. The team has repeatedly said he's part of the future. 2 older players have basically played better than him and, there is a logjam at his position. Him saying he'd be open to a trade so he can play is not really a team player mentality. He can't wait until Kyle or, in a long shot, Kanter gets traded? He can't keep this in house?

He's coming off as an entitled little kid. He has been commenting to the media since the beginning of the year. He's acting like his non impact play when given minutes warrants more PT. He is trying to force his way on the court when he clearly knows what the team wants/needs to do. He keeps acting like he's accomplished that. He hasn't had more than 2-3 decent outings all year that I recall.

Again...I think he's been looked over too many times but, he hasn't done much to warrant being a nuisance in the press. Go to the HC. If you don't like his answer...go to the GM. Talking to the biggest media troll in NY besides Isola is not a good move. Unless it comes out that he went to them and got treated poorly. I doubt that happened but, anything is possible.

Seems like he thinks he's being slick. Not a good look honestly.

[dakomish23]

Can't believe I'm gonna defend Jeff but if he really was only favoring vets then he would be playing Joakim Noah. It's a little strange that a former DPOY, former All Star is just sitting quiet and not complaining while this 2nd round pick who's done absolutely nothing in his career is whining and complaining about playing time.

J.Noah got his last big paycheck from Phil.
He doesnt need anything now. He has serious health concerns anyway.

Willy needs to show himself for his future.
Willy needs playing time to develop his game.

J.Noah is doing pretty pretty pretty good. He doesnt have any of Willy's concerns for himself.

Yep. Just like Sham said. Noah got his golden parachute. He’s good.

[dakomish23]

well to be fair to kanter he was at least trying defensively to start the year. I saw some signs. But clearly lately with the team trending down hill he has reverted back to the "can't play" kanter theme. I never saw him as a piece...he was always a stop gap that I actually wanted to opt out for the beginning.

I get why some started to like him, rebounding machine, efficient offense, plays hard, embraces the city.

But the whole I don't know why im not playing in the 4th rubbed me the wrong way. Like I'm only happy about being here because I'm playing. But now that people are exposing me for the fake "team" guy he suggests he is.

See, to me, trying defense doesn't mean anything more than a reason to like a guy. If a guy sucks on defense, tries on defense, but still sucks on defense...he still sucks on defense and him trying is just a way to still give him credit in light of his ineptitude. It was cool to see him embrace the city and be efficient, but that was the only part of his game that I ever liked. Tunnel vision, piss poor defense, and the rebounds didn't mean much because he wouldn't play defense just to get them.

Anyways, I'm just happy to see you on the same anti-Kanter train as I am on.

bruh I felt like you me and greenie were on an island sometimes in those early season game threads.

[j4remi]

I get your point. I still think in this scenario...Billy is wrong. The team has repeatedly said he's part of the future. 2 older players have basically played better than him and, there is a logjam at his position. Him saying he'd be open to a trade so he can play is not really a team player mentality. He can't wait until Kyle or, in a long shot, Kanter gets traded? He can't keep this in house?

My point isn't that he's going about this the right way. It's that Kanter just complained about his minutes and no one gave a damn but every time Willy so much as mentions minutes it's a problem.

He's coming off as an entitled little kid. He has been commenting to the media since the beginning of the year. He's acting like his non impact play when given minutes warrants more PT. He is trying to force his way on the court when he clearly knows what the team wants/needs to do. He keeps acting like he's accomplished that. He hasn't had more than 2-3 decent outings all year that I recall.

He hasn't had many opportunities to put together a decent outting. He's played more than 10 minutes 7 out of 20 times and 5 minutes or less 7 out of 20 games. He's also been paired with Kanter or KOQ for a chunk of those games. He's been set up to fail and the circumstances matter here. The closest he's come to a real shot was a span of 6 games where he played in 5 and averaged 16 mpg; his averages were 7 ppg, 7.6 rpg and 2 apg on 56% shooting. Those aren't bad numbers in 16 minutes of play. It's not to say he's a world beater, just that the hate has been exaggerated.

Again...I think he's been looked over too many times but, he hasn't done much to warrant being a nuisance in the press. Go to the HC. If you don't like his answer...go to the GM. Talking to the biggest media troll in NY besides Isola is not a good move. Unless it comes out that he went to them and got treated poorly. I doubt that happened but, anything is possible.

