KIDD FIRED - Hughes/Grgurich also fired - Vin Baker Hired

[skones]

Wilson's a rookie who's barely played.

I mean, you were on the Thon Maker All Star train too.

[SkilesTheLimit]

Wilson's a rookie who's barely played.

So you're saying he's going to be good?

Because in the first minute of watching him play I said BUST. And every minute since then my scouting has proven to be correct.

[ReasonablySober]

Wilson's a rookie who's barely played.

I mean, you were on the Thon Maker All Star train too.

Haven't given up on Thon either.

[emunney]

Wilson's a rookie who's barely played.

Who happens to have by far the worst net rating on our minor league team.

[ReasonablySober]

Wilson's a rookie who's barely played.

So you're saying he's going to be good?

Because in the first minute of watching him play I said BUST. And every minute since then my scouting has proven to be correct.

I'm saying it's comically early to be making any determination on the kid's career.

[vlietinho]

Watched a little yesterday and it gave me some hope at least

[M-C-G]

Wilson's a rookie who's barely played.

So you're saying he's going to be good?

Because in the first minute of watching him play I said BUST. And every minute since then my scouting has proven to be correct.

I'm saying it's comically early to be making any determination on the kid's career.

I'm not real optimistic, but he falls in my new #cleanslate program too. I see some skills that could be useful, but I see them in a dumpster head package that I'm not so sure cares enough to be good.

[hege53190]

Except that Horst has been with the organization for the last 9 years, it's not like he wasn't familiar with the scouts, or the information, or the workouts. He wasn't suddenly walking into a situation where he was forced to look at players in an entirely different range. He wasn't just appointed, he was in the room the whole time. Horst has been aggressive, I like it, but he doesn't deserve a pass for Wilson AT ALL.

You act like Host’s voice was the most important one in the room last year. At best it was 6th and I highly doubt it was even that high.

He was just happy to be there at that point. Since then he got a great trade done and removed one of if not two of the voices in front of his.

Someone had a gif of little finger before and it was absolutely perfect. This is absolutely an early version little finger move.

BTW- can anybody tell me what Kidd’s firing means for Thorn’s involvement in this organization? I would love to know.

It doesn't matter if Horst's voice was loudest in the room under Hammond because it was loudest when we were on the board. What matters is that he was in the same room, seeing the same scouting reports, and generally receiving the exact same information as everyone else in the room. Director of Basketball Operations isn't some bit position like you're making it out to be. With all of that same information, HE decided on Wilson.

I'd buy it if he was completely new to the organization, unfamiliar with the scouts, still getting a grasp of team needs, etc. He wasn't.

You don’t think Kidd and Thorn had substantially more say in who was drafted last year? The owners probably also had influence and ultimately the final say.

Hell I would bet on Alex Lasrys opinions carrying more weight in the first round of last years draft than Horst’s.

Last year at this time we had such a muddied hierarchy I had no idea who was making the moves. Today all I see is Horst at the top and it is glorious.

[skones]

Wilson's a rookie who's barely played.

So you're saying he's going to be good?

Because in the first minute of watching him play I said BUST. And every minute since then my scouting has proven to be correct.

I'm saying it's comically early to be making any determination on the kid's career.

Along with 80% of the G-League.

[skones]

You don’t think Kidd and Thorn had substantially more say in who was drafted last year? The owners probably also had influence and ultimately the final say.

Hell I would bet on Alex Lasrys opinions carrying more weight in the first round of last years draft than Horst’s.

Last year at this time we had such a muddied hierarchy I had no idea who was making the moves. Today all I see is Horst at the top and it is glorious.

No. The writing was already on the wall for Kidd. Reports coming out now are only making that more evident.

[emunney]

Can't help but notice that JET didn't leave the team like he promised.

[Treebeard]

Can't help but notice that JET didn't leave the team like he promised.

My bet: end of season, or when he gets tossed into a trade as a leveler... Whichever happens first.

*edit* $2.3 mill salary over the season may play a role....

[hege53190]

You don’t think Kidd and Thorn had substantially more say in who was drafted last year? The owners probably also had influence and ultimately the final say.

Hell I would bet on Alex Lasrys opinions carrying more weight in the first round of last years draft than Horst’s.

Last year at this time we had such a muddied hierarchy I had no idea who was making the moves. Today all I see is Horst at the top and it is glorious.

No. The writing was already on the wall for Kidd. Reports coming out now are only making that more evident.

That was before the surge at the end and the GM shakeup.

If Kidd had absolutely no say in who was picked there why was he and Thorn holding private workouts with draftees?

