Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 5

[BobbieL]

I think people are misreading the Jason Kidd rumors. I believe it was that he wanted out of Mil. to take the Phx job when it was open before he had his contract extension, which was in the summer of 2016. At that point Watson was the interim coach.

Ryan McDonough will not seek out Jason Kidd for this job after all that has transpired since then for the same reasons I believe he won't look at someone like Mark Jackson: this organization has no room for extra drama.

I have been a McD supporter. But if he even interviews Kidd for the job he should be fired.

I just am not sure I want a recent former player

I like Triano because he has paid his dues, has watched a lot of basketball games, has coached, taught basketball.

Kerr works for the Warriors because of the talent. Not that he hasn't done a good job - but such a different role, different team Kerr as the Suns coach - not sure I see it

[gardenofsound]

Bulls fan here in peace.

What's your guys take on Brandon Knight? Is he part of the future plans?

Is there anything not including first rounders, Markkanen, Lavine, or Dunn, that you would want from the Bulls in exchange for taking on Knight's salary and the rights to the Milwaukee pick? The Bulls could absorb Knight's contract outright, so you don't even have to take anything back if you don't want.

Curious what your thoughts are.

I would give it some serious thought. But probably not unless we found out we could sign a max guy and needed to move the contract for space. But that pick is only top 3 protected next year, so an injury to the Freak or something could make it a decent pick.

I'd probably hold off. Why would you want Knight? In all likelihood that pick won't be that great and might not convey for a couple of years.

Why would the Bulls want Knight? Well, they don't really want him per se, they want the pick that comes with him. Knight can't play this year which means it helps out our tank also, which is a major benefit for us. He would potentially slot in as a backup guard for the Bulls next year and in 2019-2020. I think the Bulls should look to consolidate so that a bunch of contracts expire in 2020 so that they can make a run at Anthony Davis. Knight can't play this year which means it helps out our tank.

Mirotic is not part of the Bulls' future. Markkanen is already looking like a star in the making, and Portis needs to get more minutes, so Mirotic is the older odd man out.

One of Mirotic/Portis has to go due to their fight and Mirotic not wanting to be on the same team as Portis anymore. Grant is also not part of the Bulls' future with Dunn's emergence, and the Bulls want to get a look at Payne and build his value back up.

The pick is likely to convey this year, and while an injury to Giannis would heavily add value to the pick, it also is unlikely and could be said for any team/pick. From the Bulls' perspective, I don't approach this as an expectation for a high lotto pick, but as a late lotto or just outside of it. That's just the risk you take though, with any pick. I see the pick as likely to convey this year in the 14-16 range.

That's it.

[Revived]

Soooooo..... can we get a first for Daniels? Cuz dayum.

No. Considering we got a 2nd to take his contract, he doesn't have much value. He's always been a really good 3 pt shooter. I wouldn't be surprised if a playoff team wanted him, they'd have to have cap space to absorb. I mean if Philly wanted another shooter the might give us a 2nd or something...since they likely have a ton of picks...but we have a bunch of 2nds too.

I wouldn’t trade him for a 2nd, we need a proven shooter like him more than we need another 2nd rd pick.

[Cutter]

Soooooo..... can we get a first for Daniels? Cuz dayum.

No. Considering we got a 2nd to take his contract, he doesn't have much value. He's always been a really good 3 pt shooter. I wouldn't be surprised if a playoff team wanted him, they'd have to have cap space to absorb. I mean if Philly wanted another shooter the might give us a 2nd or something...since they likely have a ton of picks...but we have a bunch of 2nds too.

I wouldn’t trade him for a 2nd, we need a proven shooter like him more than we need another 2nd rd pick.

I agree completely! We have a very good 3 point shooter shooting an excellent 42.5% on fairly high volume of 5.4 attempts per game. Plus he is ok coming off the bench. This is the kind of guy you scour the NBA for and try to sign, not the guy you trade for a draft pick. The last thing we need is another draft pick.

[bwgood77]

No. Considering we got a 2nd to take his contract, he doesn't have much value. He's always been a really good 3 pt shooter. I wouldn't be surprised if a playoff team wanted him, they'd have to have cap space to absorb. I mean if Philly wanted another shooter the might give us a 2nd or something...since they likely have a ton of picks...but we have a bunch of 2nds too.

I wouldn’t trade him for a 2nd, we need a proven shooter like him more than we need another 2nd rd pick.

I agree completely! We have a very good 3 point shooter shooting an excellent 42.5% on fairly high volume of 5.4 attempts per game. Plus he is ok coming off the bench. This is the kind of guy you scour the NBA for and try to sign, not the guy you trade for a draft pick. The last thing we need is another draft pick.

I wouldn't say I'd trade him for a 2nd, just that it is what he would likely net if we tried to trade him...not a first...but yeah, I mentioned we already have like 4 2nds so there isn't much point.

