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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 5 

Post#921 » by NavLDO » Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:00 pm

Kerrsed wrote:And who do people think is worthy of a Max Contract in FA that we might actually stand a chance signing?

This should be interesting.....


That is very true, but, of course, lots of players think they are worth the Max, but I question how people think that the Pels will be able to sign Boogie to to a Max, without gutting their team completely, yet we can't, with signing Kemba for $12M?

Before we sign anyone to FA, it will be the new league year, which means new money, and right now, that his $101M, projected.

With this trade, and no Len or Ulis, we have about $86M for 10 players; add in 4 Draft picks more (1st in the 20s + 3 x 2nds), and that will round of to $90M.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yaleglv6

That would leave us $11M, NOT counting the Luxury Tax, which, I'm assuming, we are allowed to go into to sign a player we want, right? We can use some sort of MLE worth $8.5M, or figure out a way to sign the player first before signing our players, or whatever.

Anyway, we have enough flexibility, but there are really only, what 2-3 players worth signing to a Max anyway.
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Post#922 » by Saberestar » Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:12 pm

bwgood77 wrote:Well if Chriss is ready, he should start, and hopefully he can pick up where he left off (Bender is better off bench anyway)...not sure if that would be called a change to starting lineup. Maybe they should try Booker/Jackson/Warren/Chriss and a C (maybe Monroe since he is the best passer).

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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 5 

Post#923 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:37 pm

hollywood6964 wrote:
Cutter wrote:Assuming the "Kawhi wants out of SA" rumor being spread by Jalen Rose is true, I would not hesitate to trade the Suns 2018 unprotected 1st plus filler for Kawhi. Get an upper tier PG dangling other assets like Josh Jackson and/or Chriss, Bender plus Miami picks whatever it takes to run with Booker and Kawhi. Get it done McD.

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1663694

Dry up. The last big trade the suns made where they acquired a truly desired asset was jason kidd.


What about McDyess? Penny? Shaq?
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 5 

Post#924 » by thamadkant » Fri Jan 26, 2018 12:04 am

Cutter wrote:
Cutter wrote:Assuming the "Kawhi wants out of SA" rumor being spread by Jalen Rose is true, I would not hesitate to trade the Suns 2018 unprotected 1st plus filler for Kawhi. Get an upper tier PG dangling other assets like Josh Jackson and/or Chriss, Bender plus Miami picks whatever it takes to run with Booker and Kawhi. Get it done McD.

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1663694

Will never happen but.... :noway:

Spurs get: Warren, Suns 2018 1st, salary filler (let the Spurs rebuild begin!)
Suns get: Kawhi Leonard (under contract for 2 1/2 more years)

Suns swing a trade with a desperate Cavs team for Kevin Love somehow

Vet PG/?
Booker/Troy Daniels
Kawhi/Josh Jackson
Love/Bender or Chriss
Len/Sauce

Has potential.... :roll:



That would be an insult to Spurs FO and they have top FO as well know...


Warren, Bender OR Chriss (but I think Popovic would want Bender), Suns 2018 pick PLUS one of Josh Jackson OR the Bucks 2018 pick would be the minimum...
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 5 

Post#925 » by hollywood6964 » Fri Jan 26, 2018 12:05 am

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hollywood6964 wrote:
Cutter wrote:Assuming the "Kawhi wants out of SA" rumor being spread by Jalen Rose is true, I would not hesitate to trade the Suns 2018 unprotected 1st plus filler for Kawhi. Get an upper tier PG dangling other assets like Josh Jackson and/or Chriss, Bender plus Miami picks whatever it takes to run with Booker and Kawhi. Get it done McD.

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1663694

Dry up. The last big trade the suns made where they acquired a truly desired asset was jason kidd.


What about McDyess? Penny? Shaq?