[skones]

You don’t think Kidd and Thorn had substantially more say in who was drafted last year? The owners probably also had influence and ultimately the final say.

Hell I would bet on Alex Lasrys opinions carrying more weight in the first round of last years draft than Horst’s.

Last year at this time we had such a muddied hierarchy I had no idea who was making the moves. Today all I see is Horst at the top and it is glorious.

No. The writing was already on the wall for Kidd. Reports coming out now are only making that more evident.

That was before the surge at the end and the GM shakeup.

If Kidd had absolutely no say in who was picked there why was he and Thorn holding private workouts with draftees?

Surge at the end? Thorn and Kidd only private workouts with draftees? When someone in the office is asked if Kidd will be fired and his response is "probably not" in addition to the reports of management souring on Kidd due to his past personnel decisions, his ultimate power was limited more than some believe around here as it pertains to last season.

[nk657]

The idea that Jason Kidd was responsible for Giannis's improvement is pure nonsense. Kidd is not responsible for improvement or lack of improvement in any player. It's the same logic that blames Dom Capers for not developing the trash that he was given on defense. Players win games and their improvement is 95% based on their work ethic and talent.

And even the 5% that may be due to good teaching would fall on the assistant coaches who actually work on player development, not the head coaches.

The key to any successful sports team is the general manager. It is he who gets the players and the players are always the key. And that is why Kidd had to go. He was an average to a below average coach, but his main problem was that his intrusion into player trades and drafts was hurting the team. I didn't trust his judgement and was worried that the new owners thought Kidd could do no wrong. Whether it was an incident this week or some other reason he was fired, it's the right call.

I don't know why you choose to just ignore, words , interviews and comments like this especially when they come from Giannis mouth.

""He was a big part of my success," Antetokounmpo said. "He trusted me, he put the ball in my hands, he motivated me on a daily basis, he pushed me to be great and not to be mediocre.

"I was 19 when he came and he said he was going to put the ball in my hands. The first time I wasn't ready. I told him, 'Coach, I'm not ready to create and make plays for the team.' He said, 'OK, we're going to take our time.' The next year, he put the ball in my hands and I was ready."

Some players develop faster under specific coaches and some other players do not. Some coaches have a great motivation impact on some players and then again others do not. And that is the absolute Goddamn truth.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

Can't help but notice that JET didn't leave the team like he promised.

My bet: end of season, or when he gets tossed into a trade as a leveler... Whichever happens first.

Kind of weird thing to hold a guy accountable for. Yeah, he made that comment, but he didn't expect Kidd to be fired mid-season. What is he supposed to do? Walk out and leave his teammates hanging mid-season?

He also said he plans to play next year, so yea it was probably off the cuff remarks than any promises.

http://woelfelspressbox.com/2018/01/the-jet-plans-to-keep-flying-for-another-season/

[hege53190]

No. The writing was already on the wall for Kidd. Reports coming out now are only making that more evident.

That was before the surge at the end and the GM shakeup.

If Kidd had absolutely no say in who was picked there why was he and Thorn holding private workouts with draftees?

Surge at the end? Thorn and Kidd only private workouts with draftees? When someone in the office is asked if Kidd will be fired and his response is "probably not" in addition to the reports of management souring on Kidd due to his past personnel decisions, his ultimate power was limited more than some believe around here as it pertains to last season.

Yeah surge at the end. The Bucks were 20-10 to finish the season. That had to make Kidd look Pretty good.

As for Kidd and Thorn holding private workouts that is what I read from PaulPressey our Mod in the DJ Wilson draft thread. So yeah I believe Kidd and Thorn still held a lot of influence last Draft.

[emunney]

You think it's weird to be held accountable for a very strong statement made on a radio show? Should at least be asked about what changed for him to allow him to stay in the two weeks between when he said that and when Kidd was fired.

[RogerMurdock]

Vaughn is the player that confuses me. He looks like he can play if given the chance, if given permission to be confident. I'm not saying he's an All-Star in waiting, but when I see him get more than a token minute, he looks like he could contribute if given more of an opportunity. I'm just so confused as to way he NEVER plays. I'm curious if it was Kidd holding him down and that maybe Vaughn will get a little more run the rest of the season.

Who knows, maybe he really does stink, but he's shown enough flashes and actually had a few nice games to make me think that he can contribute at least a little.

[Ron Swanson]

Love how people always draw lines in the sand on young players where you're either in the "he'll always be trash" or the "lol you think he 's gonna be an All-Star" camps. I think DJ Wilson sucks but it wouldn't surprise me if he's an NBA player 3 years from now.