[WeekapaugGroove]

For as maddening as Chriss can be the suns definitely miss him right now. He's much more physically ready to face starting pfs than bender. Plus it removes the wild card of when you get the good chriss game and booker and warren do their thing its their best chance.

[Kerrsed]

Here's something i found interesting, Remember when we were all looking at trades with Cleveland to get them Bledsoe, but were told that Lebron was saying he didnt want Bledsoe there, well looks like the story has changed.

According to ESPN’s Brian Windhorst, James is most upset about what didn’t happen. In an appearance on the Lowe Post podcast, Windhorst told his ESPN colleague Zach Lowe that the thing that bothers LeBron most about the Cavs was that they missed out on Paul George and Eric Bledsoe.

[bwgood77]

Here's something i found interesting, Remember when we were all looking at trades with Cleveland to get them Bledsoe, but were told that Lebron was saying he didnt want Bledsoe there, well looks like the story has changed.

According to ESPN’s Brian Windhorst, James is most upset about what didn’t happen. In an appearance on the Lowe Post podcast, Windhorst told his ESPN colleague Zach Lowe that the thing that bothers LeBron most about the Cavs was that they missed out on Paul George and Eric Bledsoe.

That's the whole reason Irving wanted out of Cleveland, because he heard that they were trying to deal him to end up with George and Bledsoe. The deal fell through, his feelings got hurt and Irving said he wanted out, and gave that list of teams after realizing he may have ended up in Phoenix.

[BobbieL]

Here's something i found interesting, Remember when we were all looking at trades with Cleveland to get them Bledsoe, but were told that Lebron was saying he didnt want Bledsoe there, well looks like the story has changed.

According to ESPN’s Brian Windhorst, James is most upset about what didn’t happen. In an appearance on the Lowe Post podcast, Windhorst told his ESPN colleague Zach Lowe that the thing that bothers LeBron most about the Cavs was that they missed out on Paul George and Eric Bledsoe.

Paul George makes sense as he is a darn good player and would probably be better than Love

Bledsoe - for the Cavs - how they play with LeBron dominating the ball - Bledsoe might have worked better than Thomas

I still am not sure why the Cavs weren't willing to give up that end of the first round pick for Bledsoe - or if that was a hold up?

Maybe the Suns didn't want Shumperts contract too. Monroe is expiring.

[hollywood6964]

Here's something i found interesting, Remember when we were all looking at trades with Cleveland to get them Bledsoe, but were told that Lebron was saying he didnt want Bledsoe there, well looks like the story has changed.

According to ESPN’s Brian Windhorst, James is most upset about what didn’t happen. In an appearance on the Lowe Post podcast, Windhorst told his ESPN colleague Zach Lowe that the thing that bothers LeBron most about the Cavs was that they missed out on Paul George and Eric Bledsoe.

That's the whole reason Irving wanted out of Cleveland, because he heard that they were trying to deal him to end up with George and Bledsoe. The deal fell through, his feelings got hurt and Irving said he wanted out, and gave that list of teams after realizing he may have ended up in Phoenix.

Sounds right. Besides the other stuff, going to phoenix could traumatize any star player used to winning.

[Bogyo]

Question: you guys know about a(n expiring) player and a 2nd traded for a first ever? I can't think of any. Only my memory failing me, or there is other reasons why this can't be done/wasn't done?
Just popped my mind that we have Moose (and maybe Daniels) who could be intresting to other teams - maybe for a 2nd rounder. But we already have too many of those. So what if we packaged our 2nd (and maybe the Toronto 2nd) with one of them to a playoff team and get another first that way?
I'm pretty sure we will not be able to package 2-3 second rounders to move up to a first, so why not try this way? For example Pacers could use Daniels's shooting on their bench, they have the cap space and the 19th pick now. I would easily give them Daniels and our 3 second rounders for it... Thoughts?

[jbk1234]

Here's something i found interesting, Remember when we were all looking at trades with Cleveland to get them Bledsoe, but were told that Lebron was saying he didnt want Bledsoe there, well looks like the story has changed.

According to ESPN’s Brian Windhorst, James is most upset about what didn’t happen. In an appearance on the Lowe Post podcast, Windhorst told his ESPN colleague Zach Lowe that the thing that bothers LeBron most about the Cavs was that they missed out on Paul George and Eric Bledsoe.

The story out of Cleveland is that Gilbert asked PG if he would extend in Cleveland, PG said I'll extend if LBJ will commit to an extension, and LBJ said no. So this seems like a bit of revisionist history out of LBJ's camp tbh.

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[Kerrsed]

Here's something i found interesting, Remember when we were all looking at trades with Cleveland to get them Bledsoe, but were told that Lebron was saying he didnt want Bledsoe there, well looks like the story has changed.

