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Who would you take at 3 if Ayton/Doncic gone?

Bamba
9
13%
Bagley
11
16%
Jackson
9
13%
Porter
25
36%
Young
16
23%
 
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Post#1181 » by WeekapaugGroove » Wed Jan 24, 2018 10:16 pm

Walt_Uoob wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
Walt_Uoob wrote:Has Bamba played any big important games or against other top prospects yet? I read this incredibly glowing scouting report on Hasheem Thabeet [http://www.nbadraft.net/players/hasheem-thabeet] that has me really worried about Bamba's bust potential. Are there big differences in their games that make any of you sure Bamba is more of a Gobert than a Thabeet?


I've thought about Hasheem Thabeet too when thinking of Bamba, who was taken at #2 in the Curry/Harden draft. Blake Griffin went 1. That's why I'd have a hard time taking Bamba over Doncic and Young. Bagley is probably more like the Blake in that scenario.


Yeah Bamba is feeling more like an interesting consolation prize in the 7-12 range than a top-5 guy. I think on a big board I'd have to put him after Doncic, Ayton, Young, Porter, Bagley, Jackson, and Mikal Bridges for sure, and maybe some others.


Yeah I look at Bamba the same way I looked at Dennis Smith this past draft. If you take him top 5 you get nervous but if he falls to you at like 8 you would be super happy to land a guy with that kind of upside that late. His length is otherworldly.
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Post#1182 » by Mulhollanddrive » Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:03 am

Freshmen comparison per 30:

Bamba - 12 points, 11 rebounds, 4 blocks / 61% 2PA, 61% FTA
Thabbeet - 7 points, 7 rebounds, 4 blocks / 55% 2PA, 51% FTA
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Post#1183 » by Thebullsgod1993 » Thu Jan 25, 2018 2:12 am

I really like Trae Young or Ayton on this team. Obviously Jackson Warren and Booker are the future of this core. I don't think you give up on Chriss or Bender just yet at PF. Trae Young at point or Ayton at center should be there pick this year.
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Post#1184 » by bwgood77 » Thu Jan 25, 2018 2:56 am

Thebullsgod1993 wrote:I really like Trae Young or Ayton on this team. Obviously Jackson Warren and Booker are the future of this core. I don't think you give up on Chriss or Bender just yet at PF. Trae Young at point or Ayton at center should be there pick this year.


Yeah, it'd be nice if one were available whenever we pick.
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Post#1185 » by RunDogGun » Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:05 am

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RunDogGun wrote:How do we pass on Shai? He is a Canadian pg from Kentucky. :D


Well, we passed on Jamal Murray, who isn't exactly lighting the world on fire, except against us the other night.

Also, Archie, BK, EB and Ulis haven't all exactly panned out well.

Maybe we should stick to Canadian point guards from smaller schools and Kentucky shooting guards (though Murray is actually more of a SG).

I do like Shai though...at least what I've read and studied about him..haven't watched him much.

I was half joking really but I do like his height and his abilities. Now if he was a twin or had a brother much better than him, then we would be all in.

It would be great to keep our pick and trade all of the other picks in this draft to move up to get Skai. Then we could check off two positions of need with either Bamba or JJJr with our pick. I really hope we are scouting like crazy.
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Post#1186 » by jcsunsfan » Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:00 pm

Mulhollanddrive wrote:Freshmen comparison per 30:

Bamba - 12 points, 11 rebounds, 4 blocks / 61% 2PA, 61% FTA
Thabbeet - 7 points, 7 rebounds, 4 blocks / 55% 2PA, 51% FTA


Bamba is 6th in usage on his team. Not sure what that means. Either he is not very good offensively or the rest of the team are ball hogs.
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Post#1187 » by bwgood77 » Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:57 pm

2018 NBA mock draft http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/22197560/2018-nba-mock-draft-trae-young-luka-doncic-brooklyn-pick

Our mock draft differs in two crucial ways from our recently updated top-100 prospect rankings. It uses ESPN's BPI to project the draft order, and it's adjusted for NBA team needs accordingly. it also attempts to project which players will ultimately end up declaring and keeping their name in the draft.