Penny was damaged goods, everyone knew it. My second favorite player all time, tough go.
Shaq was old n breaking down. N even with that the trade was scrutinized. I didn't think it was too bad, I knew marion was just about washed.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 5 

Post#926 » by bwgood77 » Fri Jan 26, 2018 12:16 am

Saberestar wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:Well if Chriss is ready, he should start, and hopefully he can pick up where he left off (Bender is better off bench anyway)...not sure if that would be called a change to starting lineup. Maybe they should try Booker/Jackson/Warren/Chriss and a C (maybe Monroe since he is the best passer).

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Yeah, I was originally thinking Canaan should start but thought it would be nice to see the lineup I posted. But for spreading the floor and ball handling Canaan might make more sense (though JJ's ball handling and 3pt shooting have improved).
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 5 

Post#927 » by bwgood77 » Fri Jan 26, 2018 12:19 am

1UPZ wrote:
Cutter wrote:
Cutter wrote:Assuming the "Kawhi wants out of SA" rumor being spread by Jalen Rose is true, I would not hesitate to trade the Suns 2018 unprotected 1st plus filler for Kawhi. Get an upper tier PG dangling other assets like Josh Jackson and/or Chriss, Bender plus Miami picks whatever it takes to run with Booker and Kawhi. Get it done McD.

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1663694

Will never happen but.... :noway:

Spurs get: Warren, Suns 2018 1st, salary filler (let the Spurs rebuild begin!)
Suns get: Kawhi Leonard (under contract for 2 1/2 more years)

Suns swing a trade with a desperate Cavs team for Kevin Love somehow

Vet PG/?
Booker/Troy Daniels
Kawhi/Josh Jackson
Love/Bender or Chriss
Len/Sauce

Has potential.... :roll:



That would be an insult to Spurs FO and they have top FO as well know...


Warren, Bender OR Chriss (but I think Popovic would want Bender), Suns 2018 pick PLUS one of Josh Jackson OR the Bucks 2018 pick would be the minimum...


Those guys don't have any trade value. Booker and our first would be the minimum, and some other team would beat it. Probably the Celtics with Tatum, Brown and the Lakers or Kings first. That leaves them with Kyrie, Hayward and Horford...and Marcus Morris!...along with Kawhi.

But Pop would love Tatum and Brown who are both long two way players.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 5 

Post#928 » by Frank Lee » Fri Jan 26, 2018 1:04 am

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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 5 

Post#929 » by sunsbum » Fri Jan 26, 2018 1:05 am

bwgood77 wrote:
1UPZ wrote:
Cutter wrote:Will never happen but.... :noway:

Spurs get: Warren, Suns 2018 1st, salary filler (let the Spurs rebuild begin!)
Suns get: Kawhi Leonard (under contract for 2 1/2 more years)

Suns swing a trade with a desperate Cavs team for Kevin Love somehow

Vet PG/?
Booker/Troy Daniels
Kawhi/Josh Jackson
Love/Bender or Chriss
Len/Sauce

Has potential.... :roll:



That would be an insult to Spurs FO and they have top FO as well know...


Warren, Bender OR Chriss (but I think Popovic would want Bender), Suns 2018 pick PLUS one of Josh Jackson OR the Bucks 2018 pick would be the minimum...


Those guys don't have any trade value. Booker and our first would be the minimum, and some other team would beat it. Probably the Celtics with Tatum, Brown and the Lakers or Kings first. That leaves them with Kyrie, Hayward and Horford...and Marcus Morris!...along with Kawhi.

But Pop would love Tatum and Brown who are both long two way players.


There is no way in hell the Celtics would let go of Both brown, tatum and a first for kawhi. No way.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 5 

Post#930 » by bwgood77 » Fri Jan 26, 2018 1:11 am

sunsbum wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
1UPZ wrote:

That would be an insult to Spurs FO and they have top FO as well know...


Warren, Bender OR Chriss (but I think Popovic would want Bender), Suns 2018 pick PLUS one of Josh Jackson OR the Bucks 2018 pick would be the minimum...


Those guys don't have any trade value. Booker and our first would be the minimum, and some other team would beat it. Probably the Celtics with Tatum, Brown and the Lakers or Kings first. That leaves them with Kyrie, Hayward and Horford...and Marcus Morris!...along with Kawhi.

