Markelle Fultz Discussion III: For Fultz and going forward (see 2017 draft thread for trade discussion)

[Negrodamus]

He’s shooting like this because he wants a shorter, more compact release like Curry. He tried doing it on his own (with his trainers) and injured himself, and now he’s committed to finishing the transition.

It’s a silly decision, but what can we do?

[Eyeamok]

i dont give a **** about fultz' confidence no more. half of the season is over and he still isnt on the court because he however forgot how to shoot. **** that injury. there is no injury. BC needs to get fired for this huge waste of prime assets. throw fultz in there and let him prove himself...im way beyond frustrated

BC needs to be fired and there is no injury, but there is no frustration with Fultz or his progress only anxiety about what BC will mess up next.

You are right, Simmons and Embiid have taken a LOT of the heat off of BC. After loosing so much the fans are happy to see both of them play and then add to that that they are actually winning games too, it's a better time in Philly for basketball than it has been in a while.

But the scary part is what will BC do next. He so wanted to make his mark on the team, to get out from under Hinkie's shadow, that he made the Fultz deal. Now his first major deal seems to be blowing up in his face. Does he feel the pressure to do something else to erase the Fultz deal from fans minds? It's a scary time. The man still has a boatload of assets left to play with. I think the only thing that may placate him is if the 76ers end up with the Lakers pick. Then you have potentially 2 new rookies and Fultz (maybe) coming to the team in 2018-2019. You can build a lot of hype and hope from that trio.

[Sportfan73]

He’s shooting like this because he wants a shorter, more compact release like Curry. He tried doing it on his own (with his trainers) and injured himself, and now he’s committed to finishing the transition.

It’s a silly decision, but what can we do?

I think this plus some type of injury along the way would be the closest thing to the truth.


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[76ciology]

He’s shooting like this because he wants a shorter, more compact release like Curry. He tried doing it on his own (with his trainers) and injured himself, and now he’s committed to finishing the transition.

It’s a silly decision, but what can we do?

I can see that. I just dont know how you can injure yourself by changing your mechanics

[gdog2004]

He’s shooting like this because he wants a shorter, more compact release like Curry. He tried doing it on his own (with his trainers) and injured himself, and now he’s committed to finishing the transition.

It’s a silly decision, but what can we do?

I can see that. I just dont know how you can injure yourself by changing your mechanics

You cant. Its a BS injury put out there to save face. If you want to say he injured himself BMX riding or whatever, fine. But to anyone who has ever shot a basketball, you KNOW there is no way you can do this.
This kid isnt injured, he's mentally not ready to play and has no confidence in his ability to shoot. You can see it IN PRACTICE, where he has no pressure. Why else would they not play him being he has been cleared for a month now ? Im disappointed about it but what can you do ? Some picks don't work out. Unfortunately BC burned two top 3 picks to get a zero player. It sucks but you have to move on and maybe next year he will get his head together and be able to play.

[rulebook]

He’s shooting like this because he wants a shorter, more compact release like Curry. He tried doing it on his own (with his trainers) and injured himself, and now he’s committed to finishing the transition.

It’s a silly decision, but what can we do?

I can see that. I just dont know how you can injure yourself by changing your mechanics

You cant. Its a BS injury put out there to save face. If you want to say he injured himself BMX riding or whatever, fine. But to anyone who has ever shot a basketball, you KNOW there is no way you can do this.
This kid isnt injured, he's mentally not ready to play and has no confidence in his ability to shoot. You can see it IN PRACTICE, where he has no pressure. Why else would they not play him being he has been cleared for a month now ? Im disappointed about it but what can you do ? Some picks don't work out. Unfortunately BC burned two top 3 picks to get a zero player. It sucks but you have to move on and maybe next year he will get his head together and be able to play.