1. Sacramento Kings
Luka Doncic
Real Madrid
Age: 18.9
PG


Height: 6-foot-8 | Weight: 228 | PER: 27.5

Although the Kings have some interesting backcourt pieces, they still have a ways to go in terms of turning into a cohesive unit capable of winning games.

Doncic has the size, skill and versatility to fit in very well alongside all their young talent, and he would pair very well with an athletic shot-creator who can defend multiple positions in De'Aaron Fox. He's having a phenomenal season in Europe, posting historic numbers in the Euroleague and Spanish ACB for an 18-year-old.

Starting salary: $8,095,680

2. Atlanta Hawks
Deandre Ayton
Arizona
Freshman
C


Height: 7-foot | Weight: 243 | PER: 32.8

The Hawks are not in a position to draft based on need at this stage of their rebuilding effort, and there are question marks about how well promising big man John Collins fits in alongside another center who doesn't protect the rim at an elite rate.

Nevertheless, Ayton has elevated himself into the conversation as a top-two pick with his incredible, natural physical tools and high skill-level. His rebounding and scoring prowess could be very attractive here, even if Mohamed Bamba might actually be a better fit stylistically.

Starting salary: $7,243,440

3. Phoenix Suns
Mohamed Bamba
Texas
Freshman
C


Height: 7-foot | Weight: 207 | PER: 28.2

With Tyson Chandler on the wrong side of 30 and Alex Len entering unrestricted free agency, shoring up the center position looks like a natural move for the Suns here. It helps that they won't be sacrificing anything in terms of talent, as Bamba will likely get some looks in the top two as well due to his rare combination of length, shot-blocking instincts and offensive promise.

Bamba is starting to make 3-pointers more consistently (6-for-17 in his past 8 games), and his unicorn potential gives him arguably the highest upside of any player in this draft.

Starting salary: $6,504,600

4. Orlando Magic
Marvin Bagley III
Duke
Freshman
PF/C


Height: 6-foot-11 | Weight: 234 | PER: 32.7

Although there are some positional concerns regarding Bagley and his fit in the modern NBA, at some point, his talent level and sheer production are likely too great to pass on.

Although the Magic could very well be in the market for a point guard, there are still question marks about whether Trae Young is worthy of being picked this high. Bagley is likely best suited for the center spot, and his scoring instincts, rebounding prowess and athleticism would make for an interesting fit alongside Aaron Gordon and Jonathan Isaac.

Starting salary: $5,864,640

5. Chicago Bulls
Jaren Jackson
Michigan State
Freshman
PF/C


Height: 6-foot-11 | Weight: 242 | PER: 28.2

At 6-foot-11, 242 pounds with a 7-foot-4 wingspan, it's very likely that Jackson sees significant minutes at center in the NBA as his promising frame fills out, rather than at the 4 like he mostly does in college at the moment. Jackson's ability to space the floor (45 percent from 3, 81 percent from the line), block shots (5.7 per-40 minutes), switch on every screen and, increasingly, put the ball on the floor from the perimeter make him an ideal fit for the modern NBA.

He would complement the promising Lauri Markkanen well in many ways and has significant upside to grow into as well, as he's the youngest player currently projected to be drafted.

Starting salary: $5,310,720

6. Cleveland Cavaliers (via Nets)
Michael Porter Jr.
Missouri
Freshman
SF/PF


Height: 6-foot-10 | Weight: 214

With an uncertain future on the horizon due to LeBron James' free agency, the Cavs will need to stockpile as much talent as they can regardless of their hopes of keeping the King at home. Michael Porter came into the season with the hope of making a run at being the No. 1 pick in the draft, but unfortunately, he hasn't been able to build his case due to a back injury.

The results of his medical examination will play a significant role in where he ultimately is drafted, but NBA teams don't appear to be overly concerned right now about the nature of the injury and his long-term prognosis.

Starting salary: $4,823,520

Cleveland will receive Brooklyn's first-round pick unprotected.