But Pop would love Tatum and Brown who are both long two way players.


There is no way in hell the Celtics would let go of Both brown, tatum and a first for kawhi. No way.


You don't think that would make them better? I'm pretty sure they are about winning a championship now. It's not like Kawhi is old. He's 26 and the best defensive wing in the league...probably the best defensive player in the league and still can avg 25 a season, hit 3, boards, lead the league in steals, etc. I mean he's pretty much a top 5 player. He's basically untradable. I don't think the Spurs would trade him but if they did it would take something like that.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 5 

Post#931 » by thamadkant » Fri Jan 26, 2018 2:13 am

bwgood77 wrote:
1UPZ wrote:
Cutter wrote:Will never happen but.... :noway:

Spurs get: Warren, Suns 2018 1st, salary filler (let the Spurs rebuild begin!)
Suns get: Kawhi Leonard (under contract for 2 1/2 more years)

Suns swing a trade with a desperate Cavs team for Kevin Love somehow

Vet PG/?
Booker/Troy Daniels
Kawhi/Josh Jackson
Love/Bender or Chriss
Len/Sauce

Has potential.... :roll:



That would be an insult to Spurs FO and they have top FO as well know...


Warren, Bender OR Chriss (but I think Popovic would want Bender), Suns 2018 pick PLUS one of Josh Jackson OR the Bucks 2018 pick would be the minimum...


Those guys don't have any trade value. Booker and our first would be the minimum, and some other team would beat it. Probably the Celtics with Tatum, Brown and the Lakers or Kings first. That leaves them with Kyrie, Hayward and Horford...and Marcus Morris!...along with Kawhi.

But Pop would love Tatum and Brown who are both long two way players.




Don't think Celtics would part ways with Tatum AND Brown, along with the pick(s).


Tatum and Brown on rookie contracts playing the way they are, giving Celtics DEPTH, flexibility and FUTURE.

Arguably, when Hayward comes back, having Tatum and Brown makes them BETTER because of the DEPTH.... those 2 are producing very well on great contracts, which allows Celtics to make more DEPTH moves or aim for flexibility.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 5 

Post#932 » by thamadkant » Fri Jan 26, 2018 2:17 am

With that said,

Suns should go back to plan B and just draft Ayton OR Bagley lol

But we'll see.... that Monroe contract has got to be dangling..
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 5 

Post#933 » by bwgood77 » Fri Jan 26, 2018 2:24 am

1UPZ wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
1UPZ wrote:

That would be an insult to Spurs FO and they have top FO as well know...


Warren, Bender OR Chriss (but I think Popovic would want Bender), Suns 2018 pick PLUS one of Josh Jackson OR the Bucks 2018 pick would be the minimum...


Those guys don't have any trade value. Booker and our first would be the minimum, and some other team would beat it. Probably the Celtics with Tatum, Brown and the Lakers or Kings first. That leaves them with Kyrie, Hayward and Horford...and Marcus Morris!...along with Kawhi.

But Pop would love Tatum and Brown who are both long two way players.




Don't think Celtics would part ways with Tatum AND Brown, along with the pick(s).


Tatum and Brown on rookie contracts playing the way they are, giving Celtics DEPTH, flexibility and FUTURE.

Arguably, when Hayward comes back, having Tatum and Brown makes them BETTER because of the DEPTH.... those 2 are producing very well on great contracts, which allows Celtics to make more DEPTH moves or aim for flexibility.


Maybe. Against GS I'd rather have Kawhi right now than Brown, Tatum and the unknown future guy. And I imagine they'd have Kawhi for the next 10 years. I think Kawhi with Kyrie and Hayward the next four years gives them a team in the east that would be tough to beat for the next decade. They are good now, and maybe a finals team, but when you can consolidate a couple good young guys and a pick for a top 5 player I think you should. In their case they wouldn't be cleaning out the cupboards either given who else they would still have plus the Memphis pick.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 5 

Post#934 » by thamadkant » Fri Jan 26, 2018 2:28 am

Yeah, well I suppose I'm just being optimistic that Suns have a CHANCE at Kawhi... since he's my fave player today.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 5 

Post#935 » by thamadkant » Fri Jan 26, 2018 2:38 am

Anyways, Kawhi is not going anywhere, Spurs are the best run sports org in the world... they wont let a top 5 player leave.

