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I don't like trading for an OF given we have so much young potential at the position already. Rather of those guys get traded it is brining back pitching. Also would frankly prefer to slightly overpay a pitcher in FA and just keep all our guys and see what we have
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I find it interesting that Klements is blasting the selection of Johnsonville as the new Brewers sausage.
Johnsonville is a Wisconsin company and yes they have grown and are now sold nationally. Meanwhile Klements sold their company to a San Francisco private equity firm in 2014.
As Major League Baseball becomes more and more about making money and maximizing profits, it’s not surprising that the Brewers chose to go with a national brand over the hometown company.
Johnsonville is a Wisconsin company and yes they have grown and are now sold nationally. Meanwhile Klements sold their company to a San Francisco private equity firm in 2014.
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MickeyDavis wrote:I find it interesting that Klements is blasting the selection of Johnsonville as the new Brewers sausage.As Major League Baseball becomes more and more about making money and maximizing profits, it’s not surprising that the Brewers chose to go with a national brand over the hometown company.
Johnsonville is a Wisconsin company and yes they have grown and are now sold nationally. Meanwhile Klements sold their company to a San Francisco private equity firm in 2014.
Why would a company send out that statement? No wonder they got dumped. Sounds like garbage management? Someone prove me wrong.
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Iheartfootball wrote:MickeyDavis wrote:I find it interesting that Klements is blasting the selection of Johnsonville as the new Brewers sausage.As Major League Baseball becomes more and more about making money and maximizing profits, it’s not surprising that the Brewers chose to go with a national brand over the hometown company.
Johnsonville is a Wisconsin company and yes they have grown and are now sold nationally. Meanwhile Klements sold their company to a San Francisco private equity firm in 2014.
Why would a company send out that statement? No wonder they got dumped. Sounds like garbage management? Someone prove me wrong.
Very weird I agree. Another company will pay more. Happens all the time. And then to dump on the other company? Stupid
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Can someone tell me why we would trade for an OF? Is that not our position of young abundance? I'm not as good at this minor-ball prospect stuff as y'all are, but I just don't get this. Yelich is of course more proven than our prospects, but we're not in a position that we should be selling the farm to make a run.
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MikeIsGood wrote:Can someone tell me why we would trade for an OF? Is that not our position of young abundance? I'm not as good at this minor-ball prospect stuff as y'all are, but I just don't get this. Yelich is of course more proven than our prospects, but we're not in a position that we should be selling the farm to make a run.
Thats your reason right there. Yelich has a track record and the prospects dont versus MLB pitching.
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wichmae wrote:MikeIsGood wrote:Can someone tell me why we would trade for an OF? Is that not our position of young abundance? I'm not as good at this minor-ball prospect stuff as y'all are, but I just don't get this. Yelich is of course more proven than our prospects, but we're not in a position that we should be selling the farm to make a run.
Thats your reason right there. Yelich has a track record and the prospects dont versus MLB pitching.
MikeIsGood wrote:but we're not in a position that we should be selling the farm to make a run.
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MikeIsGood wrote: I'm not as good at this minor-ball prospect stuff as y'all are
You've really taken to the South haven't you?

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wichmae wrote:Thats your reason right there. Yelich has a track record and the prospects dont versus MLB pitching.
But if we trust our scouting, shouldn't be seeing what our top overall prospect, who happens to be a stud defender in CF, has?
That's before we even get into the fact that this won't be Brinson for Yelich. It's likely Brinson + one of our top pitching prospects + something else. No thanks.
I'm only doing a multiple prospect deal (going out) if we get pitching back.
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trwi7 wrote:MikeIsGood wrote: I'm not as good at this minor-ball prospect stuff as y'all are
You've really taken to the South haven't you?
I love "y'all". It's the only vernacular I've picked up, I promise y'all that

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MikeIsGood wrote:trwi7 wrote:MikeIsGood wrote: I'm not as good at this minor-ball prospect stuff as y'all are
You've really taken to the South haven't you?