7. Philadelphia 76ers (via Lakers)
Trae Young
Oklahoma
Freshman
PG


Height: 6-foot-2 | Weight: 176 | PER: 34.6

The Sixers are in line to draft in the top 10 due to the shrewd Michael Carter-Williams trade made by Sam Hinkie three years ago, as long as the pick doesn't fall between Nos. 2-5.

If this season has shown us anything, it's that Philadelphia is still in need of help with shot-creation and shot-making, despite the promising play of Ben Simmons at PG. Young's tremendous shooting prowess will allow him to play at different spots on the floor, even alongside Markelle Fultz.

Starting salary: $4,403,280

Philadelphia will receive L.A.'s pick if it lands at No. 1 or Nos. 6-30. Otherwise, the pick goes to Boston. BPI projects that Philly has a 78.1 percent chance of getting this pick, with a 5.0 percent chance that it ends up No. 1.
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Post#1188 » by Walt_Uoob » Thu Jan 25, 2018 5:30 pm

If it shakes out like that I'd probably look to trade #3 for a pick in the 6-9 range and a future first, similar to the trade Boston made last draft. Seems like this draft is a little deeper than initially assumed and someone great will fall to that range.
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Post#1189 » by bwgood77 » Thu Jan 25, 2018 5:55 pm

Walt_Uoob wrote:If it shakes out like that I'd probably look to trade #3 for a pick in the 6-9 range and a future first, similar to the trade Boston made last draft. Seems like this draft is a little deeper than initially assumed and someone great will fall to that range.


You wouldn't just take Young or Porter at 3? Or Bagley if you like him?
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Post#1190 » by Cutter » Thu Jan 25, 2018 6:03 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
2018 NBA mock draft http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/22197560/2018-nba-mock-draft-trae-young-luka-doncic-brooklyn-pick

Our mock draft differs in two crucial ways from our recently updated top-100 prospect rankings. It uses ESPN's BPI to project the draft order, and it's adjusted for NBA team needs accordingly. it also attempts to project which players will ultimately end up declaring and keeping their name in the draft.

1. Sacramento Kings
Luka Doncic
Real Madrid
Age: 18.9
PG


Height: 6-foot-8 | Weight: 228 | PER: 27.5

Although the Kings have some interesting backcourt pieces, they still have a ways to go in terms of turning into a cohesive unit capable of winning games.

Doncic has the size, skill and versatility to fit in very well alongside all their young talent, and he would pair very well with an athletic shot-creator who can defend multiple positions in De'Aaron Fox. He's having a phenomenal season in Europe, posting historic numbers in the Euroleague and Spanish ACB for an 18-year-old.

Starting salary: $8,095,680

2. Atlanta Hawks
Deandre Ayton
Arizona
Freshman
C


Height: 7-foot | Weight: 243 | PER: 32.8

The Hawks are not in a position to draft based on need at this stage of their rebuilding effort, and there are question marks about how well promising big man John Collins fits in alongside another center who doesn't protect the rim at an elite rate.

Nevertheless, Ayton has elevated himself into the conversation as a top-two pick with his incredible, natural physical tools and high skill-level. His rebounding and scoring prowess could be very attractive here, even if Mohamed Bamba might actually be a better fit stylistically.

Starting salary: $7,243,440

3. Phoenix Suns
Mohamed Bamba
Texas
Freshman
C


Height: 7-foot | Weight: 207 | PER: 28.2

With Tyson Chandler on the wrong side of 30 and Alex Len entering unrestricted free agency, shoring up the center position looks like a natural move for the Suns here. It helps that they won't be sacrificing anything in terms of talent, as Bamba will likely get some looks in the top two as well due to his rare combination of length, shot-blocking instincts and offensive promise.

Bamba is starting to make 3-pointers more consistently (6-for-17 in his past 8 games), and his unicorn potential gives him arguably the highest upside of any player in this draft.

Starting salary: $6,504,600

4. Orlando Magic
Marvin Bagley III
Duke
Freshman
PF/C


Height: 6-foot-11 | Weight: 234 | PER: 32.7

Although there are some positional concerns regarding Bagley and his fit in the modern NBA, at some point, his talent level and sheer production are likely too great to pass on.

