2018 Brewers Discussion - Yelich Signing on Page 45

[Matches Malone]

I had to laugh reading this. These are our local radio hosts... what in the....

"Better version of Broxton" ? They aren't even in the same breathe.

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[DingleJerry]

Just sign Arrieta 4/80 if that's possible and you're sitting at 85ish over/under and have everything in your farm. Plenty of minor leaguers to trade for help at the deadline to fill a hole. Good luck pulling all that stuff off, next to impossible for that to come together.

[mlloyd10]

I'll say this again

Brinson/Ortiz/Diaz for Yelich
Santana for kipnis/Salazar
Harrison/Woodruff/Burnes for Archer
Sign Arrieta 4/80

Yelich
Thames
Braun
Shaw
Kipnis
Phillips
Pina
Arcia

Arrieta
Archer
Anderson
Salazer
Davies

That challenges the cubs

That completely empties the farm system of our high ceiling players. No way.

I see three high ceiling players - Brinson/Harrison/Burnes - We get Yelich and Archer out of it.

[JimmyTheKid]

If you believe in Brinson, why are you moving him (and likely one or two other good prospects) for a CF? We need to stay patient here, I by no means believe this team is a contender with Yelich. No way the rotation is anywhere near good enough. Rather just plug and play Brinson this year and see where we stand.

We also cannot afford to trade literally ANY of our pitching prospects for Yelich. I'm not saying we will, but if we do I'm going to be absolutely livid.

Even if Brinson brings more value as a defender, in a vacuum/made up trade of Brinson for Yelich - I'm absolutely making that trade.

The problem is that we're going to get taken to the cleaners on the remaining players involved in the deal.

Is there any evidence to suggest that David Stearns would ever get "taken to the cleaners?" Would love to see a breakdown of every move he's made as the Brewers GM. I'm sure Stearns has been on the wrong side of a couple, few deals, but it seems in his short time here he's the one taking other GM's to the cleaners.

[DingleJerry]

You'd be giving up three starting pitching prospects. One ready for the bigs now, one a clear high celing guy and then Ortiz who is a bit more of a question. Plus your number 1 guy in Brinson.

Morover, that Santana for Salazar is likely going to take a prospect or two from our end. And I don't think what you offer is enough to get Archer, so you're going to need more there. I also think you'd need more for yelich.

[Kerb Hohl]

If you believe in Brinson, why are you moving him (and likely one or two other good prospects) for a CF? We need to stay patient here, I by no means believe this team is a contender with Yelich. No way the rotation is anywhere near good enough. Rather just plug and play Brinson this year and see where we stand.

We also cannot afford to trade literally ANY of our pitching prospects for Yelich. I'm not saying we will, but if we do I'm going to be absolutely livid.

Even if Brinson brings more value as a defender, in a vacuum/made up trade of Brinson for Yelich - I'm absolutely making that trade.

The problem is that we're going to get taken to the cleaners on the remaining players involved in the deal.

Is there any evidence to suggest that David Stearns would ever get "taken to the cleaners?" Would love to see a breakdown of every move he's made as the Brewers GM. I'm sure Stearns has been on the wrong side of a couple, few deals, but it seems in his short time here he's the one taking other GM's to the cleaners.

Well, no...but he hasn't had to make a "win now" move yet. By definition he will be giving up a lot of the future.

[mlloyd10]

You'd be giving up three starting pitching prospects. One ready for the bigs now, one a clear high celing guy and then Ortiz who is a bit more of a question. Plus your number 1 guy in Brinson.

Morover, that Santana for Salazar is likely going to take a prospect or two from our end. And I don't think what you offer is enough to get Archer, so you're going to need more there. I also think you'd need more for yelich.

Santana has more value that Salazar simply based on health

[DingleJerry]

You'd be giving up three starting pitching prospects. One ready for the bigs now, one a clear high celing guy and then Ortiz who is a bit more of a question. Plus your number 1 guy in Brinson.

Morover, that Santana for Salazar is likely going to take a prospect or two from our end. And I don't think what you offer is enough to get Archer, so you're going to need more there. I also think you'd need more for yelich.