I love "y'all". It's the only vernacular I've picked up, I promise y'all that
That's awesome. I live south of Nashville and in North Georgia for several years. I still use 'y'all' but it's still awkward to me. Like, I can feel my Yankee roots cringing in disbelief. Never quite fits right. But, it comes out anyway...sometimes.
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LUKE23 wrote:wichmae wrote:Thats your reason right there. Yelich has a track record and the prospects dont versus MLB pitching.
But if we trust our scouting, shouldn't be seeing what our top overall prospect, who happens to be a stud defender in CF, has?
That's before we even get into the fact that this won't be Brinson for Yelich. It's likely Brinson + one of our top pitching prospects + something else. No thanks.
I'm only doing a multiple prospect deal (going out) if we get pitching back.
Just to play devils advocate maybe in their self scouting they have identified some prospects where the national perception is higher than their own internal evaluation. So they offer a package of those guys to the marlins for a guy they belive can help them now and later.
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bizarro wrote:MikeIsGood wrote:trwi7 wrote:
You've really taken to the South haven't you?
I love "y'all". It's the only vernacular I've picked up, I promise y'all that
That's awesome. I live south of Nashville and in North Georgia for several years. I still use 'y'all' but it's still awkward to me. Like, I can feel my Yankee roots cringing in disbelief. Never quite fits right. But, it comes out anyway...sometimes.
My cousins moved to Nashville when they were 12 and 10 and I didn't see them for a few years and then they came up and visited and they were constantly saying y'all and still do to this day. We were laughing and said they went Southern pretty quickly.
Of course I also had cousins from Oregon and the first time we ever saw them in person they commented how funny we sounded.

And oh man when I first met my cousins from New Jersey? The dueling accents were amazing.
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WeekapaugGroove wrote:LUKE23 wrote:wichmae wrote:Thats your reason right there. Yelich has a track record and the prospects dont versus MLB pitching.
But if we trust our scouting, shouldn't be seeing what our top overall prospect, who happens to be a stud defender in CF, has?
That's before we even get into the fact that this won't be Brinson for Yelich. It's likely Brinson + one of our top pitching prospects + something else. No thanks.
I'm only doing a multiple prospect deal (going out) if we get pitching back.
Just to play devils advocate maybe in their self scouting they have identified some prospects where the national perception is higher than their own internal evaluation. So they offer a package of those guys to the marlins for a guy they belive can help them now and later.
Yup, wouldn't surprise me at all if they have serious questions on Brinson's ability to make consistent contact and would like to cash him out while he's still ranked high and doesn't get a ton of ABs this year and it hurts his value. Plus the obvious injury issues with him, if he misses another half season or more this year he'll be 24 and not done anything in the bigs yet, his value will plummet from what it is now. I know I'd be considered a bit of a Brinson hater (doubter would be better word as I still will root for him all day), but that's my fear on him. Don't forget he was bad in 2016. My fear on all the rumors is not Brinson himself, but the possibility of a large chunk of prospects being moved in all of this.
Also, I've lived in WI my whole life but still use ya'll all the time. Really picked up using it more the last 5 or so years as I've traveled a lot and been around southern people, well lots of different people. It's just one that I liked and picked up right away.
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trwi7 wrote:My theory for the past month or two is that Stearns is in agreement with me that the team had a bunch of players overachieve with seasons they won't hit again but he doesn't want to make it seem like he believes that so we're "in" on basically every top trade and free agent target but oh shucks, we just got outbid.
I don't think this is a super far fetched conspiracy theory. It's not too much of a stretch to believe them being publicly linked to seemingly every player available is by accident and does have some PR purposes. Now I don't think it's all a ruse and I do think Stearns is kicking the tires on some deals but at a cost he's comfortable with. Heck if they feel like they can get a guy for less than market value in FA or trade it could make sense to do it from a value standpoint regardless of his true feelings on the roster.
Off topic y'all is a super fun word. I moved to AZ after college and my first boss was from Dallas and she said y'all all the time, within like two weeks it became a permanent part of my vocab.