Although the Magic could very well be in the market for a point guard, there are still question marks about whether Trae Young is worthy of being picked this high. Bagley is likely best suited for the center spot, and his scoring instincts, rebounding prowess and athleticism would make for an interesting fit alongside Aaron Gordon and Jonathan Isaac.

Starting salary: $5,864,640

5. Chicago Bulls
Jaren Jackson
Michigan State
Freshman
PF/C


Height: 6-foot-11 | Weight: 242 | PER: 28.2

At 6-foot-11, 242 pounds with a 7-foot-4 wingspan, it's very likely that Jackson sees significant minutes at center in the NBA as his promising frame fills out, rather than at the 4 like he mostly does in college at the moment. Jackson's ability to space the floor (45 percent from 3, 81 percent from the line), block shots (5.7 per-40 minutes), switch on every screen and, increasingly, put the ball on the floor from the perimeter make him an ideal fit for the modern NBA.

He would complement the promising Lauri Markkanen well in many ways and has significant upside to grow into as well, as he's the youngest player currently projected to be drafted.

Starting salary: $5,310,720

6. Cleveland Cavaliers (via Nets)
Michael Porter Jr.
Missouri
Freshman
SF/PF


Height: 6-foot-10 | Weight: 214

With an uncertain future on the horizon due to LeBron James' free agency, the Cavs will need to stockpile as much talent as they can regardless of their hopes of keeping the King at home. Michael Porter came into the season with the hope of making a run at being the No. 1 pick in the draft, but unfortunately, he hasn't been able to build his case due to a back injury.

The results of his medical examination will play a significant role in where he ultimately is drafted, but NBA teams don't appear to be overly concerned right now about the nature of the injury and his long-term prognosis.

Starting salary: $4,823,520

Cleveland will receive Brooklyn's first-round pick unprotected.

7. Philadelphia 76ers (via Lakers)
Trae Young
Oklahoma
Freshman
PG


Height: 6-foot-2 | Weight: 176 | PER: 34.6

The Sixers are in line to draft in the top 10 due to the shrewd Michael Carter-Williams trade made by Sam Hinkie three years ago, as long as the pick doesn't fall between Nos. 2-5.

If this season has shown us anything, it's that Philadelphia is still in need of help with shot-creation and shot-making, despite the promising play of Ben Simmons at PG. Young's tremendous shooting prowess will allow him to play at different spots on the floor, even alongside Markelle Fultz.

Starting salary: $4,403,280

Philadelphia will receive L.A.'s pick if it lands at No. 1 or Nos. 6-30. Otherwise, the pick goes to Boston. BPI projects that Philly has a 78.1 percent chance of getting this pick, with a 5.0 percent chance that it ends up No. 1.

Great information!

Is Bamba being somewhat projected to be similar to Joel Embiid where he can play in the post, plus stretch out to the 3 point line with some efficiency? That is a potential unicorn that would be hard to walk away from.

But, there is also Trae Young sitting there available to select from as well.

The Unicorn vs The Sure Thing. I think between those two I would take Young. Suns desperately need a top tier PG to pair with Booker.
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Post#1191 » by bwgood77 » Thu Jan 25, 2018 6:08 pm

Cutter wrote:Great information!

Is Bamba being somewhat projected to be similar to Joel Embiid where he can play in the post, plus stretch out to the 3 point line with some efficiency? That is a potential unicorn that would be hard to walk away from.

But, there is also Trae Young sitting there available to select from as well.

The Unicorn vs The Sure Thing. I think between those two I would take Young. Suns desperately need a top tier PG to pair with Booker.


I think he's shooting 25% from 3 (but shown he can hit them obviously) and Bagley/Ayton have done a little better from that range...above 30%.
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Post#1192 » by Walt_Uoob » Thu Jan 25, 2018 6:17 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
Walt_Uoob wrote:If it shakes out like that I'd probably look to trade #3 for a pick in the 6-9 range and a future first, similar to the trade Boston made last draft. Seems like this draft is a little deeper than initially assumed and someone great will fall to that range.


You wouldn't just take Young or Porter at 3? Or Bagley if you like him?


