KIDD FIRED - Hughes/Grgurich also fired - Vin Baker Hired

[drew881]

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Watch this boys, you won't be disappointed.

KG and Rasheed talking about professionalism

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Both teams played hard

[randy84]

The Bucks still have players who have yet to demonstrate that they know how to win in the NBA. The bench is severely lacking. The roster is imbalanced, lacking centers who can deal with physical play at the rim, lacking three point shooters, and lacking a solid back up PF. The Bucks have more talent and experience than the Lakers, less than the Pelicans and much, much less than the Warriors. The Bucks' record reflects that lack of talent. I do not support Kidd, but I think it is off base to blame him alone for the Bucks' record when the players bear more of the responsibility.

Excellent points throughout your post, and an accurate assessment of the state of the Bucks.

My fear going forward is that we impute future success to getting rid of Kidd, or future lack of success to Prunty, or Kidd hangover, or some other red herring. Or worse, the need for a high-profile coach or someone with international cred like Blatt who would ruin the stew with too much stirring.

My hope for a coach will always be that he (or even she) gets out of the way and lets the players find their own way, both in terms of personal and team development. A good jockey doesn't make a horse run faster, but he doesn't impede him, either, and steers him to a part of the track on which he can make his run at the right time. A bad jockey can take a great horse and cause him to lose by pushing him too hard at the wrong time.

Give me a light touch coach and let this team develop as it will without being overly concerned about current schemes and rotations.

Again, all the things Kidd wasn't doing. It's pretty clear that Kidd was very heavy-handed so much so that Jabari was punished for general statements to the public. Still don't understand your defense of a coach that was doing the exact opposite of what you espouse.

[raferfenix]

Looks like the Bucks chose Jabari over Kidd.

More at play than that of course. But Kidd clamoring to trade Parker even before he got hurt again speaks volumes.

That's especially when he was blaming youth already for our losses. Obviously he'd prefer to trade another young guy coming back slowly from a serious injury for a win now veteran -- especially for a Schwartz client like Deandre Jordan.

[raferfenix]

Also I suspect Thon's lack of development was a significant part of why Grgurich was relieved of duty.

Obviously Maker might just not have it but it's not like our player development has been so good of late in general. Makes sense to shake things up especially if someone is highly loyal to Kidd.

[Ill-yasova]

I asked an NBA advance scout where he would rank Kidd among the 30 head coaches in the NBA. The scout said Kidd was the worst.

a bit harsh

When I asked the same question of another NBA official a few weeks later, noting that an advance scout regarded Kidd as the worst coach in the league, the official vehemently disagreed. When I asked him which coaches were worse than Kidd, he waited a few seconds before naming just one other coach.

that's about right

It has to be Scott Brooks, right?

[snoogans8056]

I asked an NBA advance scout where he would rank Kidd among the 30 head coaches in the NBA. The scout said Kidd was the worst.

a bit harsh

When I asked the same question of another NBA official a few weeks later, noting that an advance scout regarded Kidd as the worst coach in the league, the official vehemently disagreed. When I asked him which coaches were worse than Kidd, he waited a few seconds before naming just one other coach.

that's about right

The second guy is great. His vehemently disagreeing was due to Lu... some other coach.

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[Jimmmycrackcorn]

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as coach should have

same coach who benched jabari for discussing private meetings

hypocritical a**hole

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[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

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I like this response. Seems to show yes it was true but he is a little pissed that it was publicized but didn't get into it so this will die down.

[TroyD92]

That KG thing was so hilariously bad. None of them seem to realize he almost got fired last year.

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[GHOSTofSIKMA]

The Bucks still have players who have yet to demonstrate that they know how to win in the NBA. The bench is severely lacking. The roster is imbalanced, lacking centers who can deal with physical play at the rim, lacking three point shooters, and lacking a solid back up PF. The Bucks have more talent and experience than the Lakers, less than the Pelicans and much, much less than the Warriors. The Bucks' record reflects that lack of talent. I do not support Kidd, but I think it is off base to blame him alone for the Bucks' record when the players bear more of the responsibility.

Excellent points throughout your post, and an accurate assessment of the state of the Bucks.

seriously not good points. instead irrelevent except for making the case on why we aren't a finals contender yet.

the reason we are mediocre....the singular reason....is that we have piss poor defense despite a roster that is capable of far more. that is the singular reason our roster peaked 3 years ago in kidds first year and have regressed since.