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MikeIsGood wrote:wichmae wrote:MikeIsGood wrote:Can someone tell me why we would trade for an OF? Is that not our position of young abundance? I'm not as good at this minor-ball prospect stuff as y'all are, but I just don't get this. Yelich is of course more proven than our prospects, but we're not in a position that we should be selling the farm to make a run.
Thats your reason right there. Yelich has a track record and the prospects dont versus MLB pitching.MikeIsGood wrote:but we're not in a position that we should be selling the farm to make a run.
Yelich though wouldn't have to be an acquisition just to make a run this year. He's only 25, has five years left on his contract, and at team friendly rates, that is a big reason why he's in such demand.
If instead, let's say Yelich only had a year or two left on his contract, teams would still want him, but the demand and cost for him in return would be less.
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El Duderino wrote:MikeIsGood wrote:wichmae wrote:Thats your reason right there. Yelich has a track record and the prospects dont versus MLB pitching.MikeIsGood wrote:but we're not in a position that we should be selling the farm to make a run.
Yelich though wouldn't have to be an acquisition just to make a run this year. He's only 25, has five years left on his contract, and at team friendly rates, that is a big reason why he's in such demand.
If instead, let's say Yelich only had a year or two left on his contract, teams would still want him, but the demand and cost for him in return would be less.
But this is like Bucks debates of past. Even if for 5 years (which means we're giving up more prospects to get him), where do you go next? I know they'll still have some good players in the farm system, but you're going to have to make more crafty moves to win in subsequent years. You can't bank on some prospects coming up to take the next step (so you probably keep shoveling more prospects into trades). You can maybe bank on improvement, but you also have to factor in guys like Nelson, Anderson, Shaw, Knebel maybe regressing and/or running out of team control near the end of Yelich's tenure.
If by all means you think Yelich (and a few other moves this year) is the missing piece to be a favorite for the division and World Series, go ahead. But you're paying extra pieces from 2020 or 2021 so that you can hang a 2nd place banner in 2018.
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Kerb Hohl wrote:El Duderino wrote:MikeIsGood wrote:
Yelich though wouldn't have to be an acquisition just to make a run this year. He's only 25, has five years left on his contract, and at team friendly rates, that is a big reason why he's in such demand.
If instead, let's say Yelich only had a year or two left on his contract, teams would still want him, but the demand and cost for him in return would be less.
But this is like Bucks debates of past. Even if for 5 years (which means we're giving up more prospects to get him), where do you go next? I know they'll still have some good players in the farm system, but you're going to have to make more crafty moves to win in subsequent years. You can't bank on some prospects coming up to take the next step (so you probably keep shoveling more prospects into trades). You can maybe bank on improvement, but you also have to factor in guys like Nelson, Anderson, Shaw, Knebel maybe regressing and/or running out of team control near the end of Yelich's tenure.
If by all means you think Yelich (and a few other moves this year) is the missing piece to be a favorite for the division and World Series, go ahead. But you're paying extra pieces from 2020 or 2021 so that you can hang a 2nd place banner in 2018.
I dont know if I entirely agree with this. When talking about Brinson and say Ortiz or somebody else your have basically one more year of control of the prospect than you do of Yelich whos been a 4 WAR player already. I generally am a dont jump the gun guy and hold onto prospects but this Yelich situation is a tad different for me. If the cost is Brinson and say Ortiz or something like that I think you have to think long and hard to acquire a guy like that. We can all dream on prospect potential but the real likelihood of those guys in our top 30 making 4 WAR is probably 5% of that top 30.
I completely get the regression sentiment and if you remember correctly I was a staunch arguer during the season and especially at deadline about not making moves because they were going to regress. I completely agree that this team as constructed even with Yelich isnt a contender. I just cant ever discount acquiring the best possible players using all mean necessary.
That said. If the cost ends up being Brinson plus two more in our top 5 then I dont know if the time is right to be making that kind of move.