I mean that's certainly tempting too, but with guys like Bamba, Jackson, and Bridges likely available around 6-8, I think I could get just as excited about them. And if they're not available then it means someone else has dropped. It'd be a gamble but an intriguing one that could really pay off.
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Post#1193 » by Bogyo » Thu Jan 25, 2018 9:03 pm

Walt_Uoob wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
Walt_Uoob wrote:If it shakes out like that I'd probably look to trade #3 for a pick in the 6-9 range and a future first, similar to the trade Boston made last draft. Seems like this draft is a little deeper than initially assumed and someone great will fall to that range.


You wouldn't just take Young or Porter at 3? Or Bagley if you like him?


I mean that's certainly tempting too, but with guys like Bamba, Jackson, and Bridges likely available around 6-8, I think I could get just as excited about them. And if they're not available then it means someone else has dropped. It'd be a gamble but an intriguing one that could really pay off.


Same here. As guys stated on the previous page I'd love to take Bamba at 6-8, but not at 3. I think he is a bit overhyped by now. He is rail thin (and hence, weak), plus his body is like Manute Bol's (or KDs in this regard), so he will never be able to bulk up. He is looked at as the next Gobert with more offense and 3pt shooting, but even the Gobert thing is very unlikely, and while he doesn't have a terrible form, he is shooting 25%s from 3 with 2 attempts/game. That's faaaaaaaar from being a good shooter. Great size, agile, good rebounder and shot blocker, but thats pretty much a given with his size in college. So again, really nice pick outside the top5, but not at 3.
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Post#1194 » by In2ition » Thu Jan 25, 2018 9:18 pm

As far as Bamba goes, he could be a unicorn, but I'm pretty sure he's going to struggle with NBA centers until he is able to add NBA strength to go up against those guys. Even that, next year you could draft a guy that could project and be an even a bigger unicorn than Bamba.
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Post#1195 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Thu Jan 25, 2018 9:21 pm

The draft is hard.
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Post#1196 » by bwgood77 » Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:38 pm

cosmofizzo wrote:The draft is hard.


Is that you McD?
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Post#1197 » by Frank Lee » Fri Jan 26, 2018 1:14 am

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Thebullsgod1993 wrote:I really like Trae Young or Ayton on this team. Obviously Jackson Warren and Booker are the future of this core. I don't think you give up on Chriss or Bender just yet at PF. Trae Young at point or Ayton at center should be there pick this year.


Yeah, it'd be nice if one were available whenever we pick.


No way Ayton falls past #3
Young is likely to fall down to 5+ as Bagley, Doncic and may be Bamba and Jackson just seem to be much more sure things... and then there is Porter....

A lot can shake out come tourney time. Im just leery on Young's overall game. If we dont get a top 3 pick, then give me Bamba all day long. He fits a definite need, and should be able to fill it well. We haven't had a real shot blocker since.... ever ?
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Post#1198 » by Mulhollanddrive » Fri Jan 26, 2018 3:52 am

Need to see what Jackson's offensive range is we put alot of faith in Bender when he only had 3 two-point attempts per 36 in Europe and performed exactly as that in NBA.
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Post#1199 » by jcsunsfan » Fri Jan 26, 2018 4:15 am

To me, Young is the sure thing in this draft. Everything he does translates to the NBA. For Ayton and Bamba, the league is moving away from dominant big men. What we are seeing is smaller more versatile centers. JJJr may fit that bill. He is smaller and more mobile but with the wing span to allow him to play bigger. Doncic is a real unknown to me. He is young, and plays in a man's league, but his play has dropped off. If he tops out in the NBA like he is playing at this moment, it would probably be disappointing.

Porter is an unknown. He is big, and has the skill to play three positions at least. But that injury is a concern. Still he could be the best player of this draft. There is something about Bagley that just doesn't set right with me. He is a traditional power forward coming into a league where they are dinosaurs.

Things will become clearer as we go, but for now, this is how I see it.
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Post#1200 » by bwgood77 » Fri Jan 26, 2018 5:28 am

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You've watched Brandon McCoy I'm sure. What would be your thoughts on him with the Miami pick?

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