I just can't believe that he changed his mechanics, and then 1) got so mentally bamboozled that he just flat-out couldn't shoot anymore, and 2) couldn't get it back on track after 4 months of training. There had to be some sort of injury. How he got the injury, or how severe it is/was, is anyone's guess. The original question was "how can you injure yourself by changing your mechanics," and I think it's a good question. These guys shoot a lot when they train/practice, so I guess I could see how doing that under just the right weird mechanical conditions could put stress on the body and cause an injury...but it seems like a stretch. That's the problem with all of this: it's a black box, and we are all just guessing. One thing that's damning for Fultz is I don't hear any players rushing to his defense, like "I changed my mechanics and got hurt."

[Negrodamus]

He’s shooting like this because he wants a shorter, more compact release like Curry. He tried doing it on his own (with his trainers) and injured himself, and now he’s committed to finishing the transition.

It’s a silly decision, but what can we do?

I can see that. I just dont know how you can injure yourself by changing your mechanics

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winged_scapula

I think what he has/had is along those lines:

Severe atrophy of the trapezius is seen with accidental damage to the spinal accessory nerve during lymph node biopsy of the neck. There are numerous ways in which the long thoracic nerve can sustain trauma-induced injury. These include, but are not limited to, blunt trauma (e.g. blow to the neck or shoulder, sudden depression of the shoulder girdle, unusual twisting of the neck and shoulder), repetitive movements (as observed in athletic activities such as weight lifting or sports that involve throwing), excessive compression of the shoulder area by straps (see backpack palsy), and various household activities (e.g. gardening, digging, car washing, prolonged abduction of the arms when sleeping, propping up the head to read, etc.)

[rzzzzz]

c'mon. the kid couldn't lift his arm above his head without grimacing. he hurt his shoulder and/or his scapular muscles, just like the doc said. now how he hurt it, and who knew what when is still definitely up for grabs. and it's possible that this has messed with his head, though what i mostly see is him hanging it low every time he misses shots that he use to hit no problem.

[gdog2004]

c'mon. the kid couldn't lift his arm above his head without grimacing. he hurt his shoulder and/or his scapular muscles, just like the doc said. now how he hurt it, and who knew what when is still definitely up for grabs. and it's possible that this has messed with his head, though what i mostly see is him hanging it low every time he misses shots that he use to hit no problem.

I doubt that TBH. He is supposedly healthy now and he still cant shoot or play. I feel he just isn't mentally ready to play and has zero confidence in his shot.

[76ciology]

He’s shooting like this because he wants a shorter, more compact release like Curry. He tried doing it on his own (with his trainers) and injured himself, and now he’s committed to finishing the transition.

It’s a silly decision, but what can we do?

I can see that. I just dont know how you can injure yourself by changing your mechanics

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winged_scapula

I think what he has/had is along those lines:

Severe atrophy of the trapezius is seen with accidental damage to the spinal accessory nerve during lymph node biopsy of the neck. There are numerous ways in which the long thoracic nerve can sustain trauma-induced injury. These include, but are not limited to, blunt trauma (e.g. blow to the neck or shoulder, sudden depression of the shoulder girdle, unusual twisting of the neck and shoulder), repetitive movements (as observed in athletic activities such as weight lifting or sports that involve throwing), excessive compression of the shoulder area by straps (see backpack palsy), and various household activities (e.g. gardening, digging, car washing, prolonged abduction of the arms when sleeping, propping up the head to read, etc.)

Hmm.. recently i injured my shoulder by doing heavy bench and shooting deep 3s. i see the same thing with Fultz, a combination of weight lifting and maybe change in mechanics did hurt his shoulder. Btw my shoulder is still bad.

[rzzzzz]

I doubt that TBH. He is supposedly healthy now and he still cant shoot or play. I feel he just isn't mentally ready to play and has zero confidence in his shot.

i don't see how a cortisone shot is going to help his head. (i admit i haven't kept up on my neuropsychiatrics.) but what about those visits to Dr. Kibler to rule out surgery and check the progress Fultz was making vis a vis the scapular imbalance? i don't doubt our FO shenanigans, but why would a leading expert besmirch his reputation? i mean the dude's already making enough money that he probably ain't that desperate to risk a PR gag.