That's fair. He's not going about this the best way for certain.

Seems like he thinks he's being slick. Not a good look honestly.

I don't think he's being slick at all. I think this is a frustrated player doing what frustrated players do. Does that make it right? No way, but the hate he's receiving tends to be emotion based while completely ignoring that he's able to put up similar production to Kanter, that Kanter's defense is just as bad and that Kanter will cost us 15 million dollars more to do the exact same thing for the forseeable future and that Kanter has the same propensity to voice frustrations with the media when he feels slighted by the coach.

[j4remi]

See, to me, trying defense doesn't mean anything more than a reason to like a guy. If a guy sucks on defense, tries on defense, but still sucks on defense...he still sucks on defense and him trying is just a way to still give him credit in light of his ineptitude. It was cool to see him embrace the city and be efficient, but that was the only part of his game that I ever liked. Tunnel vision, piss poor defense, and the rebounds didn't mean much because he wouldn't play defense just to get them.

Anyways, I'm just happy to see you on the same anti-Kanter train as I am on.

bruh I felt like you me and greenie were on an island sometimes in those early season game threads.

We were outnumbered but it's not like there wasn't a vocal contingent pointing out Kanter's shortcomings. I do think he made efforts to improve, especially his awareness which kinda sets me apart from the heavier handed heat thrown his way.

[Knicksfan20]

Kanter is a solid player for 8-12 mil. Other then that , it’s too much money for an average center.

[Besart19]

Willy, Noah, Kornet, Hicks and Porzingis are enough for us at C position... 30M on that position, we dont need extra 30 on Kanter and KOQ

[Jalen Bluntson]

Kanter was playing like one of the top centers in the league. His defense had improved. His passing as well. People wanting him to improve as a 25 year old player...who was supposed to be a total scrub...is a bad thing? Dude was a beast and the heart of the team at one point.

I was definitely surprised and being won over by his play. I couldn't stand him in preseason and the first few games. Who knew good guard play gets the best out of a team. Since the PG play has dropped off...and the entire team is playing terrible on both ends...people were right about Kanter all along. LOL Yeah...sure. He's the only guy having issues during this 4-12 stretch.

He can't play without KP. Look it up. That means he's not a good bench fit. His salary is going to be a burden next year. 36mil for him and Noah.

I wanted him traded early this year...I would like that now. I would prefer he opt out but, I doubt it. Acting like he wasn't playing like a beast and helping the team win is ridiculous. Trying to shame people for appreciating his contributions is ridiculous. Don't be ridiculous. Such ridiculousness.

[Sprewell4Three]

I think he is gone. We are not interested in rebuilding so he can't be part of the plan.

It's laughable to think some of you believe the Knicks will ever rebuild. Not in this market. Alot of these guys jobs are on the line. Thank God the Knicks haven't stunk as badly as previous years because there would be firings left and right. Fans would rejoice thinking the team is tanking but in reality that's not really the case.

[Sprewell4Three]

And another thing, Kanter is way better then Willy. But yet people want to keep Willy? Why? because he's 2 years younger? What has he shown on the court that makes you believe he can have the same impact as Kanter?

[Sprewell4Three]

Let me rephrase that. When Okafor asked for a trade he was riding the pine. Same as Hernangomez.

And he's still riding the pine in BKLYN

[whocares1]

I think he is gone. We are not interested in rebuilding so he can't be part of the plan.

It's laughable to think some of you believe the Knicks will ever rebuild. Not in this market. Alot of these guys jobs are on the line. Thank God the Knicks haven't stunk as badly as previous years because there would be firings left and right. Fans would rejoice thinking the team is tanking but in reality that's not really the case.

Whose job was on the line? Perry just got hired, Mills just got appointed POBO. They're clearly telling Jeff to try to win games instead of focusing on the youth players. Stinking should've been the call, because that would be in the best interest of the team's future long term success. Instead the season is already ruined because of mismanagement.

[Sprewell4Three]

I think he is gone. We are not interested in rebuilding so he can't be part of the plan.

It's laughable to think some of you believe the Knicks will ever rebuild. Not in this market. Alot of these guys jobs are on the line. Thank God the Knicks haven't stunk as badly as previous years because there would be firings left and right. Fans would rejoice thinking the team is tanking but in reality that's not really the case.