Santana has more value that Salazar simply based on health

We'll see. I think pitching trumps outfielder and we'd have to kick in. Who knows for sure but that's something I see wrong in a lot of the fan theories out there right now. I mean, if you have that trade on the table why not just do it and sign Cain since they supposedly want him so bad and have for weeks before this yelich stuff started? My guess is because it costs more than we think. Obviously could be wrong though.

[trwi7]

Salazar has declined the last two years, made 30 starts once and averages less than 6 innings per start and was so bad at one point last year they had to take him out of the rotation. He's more name than production at this point and Cleveland would probably give you Kipnis for nothing if you took his contract.

So why are we giving up Santana for them?

[Kerb Hohl]

I am indifferent on the whole Salazar matter. He seems to have been a bad luck guy last year. That said, I think he's very prone to HR so maybe he's always a guy where his FIP/xFIP are a bit better/misleading (and yeah, I know that HRs are one of the main elements in calculating FIP/xFIP).

[DingleJerry]

Yea personally Im not sold on Salazar as 'proven' yet we're giving up a lot for him, theoretically. So of names I've seen for this whole 'then trade Santana for a controlled good young P' idea the only one that I think qualifies is Archer and he's going to take a ton to get.

[MickeyDavis]

Nothing wrong with dealing some prospects at some point. Hell, some of them will be busts anyway. But I think it's still too early.

[trwi7]

My God, you guys have no idea how much I'm rooting for a 75 win season so I can read all the "derp what happened?" on bf.net.

[DingleJerry]

My God, you guys have no idea how much I'm rooting for a 75 win season so I can read all the "derp what happened?" on bf.net.

I know the team finished well in September. But to me the struggles of the second half showed to me that the first half was kind of a fluke and really we should just ride out the rebuild and not as close to competing as that first half seemed. Then throw in Nelson out for half the year too. And judging by them not going for it at the deadline I thought they agreed, but I guess not. I know we could talk in circles on things like Braun injury, bad closer to start, etc but you can do the same thing the other way around too.

Maybe they're just seeing a gap in the market right now though as their time to make moves with everyone geared up for next offseason but with three teams loaded in the NL I'd just ride it out and maybe make some small low risk plays to have a mid 80s expectation and hope for some luck.

[trwi7]

Now a juiced ball isn't a thing to them. Terrific. Terrific.

[Turk Nowitzki]

I'd love to have some insight as to what Stearns is thinking pursuing Yelich. Surely he is aware of everything we're discussing here. Does he think Yelich is really just that good? Is he trying to sell high on some of our guys he really doesn't think will pan out? Is he just bored and wants to make a move?

[DingleJerry]

I'd love to have some insight as to what Stearns is thinking pursuing Yelich. Surely he is aware of everything we're discussing here. Does he think Yelich is really just that good? Is he trying to sell high on some of our guys he really doesn't think will pan out? Is he just bored and wants to make a move?

Same here. And we heard Shaw's name out there too. Does he really think he and Santana were flukes or likely regressors? He seemed to buy into Anderson being legit right away to give that deal and I would have expected a Nelson deal if not for the injury. both those guys massively leaped last year too. Obviously P is different than hitting but it sure would be interesting to hear the internal discussions.

[trwi7]

My theory for the past month or two is that Stearns is in agreement with me that the team had a bunch of players overachieve with seasons they won't hit again but he doesn't want to make it seem like he believes that so we're "in" on basically every top trade and free agent target but oh shucks, we just got outbid.

[Ryan5UW]

I just hope they don't end up doing a trade like the Yelich one just so they can say "hey, we did something". I'm definitely on board with the philosophy of signing a couple of guys to add to what we already have and see what happens - we still need to be a team that gathers/adds pieces, not consolidating potential future pieces for "win now" ones when we don't seem to be in a spot to win now. I'd probably be happier if they did nothing as opposed to giving up several prospects for guy like Yelich.

[BUCKnation]

I'd be surprised if nothing followed the Yelich move. I think it sets off a chain reaction of moves like moving someone like Santana.