According to ESPN’s Brian Windhorst, James is most upset about what didn’t happen. In an appearance on the Lowe Post podcast, Windhorst told his ESPN colleague Zach Lowe that the thing that bothers LeBron most about the Cavs was that they missed out on Paul George and Eric Bledsoe.

The story out of Cleveland is that Gilbert asked PG if he would extend in Cleveland, PG said I'll extend if LBJ will commit to an extension, and LBJ said no. So this seems like a bit of revisionist history out of LBJ's camp tbh.

Well i also remember us going crazy trying to come up with a Bledsoe to Cleveland 3-way (Especially after hearing he was spending time with Lebron in Vegas during the offseason), and then reading how he didnt want Bledsoe there and trying to keep Bledsoe out of Cleveland. We figured it was due to him taking off soon and Bledsoe being stranded there on a 3 year deal, not wanting to screw over a buddie and also being a Rich Paul guy.

I know there were at least rumors of that being the case because we were all puzzled.

[bwgood77]

Question: you guys know about a(n expiring) player and a 2nd traded for a first ever? I can't think of any. Only my memory failing me, or there is other reasons why this can't be done/wasn't done?
Just popped my mind that we have Moose (and maybe Daniels) who could be intresting to other teams - maybe for a 2nd rounder. But we already have too many of those. So what if we packaged our 2nd (and maybe the Toronto 2nd) with one of them to a playoff team and get another first that way?
I'm pretty sure we will not be able to package 2-3 second rounders to move up to a first, so why not try this way? For example Pacers could use Daniels's shooting on their bench, they have the cap space and the 19th pick now. I would easily give them Daniels and our 3 second rounders for it... Thoughts?

I'm sure it's happened, but the big problem here is that I can't think of any playoff teams that have cap space to absorb him so they'd have to send us salary back, and it likely wouldn't be an expiring. I'm not sure where Monroe fits either. Philly may have the cap space but they don't need a player like him.

Plus a playoff team would likely be a late first and our 2nd would be like 35. So to trade like 35 (and another 2nd) for 27 or something wouldn't be worth it if we had to take back a bad contract.

[bwgood77]

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Well if Chriss is ready, he should start, and hopefully he can pick up where he left off (Bender is better off bench anyway)...not sure if that would be called a change to starting lineup. Maybe they should try Booker/Jackson/Warren/Chriss and a C (maybe Monroe since he is the best passer).

[Cutter]

Assuming the "Kawhi wants out of SA" rumor being spread by Jalen Rose is true, I would not hesitate to trade the Suns 2018 unprotected 1st plus filler for Kawhi. Get an upper tier PG dangling other assets like Josh Jackson and/or Chriss, Bender plus Miami picks whatever it takes to run with Booker and Kawhi. Get it done McD.

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1663694

[Cutter]

Assuming the "Kawhi wants out of SA" rumor being spread by Jalen Rose is true, I would not hesitate to trade the Suns 2018 unprotected 1st plus filler for Kawhi. Get an upper tier PG dangling other assets like Josh Jackson and/or Chriss, Bender plus Miami picks whatever it takes to run with Booker and Kawhi. Get it done McD.

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1663694

Will never happen but....

Spurs get: Warren, Suns 2018 1st, salary filler (let the Spurs rebuild begin!)
Suns get: Kawhi Leonard (under contract for 2 1/2 more years)

Suns swing a trade with a desperate Cavs team for Kevin Love somehow

Vet PG/?
Booker/Troy Daniels
Kawhi/Josh Jackson
Love/Bender or Chriss
Len/Sauce

Has potential....

[hollywood6964]

Assuming the "Kawhi wants out of SA" rumor being spread by Jalen Rose is true, I would not hesitate to trade the Suns 2018 unprotected 1st plus filler for Kawhi. Get an upper tier PG dangling other assets like Josh Jackson and/or Chriss, Bender plus Miami picks whatever it takes to run with Booker and Kawhi. Get it done McD.

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1663694

Dry up. The last big trade the suns made where they acquired a truly desired asset was jason kidd.

[Sreister]

Assuming the "Kawhi wants out of SA" rumor being spread by Jalen Rose is true, I would not hesitate to trade the Suns 2018 unprotected 1st plus filler for Kawhi. Get an upper tier PG dangling other assets like Josh Jackson and/or Chriss, Bender plus Miami picks whatever it takes to run with Booker and Kawhi. Get it done McD.

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1663694

Will never happen but....

Spurs get: Warren, Suns 2018 1st, salary filler (let the Spurs rebuild begin!)
Suns get: Kawhi Leonard (under contract for 2 1/2 more years)

Suns swing a trade with a desperate Cavs team for Kevin Love somehow

Vet PG/?
Booker/Troy Daniels
Kawhi/Josh Jackson
Love/Bender or Chriss
Len/Sauce

Has potential....

I assume the eye roll meant you were joking? That might be the cheapest a superstar has ever cost to get in a trade.