KIDD FIRED - Hughes/Grgurich also fired - Vin Baker Hired

[Perishable517]

That smile is actually very unsettling. Almost in a Pennywise the Dancing Clown way

LOL

Right on!

He is looking at you.

He is thinking "Yeah, I know what you did. You know I do."

[emunney]

(FWIW, everybody has Capel taking over for K when he hangs up the clipboard, but I think it's 100% going to be Scheyer)

[SupremeHustle]

"Whatever the front office can do to make us a championship team, it can happen. If it's me getting traded..."

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[econniption]

"Whatever the front office can do to make us a championship team, it can happen. If it's me getting traded..."

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I'm surprised "Giannis demands trade from Bucks" isn't on ESPN's front page right now.

[crkone]

That smile is actually very unsettling. Almost in a Pennywise the Dancing Clown way

LOL

Right on!

He is looking at you.

He is thinking "Yeah, I know what you did. You know I do."

It really needs to be a GIF with him blinking every 10 seconds.

[SupremeHustle]

i remember aussie buck one time saying that we all have our bad moments on this board. well this one belongs to sid and jtk.

One of those guys has had enough of them that it should feel like home.

[xTitan]

There are a couple of points I'd like to touch on after reading several pages of this thread...

You people are way to hard on Sweeney, he is very well thought of as a defensive coach and like all good coaches he could teach several different defenses that would work successfully depending on your personnel. The defense the Bucks employed was Kidd's choice, the lack of flexibility and change was Kidd's choice.

I think everyone is missing the real story at this point, am I the only one who finds it extremely interesting that Lasry and Dinan have yet to comment at all? We all saw the disfunction last summer during the GM debacle, I'm not sure this group can stay together moving forward, have a feeling we are going to hear stories about a possible split moving forward, not sure who I'd actually want to stay.

[SupremeHustle]

"Whatever the front office can do to make us a championship team, it can happen. If it's me getting traded..."

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I'm surprised "Giannis demands trade from Bucks" isn't on ESPN's front page right now.

I was trying to do my MD thing and instigate that

[randy84]

Questions for Sidney and Oldskool.

Do you guys think Kidd was in the top 25% of coaches?

Do you think Kidd did not have significant input in personnel decisions?

Second question first: I think he had input. I would also agree with your implicit assumption that as a talent evaluator he left a lot to be desired. But it's probably disingenuous to pin all the bad personnel decisions this organization has made in the last four years to him.

Top 25%? I don't know what criteria to apply to make such a ranking. As I've often observed with respect to NBA coaches and organizations generally, most will make the same decisions when presented with the same situations, so there's not a lot to choose among them. He's made lots of in-game bloopers that a Popovich would not make, but with respect to the things that relate to ownership of the future -- player development, players learning how to be "pros," etc., I think he gets a passing grade. Did his non-interventionist approach (which is what it clearly was despite opinions to the contrary) accelerate Giannis's ability to learn the NBA game in a way that a more structured program would not have? I'd say probably yes.

With regards to KIdd, what did he do that gave you the opinion that his approach was "non-interventionist"?

[smauss]

There are a couple of points I'd like to touch on after reading several pages of this thread...

You people are way to hard on Sweeney, he is very well thought of as a defensive coach and like all good coaches he could teach several different defenses that would work successfully depending on your personnel. The defense the Bucks employed was Kidd's choice, the lack of flexibility and change was Kidd's choice.

I think everyone is missing the real story at this point, am I the only one who finds it extremely interesting that Lasry and Dinan have yet to comment at all? We all saw the disfunction last summer during the GM debacle, I'm not sure this group can stay together moving forward, have a feeling we are going to hear stories about a possible split moving forward, not sure who I'd actually want to stay.

If this can be proven xTitan, I will be the first to apologize. I was under the understanding that this defense was Sweeny's baby from the getgo.

[ReginaldDwight]

There are a couple of points I'd like to touch on after reading several pages of this thread...

You people are way to hard on Sweeney, he is very well thought of as a defensive coach and like all good coaches he could teach several different defenses that would work successfully depending on your personnel. The defense the Bucks employed was Kidd's choice, the lack of flexibility and change was Kidd's choice.

I think everyone is missing the real story at this point, am I the only one who finds it extremely interesting that Lasry and Dinan have yet to comment at all? We all saw the disfunction last summer during the GM debacle, I'm not sure this group can stay together moving forward, have a feeling we are going to hear stories about a possible split moving forward, not sure who I'd actually want to stay.

Those two clowns are probably doing rails across the river from me and havent seen the news yet.

[skones]

(FWIW, everybody has Capel taking over for K when he hangs up the clipboard, but I think it's 100% going to be Scheyer)

Who's Scheyer, only see the white pg from duke.

[crkone]

Anyone read Sweeney's book?

https://www.amazon.com/101-Plays-Play-Offs-Se%C3%A1n-Sweeney/dp/1463520433

[KidA24]

I think Kidd brought some credibility to the team among players that we no longer need because Giannis overshadows everything.

Kidd's parting shot took credit for putting the Bucks on the map, and I think in fairness you have to acknowledge that there's something there. And while it's painful for Kidd haters to acknowledge that what may have been the fastest, most pronounced four-year improvement curve of any NBA player in history took place on his watch, it did. Would it have happened anyway? Did Kidd's connections and his ability to bring in special guest tutors foster it? Did Kidd's standing as a future HOFer add weight to the necessary lessons of basketball neophyte Giannis? Did he have a hand in Giannis's physicial development, his motivation, the way he now plays?

All unknowns that are answered a little too glibly in the negative by Kidd haters.

Internal personal drive is what transforms players from good to great. You've heard the stories about Giannis - Late nights in the gym, the coaches actually telling him to practice LESS because of the toll it was taking on his body.

Kidd might've done some small part in putting the Bucks "On the map" but as evidenced by the cluelessness in the national media over the last few days, they clearly aren't on any kind of actual map of NBA knowledge (You don't get that until you actually win).

If Kidd made Giannis into Giannis, why couldn't he get any of the other young players they drafted in the last 4 years to actually improve?

Damien Inglis. Michael Carter-Williams. Tyler Ennis. Rashad Vaughn. Thon Maker. Johnny O'Bryant. DJ Wilson.

If he able to get the most out of young talent, why did the Bucks consistently get rid of draft picks under his watch?

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Sean Kilpatrick: master of the sneaky shots at Kidd.

[Fresh_Prince12]

Giannis seemed pissed that Kidd leaked he got a call from him

[Balls2TheWalls]

Giannis seemed pissed that Kidd leaked he got a call from him

That is what I got too. He tried to play it off, but repeated that he liked for things to stay private.

[SirChurros]

(FWIW, everybody has Capel taking over for K when he hangs up the clipboard, but I think it's 100% going to be Scheyer)

Capel is an awful coach. Highly responsible for their recent recruiting efforts, though.

On a side note, I think Scheyer is going to be a really good coach someday.

[humanrefutation]

Anyone read Sweeney's book?

https://www.amazon.com/101-Plays-Play-Offs-Se%C3%A1n-Sweeney/dp/1463520433

I thought that book cover was a bad photoshop job.

[3Diamantidis]

"Whatever the front office can do to make us a championship team, it can happen. If it's me getting traded..."

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He tries not to laugh at 1:34("if it's me getting traded...")