FA wise...

Paul George
21ppg
6rpg
3apg
2spg

3 Three-pters per game at 42%


Thats one player I definitely will target.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 5 

Post#936 » by LukasBMW » Fri Jan 26, 2018 3:16 am

1. Kawai ain't going nowhere.

2. Even if he was...if Pop and the 1st class Spurs organization cannot control him...do you really think SARVER could control him and make him happy. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 5 

Post#937 » by LukasBMW » Fri Jan 26, 2018 3:25 am

Plan A:

-Buy out Monroe
-Subtle tank
-Draft a center and PG
-Max Boogie (Len walks)
-Sign/trade for a 3&D PG

-FA/Ulis/Rookie
-Booker/Daniels
-TJ/JJ
-Chriss/Bender
-Boogie/Tyson/Rookie

Adjust at the 1 and 4 positions if needed mid season with expiring contracts of Dudley/Chandler + possible picks.



Plan B

-Buy out Monroe
-Subtle tank
-Draft a center and PG
-Strike out on big name free agents
-Preserve cap space for 2019
-Sign Okafor...if not Okafor, reluctantly sign Len
-Ask Knight not to be a F-ing moron and focus on defense, catch and shoot, and passing.

-Knight/Ulis/Rookie
-Booker/Daniels
-TJ/JJ
-Chriss/Bender
-Okafor/Rookie/Tyson

Showcase Knight. then dangle Knight + expiring contracts of Dudley/Chandler + possible picks. Possibly include anyone not named Booker/TJ in a trade.

Even better if we can exchange assets (4 green houses) for a star (red hotel) WHILE keeping cap room in 2019.
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Post#938 » by hollywood6964 » Fri Jan 26, 2018 3:27 am

LukasBMW wrote:1. Kawai ain't going nowhere.

2. Even if he was...if Pop and the 1st class Spurs organization cannot control him...do you really think SARVER could control him and make him happy. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 5 

Post#939 » by King4Day » Fri Jan 26, 2018 3:31 am

Cutter wrote:Assuming the "Kawhi wants out of SA" rumor being spread by Jalen Rose is true, I would not hesitate to trade the Suns 2018 unprotected 1st plus filler for Kawhi. Get an upper tier PG dangling other assets like Josh Jackson and/or Chriss, Bender plus Miami picks whatever it takes to run with Booker and Kawhi. Get it done McD.

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1663694


For a superstar who has won Finals MVP, DPOY, and a top 3 or 5 runner up for MVP with 2 more years left after this one, he's likely going to command a ton more than our 2018 unprotected. I already think Boston can destroy any offer in the league by pushing Tatum, Brown, and the Laker/Kings pick. Sounds like a lot but that makes Boston title contender and the Spurs have 0 need to trade him due to the length of control they have him for.

We'd also have to deal with the fact that the Spurs likely will want him out of the conference if they were to deal him.

I had suggested we offer 2018/2020 (both unprotected), miami 2018, bucks pick, Jackson and monroe for Leonard and a bad contract of theirs (Gasol or Mills) and I don't think they would pull the trigger on that. We're talking a game changing superstar who can put us on the brink of being contenders for a title with just one more move.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 5 

Post#940 » by Cutter » Fri Jan 26, 2018 3:33 am

1UPZ wrote:Anyways, Kawhi is not going anywhere, Spurs are the best run sports org in the world... they wont let a top 5 player leave.

FA wise...

Paul George
21ppg
6rpg
3apg
2spg

3 Three-pters per game at 42%


Thats one player I definitely will target.

If we do go after PG in FA, then one of Warren or JJ are being dangled in a trade. No way I can see 3 high usage SF co-exist in harmony. Honestly I think TJ has the most trade value, not only for his skill set, but the super sweet long-term deal he signed with the Suns. That deal alone holds a lot of value.

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