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I hope he realizes now that his coach does not share the same view regarding private conversations.
Kidd probably will have regret already that he went public with that.
For Giannis, it's time to move on and be loyal to those who deserve it more than anyone.
To the fans. The only ones that will never let you down.

[bizarro]

The Bucks still have players who have yet to demonstrate that they know how to win in the NBA. The bench is severely lacking. The roster is imbalanced, lacking centers who can deal with physical play at the rim, lacking three point shooters, and lacking a solid back up PF. The Bucks have more talent and experience than the Lakers, less than the Pelicans and much, much less than the Warriors. The Bucks' record reflects that lack of talent. I do not support Kidd, but I think it is off base to blame him alone for the Bucks' record when the players bear more of the responsibility.

Excellent points throughout your post, and an accurate assessment of the state of the Bucks.

My fear going forward is that we impute future success to getting rid of Kidd, or future lack of success to Prunty, or Kidd hangover, or some other red herring. Or worse, the need for a high-profile coach or someone with international cred like Blatt who would ruin the stew with too much stirring.

My hope for a coach will always be that he (or even she) gets out of the way and lets the players find their own way, both in terms of personal and team development. A good jockey doesn't make a horse run faster, but he doesn't impede him, either, and steers him to a part of the track on which he can make his run at the right time. A bad jockey can take a great horse and cause him to lose by pushing him too hard at the wrong time.

Give me a light touch coach and let this team develop as it will without being overly concerned about current schemes and rotations.

Again, all the things Kidd wasn't doing. It's pretty clear that Kidd was very heavy-handed so much so that Jabari was punished for general statements to the public. Still don't understand your defense of a coach that was doing the exact opposite of what you espouse.

I think this is most definitely a classic 'Yes and' scenario.

Coach Jason Kidd is a poor NBA coach - in my eyes, this is an undeniable fact and its the majority opinion here though I accept other POV's claiming differently (though, I question what they are watching ). AND, the Bucks roster is also extremely overrated and generally unimpressive outside of a handful of players. I certainly don't know what the actual talent, when healthy, is capable of. BUT, I also know I eagerly await new opportunities to watch the progression under new leadership with new ideas - both offensively and defensively. The players clearly aren't capable of effectively executing their switch-heavy defense. They make glaring mistakes consistently and would be much better suited, imho, to an easier and more traditional scheme. Additionally, I don't think you can deny the absolute lack of creativity going on offensively. There is just consistently so little movement and just way way too much ISO ball.

[paulpressey25]

Questions for Sidney and Oldskool.

Do you guys think Kidd was in the top 25% of coaches?

Do you think Kidd did not have significant input in personnel decisions?

[Wooderson]

Many here point to Golden State as an example of a team that finds a holy grail of success after making a c

The Bucks still have players who have yet to demonstrate that they know how to win in the NBA. The bench is severely lacking. The roster is imbalanced, lacking centers who can deal with physical play at the rim, lacking three point shooters, and lacking a solid back up PF. The Bucks have more talent and experience than the Lakers, less than the Pelicans and much, much less than the Warriors. The Bucks' record reflects that lack of talent. I do not support Kidd, but I think it is off base to blame him alone for the Bucks' record when the players bear more of the responsibility.

Golden State went from literally last in the league in passes made under Jackson to top 10 with Kerr. Their whole offensive approach was revamped. Its just not just their offense took a huge leap, but how they got there. Totally disingenuous to say that reinvention was solely due to natural player development.

Re: Walton, it's a lot easier to continue to build off of someone else's system when nothing else has changed (players, other assistants etc) who already have the system ingrained in them. emunney touched on this before when talking about the Spurs coaching tree, but it's much more difficult to internalize and effectively communicate those same ideas to a different organization. Not to mention the youth (and talent) excuse is actually a valid one for the Lakers.

[Chapter29]

Questions for Sidney and Oldskool.

Do you guys think Kidd was in the top 25% of coaches?

Do you think Kidd did not have significant input in personnel decisions?

Oh oh I know this answer...... /me raises hand

[SupremeHustle]

Questions for Sidney and Oldskool.

Do you guys think Kidd was in the top 25% of coaches?

Do you think Kidd did not have significant input in personnel decisions?

I would like to add a question. Do you think Kidd was the best available coach for the Bucks?

[crkone]

Questions for Sidney and Oldskool.

Do you guys think Kidd was in the top 25% of coaches?

Do you think Kidd did not have significant input in personnel decisions?

I would like to add a question. Do you think Kidd was the best available coach for the Bucks?

Funny part was he wasn't really even "available". Bucks had to buy him.