Whose job was on the line? Perry just got hired, Mills just got appointed POBO. They're clearly telling Jeff to try to win games instead of focusing on the youth players. Stinking should've been the call, because that would be in the best interest of the team's future long term success. Instead the season is already ruined because of mismanagement.

The best interest for the team is to win games and not create an environment of losing. Now when the Knicks are mathematically out of the playoffs that's when you start playing the young guys more and see what you got. The L's will come. But some of you wanted the Knicks to be tanking since the tip of the season.

[whocares1]

It's laughable to think some of you believe the Knicks will ever rebuild. Not in this market. Alot of these guys jobs are on the line. Thank God the Knicks haven't stunk as badly as previous years because there would be firings left and right. Fans would rejoice thinking the team is tanking but in reality that's not really the case.

Whose job was on the line? Perry just got hired, Mills just got appointed POBO. They're clearly telling Jeff to try to win games instead of focusing on the youth players. Stinking should've been the call, because that would be in the best interest of the team's future long term success. Instead the season is already ruined because of mismanagement.

The best interest for the team is to win games and not create an environment of losing. Now when the Knicks are mathematically out of the playoffs that's when you start playing the young guys more and see what you got. The L's will come. But some of you wanted the Knicks to be tanking since the tip of the season.

You're wrong. The Atlanta Hawks have been in the playoffs a lot in the last decade and are they any closer to winning a championship than we are? Are all star players clamoring to play in their winning culture? Short term relative winning environments do not impress anybody. Field a talented team and more players will come. The Knicks don't have the talent and should've been trying to acquire more via the draft. That's over now.

[Jalen Bluntson]

I get your point. I still think in this scenario...Billy is wrong. The team has repeatedly said he's part of the future. 2 older players have basically played better than him and, there is a logjam at his position. Him saying he'd be open to a trade so he can play is not really a team player mentality. He can't wait until Kyle or, in a long shot, Kanter gets traded? He can't keep this in house?

My point isn't that he's going about this the right way. It's that Kanter just complained about his minutes and no one gave a damn but every time Willy complains about his minutes it's a problem.

He's coming off as an entitled little kid. He has been commenting to the media since the beginning of the year. He's acting like his non impact play when given minutes warrants more PT. He is trying to force his way on the court when he clearly knows what the team wants/needs to do. He keeps acting like he's accomplished that. He hasn't had more than 2-3 decent outings all year that I recall.

He hasn't had many opportunities to put together a decent outting. He's played more than 10 minutes 7 out of 20 times and 5 minutes or less 7 out of 20 games. He's also been paired with Kanter or KOQ for a chunk of those games. He's been set up to fail and the circumstances matter here. The closest he's come to a real shot was a span of 6 games where he played in 5 and averaged 16 mpg; his averages were 7 ppg, 7.6 rpg and 2 apg on 56% shooting. Those aren't bad numbers in 16 minutes of play. It's not to say he's a world beater, just that the hate has been exaggerated.

Again...I think he's been looked over too many times but, he hasn't done much to warrant being a nuisance in the press. Go to the HC. If you don't like his answer...go to the GM. Talking to the biggest media troll in NY besides Isola is not a good move. Unless it comes out that he went to them and got treated poorly. I doubt that happened but, anything is possible.

That's fair. He's not going about this the best way for certain.

Seems like he thinks he's being slick. Not a good look honestly.

I don't think he's being slick at all. I think this is a frustrated player doing what frustrated players do. Does that make it right? No way, but the hate he's receiving tends to be emotion based while completely ignoring that he's able to put up similar production to Kanter, that Kanter's defense is just as bad and that Kanter will cost us 15 million dollars more to do the exact same thing for the forseeable future and that Kanter has the same propensity to voice frustrations with the media when he feels slighted by the coach.

The whole point about what Kanter or anyone else did is irrelevant to me. I agree that they are doing the same thing but, totally different circumstances.

Billy has been running his mouth since AT LEAST November about playing time. Knowing there's a logjam of 40 million in players in front of him. He wasn't playing like he did last year. He wasn't playing better than Kanter and Kyle to start the year or in camp/practice. STFU AND EARN IT FIRST!

Kanter was a big part of us winning games and suddenly he wasn't. He was wondering what happened from what I recall. Not talking about trade me or play me.

Beasley...I don't remember what his comments even were.

Noah hasn't said a word though. He was brought here as a starter and has far more to bitch about. Not a peep.