[XtremeDunkz]

Conspiracy theory. Fultz can shoot just fine. He is being held out until the playoffs the same way Ben is not allowed to shoot 3's until the playoffs so we can unleash an unstoppable force that no one had a chance to gameplan for. 2018 NBA Champions.

[Kolkmania]

Watching the Spurs and the defensive versatility and advantage on the boards Dejounte Murray gives is a great example of what Fultz could bring for us at the PG spot on the defensive end.

[gdog2004]

I doubt that TBH. He is supposedly healthy now and he still cant shoot or play. I feel he just isn't mentally ready to play and has zero confidence in his shot.

i don't see how a cortisone shot is going to help his head. (i admit i haven't kept up on my neuropsychiatrics.) but what about those visits to Dr. Kibler to rule out surgery and check the progress Fultz was making vis a vis the scapular imbalance? i don't doubt our FO shenanigans, but why would a leading expert besmirch his reputation? i mean the dude's already making enough money that he probably ain't that desperate to risk a PR gag.

He's not hurting his reputation by checking Fultz out.
Listen if he came back and was playing ok now it would be one thing. But he has been deemed 100% healthy for a month now.
I'm not going to pretend I didn't want Fultz, I did. Mostly everyone did.
But at this point he is looking like a colossal mistake. He's not playing because he isn't mentally ready and definitely has the yips because he used to be able to shoot and now he cant.
It sucks to have burned 2 high picks on him but what can you do ? Need to move on. I don't expect him to play this season.
Maybe next year he gets it together and comes back, but it looks pretty awful as of right now.

[BullyKing]

i don't see how a cortisone shot is going to help his head. (i admit i haven't kept up on my neuropsychiatrics.) but what about those visits to Dr. Kibler to rule out surgery and check the progress Fultz was making vis a vis the scapular imbalance? i don't doubt our FO shenanigans, but why would a leading expert besmirch his reputation? i mean the dude's already making enough money that he probably ain't that desperate to risk a PR gag.

He's not hurting his reputation by checking Fultz out.
Listen if he came back and was playing ok now it would be one thing. But he has been deemed 100% healthy for a month now.
I'm not going to pretend I didn't want Fultz, I did. Mostly everyone did.
But at this point he is looking like a colossal mistake. He's not playing because he isn't mentally ready and definitely has the yips because he used to be able to shoot and now he cant.
It sucks to have burned 2 high picks on him but what can you do ? Need to move on. I don't expect him to play this season.
Maybe next year he gets it together and comes back, but it looks pretty awful as of right now.

How many times do we need to say to keep all talk about the trade in the thread devoted to that? Next time will be a formal warning.

[nrok10307]

Anyone got some new grainy videos?

No matter your thoughts on the trade, I think we can all agree we could use a healthy Fultz for our playoff run. Less Bayless is a good thing.

[Sixerscan]

Between the overreaction to grainy videos and summer league I really think the NBA should just go back to televising only actual games and not allowing cameras at anything else. We have all this extra data and people have no idea how to contextualize it.

[Negrodamus]

Anyone got some new grainy videos?

No matter your thoughts on the trade, I think we can all agree we could use a healthy Fultz for our playoff run. Less Bayless is a good thing.

Keep an eye out on Twitter. It's a home game today and they frequently show shoot arounds leading up to the game. I feel like after the videos they have leaked and the subsequent reaction, the PR dept is probably trying to hide Fultz again.

[Negrodamus]

Read on Twitter

There you go! He hits a sweet fadeaway three at the end! Don't miss it!

[Bum Adebayo]

Read on Twitter

There you go! He hits a sweet fadeaway three at the end! Don't miss it!

His shot looks vastly improved.