Billy going to Berman of all people? Weak as hell.

If he did go to the coach and the team and didn't like the answer...then **** him. He's 23 and under contract. There is a situation he needs to be patient with or TRULY earn those minutes with THIS YEAR'S EFFORT. He hasn't. Period.

Again...he has been overlooked too often. I agree that he should have been given more opportunity. He hasn't taken it by storm though and, he's been whining like a school girl since October/November. That could be part of why he's NOT getting minutes. HIS actions.

IMO Jeff is losing the team. When multiple players don't know why they are not playing...communication is missing. When effort disappears and the wheels fall off like they have...the coach is part of the problem.

[Besart19]

Lillard
Ntilikina
Hardaway
Randle
Porzingis

KOQ, Lee and Kanter are enough to provide us two picks and we send those along with our 1st and Chi 2nd for Lillard

[whocares1]

Lillard
Ntilikina
Hardaway
Randle
Porzingis

KOQ, Lee and Kanter are enough to provide us two picks and we send those along with our 1st and Chi 2nd for Lillard

1. That's never going to happen.
2. That team isn't winning a single championship

The goal is championship and nothing less.

[Dr. Detfink]

Every argument on Willy's short-comings is right...Problem is, the Knicks are not much better, so why aren't they calling for the trade of schmucks who pick up a cheque?

[Jalen Bluntson]

Personally...I think there's something up between him and Jeff. I didn't at first but, the lack of PT and constant talking to the media about it is a red flag. Is Jeff "teaching him a lesdon" or sticking it to the kid?

There is still the appearance of Billy expecting to be given the reigns as a priority player this season. He hasn't shown it on the court and, he has been griping about his minutes almost since day one. Is Jeff shutting him out as a result of this?

We're not behind the scenes. We have no idea what's going on in the locker room. It's apparent that something is wrong though.

On the outside it looks like Billy is acting like a spoiled child. What's going on behind closed doors could be totally different. Or...that could be the simple answer.

[j4remi]

The whole point about what Kanter or anyone else did is irrelevant to me. I agree that they are doing the same thing but, totally different circumstances.

Billy has been running his mouth since AT LEAST November about playing time. Knowing there's a logjam of 40 million in players in front of him. He wasn't playing like he did last year. He wasn't playing better than Kanter and Kyle to start the year or in camp/practice. STFU AND EARN IT FIRST!

Can't earn something if you're never given a chance to earn it.

Kanter was a big part of us winning games and suddenly he wasn't. He was wondering what happened from what I recall. Not talking about trade me or play me.

Beasley...I don't remember what his comments even were.

Noah hasn't said a word though. He was brought here as a starter and has far more to bitch about. Not a peep.

Well for one, everyone knows why Noah isn't complaining including Noah. That's not a shining example of classy behavior, he doesn't have a leg to stand-on. But the fact that three players complained about their minutes before the new year; one starter, one rotation guy and one outside of the rotation looking in might speak to a larger problem than Willy's personality. Hence why I keep pointing out that Willy's not the only one who has done this, he's just the only one people have had a problem with doing it.

Billy going to Berman of all people? Weak as hell.

I repeat, I agree with this, not the best way to handle it. It wasn't when Kanter did it either.

If he did go to the coach and the team and didn't like the answer...then **** him. He's 23 and under contract. There is a situation he needs to be patient with or TRULY earn those minutes with THIS YEAR'S EFFORT. He hasn't. Period.

I gotta point back to the fact that he's only had 7 chances to play more than 10 minutes and been productive over those games. For him to truly earn the minutes, he needs to actually get an opportunity to earn them. 5 minutes playing out of position isn't a fair way to evaluate any player.

Again...he has been overlooked too often. I agree that he should have been given more opportunity. He hasn't taken it by storm though and, he's been whining like a school girl since October/November. That could be part of why he's NOT getting minutes. HIS actions.

IMO Jeff is losing the team. When multiple players don't know why they are not playing...communication is missing. When effort disappears and the wheels fall off like they have...the coach is part of the problem.

I think the second portion is dead on and I think it completely informs Willy's behavior, the team's demeanor, Kanter's complaints, etc. Separating Willy from everything else going on and singling him out just seems unfair when everything's a damned mess that involves this coach. If Willy saying "I want to play" in October and November is the reason he's gotten less opportunities than that's an indictment on the coach, not the player.