Trade Ideas (Part III)

[jbk1234]

MAVS
Shumpert
TT

CAVS
Matthews
Noel

Done.

[DusterBuster]

MAVS
Shumpert
TT

CAVS
Matthews
Noel

What's the Mavs incentive?

[zero24gravity]

Hey Cavs fans.

As a Jazz fan, I've heard the rumors about possible interest from the Cavs in Favors, and maybe even Hood. We also have Joe Johnson who could be big-time for a team come playoff time (he was great for the Jazz last offseason). The Jazz have also been center of the Mirotic trade rumors, which makes a lot of sense for the Jazz. I really like Favors a lot & think the Cavs would benefit from him more than you may realize. He's had injuries the last couple seasons, but this season when Gobert was out, a healthy Favors looked like his old-self again. I'd hate to see him go, but also understand that he & Gobert simply don't fit together. So what do you think of these 2 proposals?

Cavaliers get: Derrick Favors, Rodney Hood
Utah Jazz get: Frye, Jae Crowder, Mirotic
Bulls gets: 2018 Cavs first-round pick & Joe Johnson

..OR..

Cavaliers get: Derrick Favors, Rodney Hood, Joe Johnson
Utah Jazz get: Frye, Jae Crowder, Mirotic
Bulls gets: 2018 Cavs first-round pick, & I.Shumpert (Maybe a UT 2nd round pick to offset the additional year Shump has on his contract)

[Stillwater]

I think Cleveland should make about 4 moves.

1. Get a legit PG. George Hill could be that, Idk yet. If he's Utah's Hill, then yes.

2. Move Smith to the bench for Korver. I understand you want to showcase him for trades but yeah, he's washed. He looks like a 14 year vet who relied on athletic ability but worse. Korver is the most effective player for the Cavs outside of James and Love. We all know he's not a 24-28MPG player but need needs to start and get 20MPG. It makes sense.

3. Trade Love to Miami for Whiteside.

4. Move Crowder to the 2nd unit and move TT or Green into the starting five. Ideally, I would prefer someone better than either one of these three. Crowder just isn't playing well at PF. He's a liability but I am afraid they are all liabilities. I would look to trade for a PF. None of these guys can start at PF for a playoff team. I would really look to trading the late 1st and J.R. Smith for Marvin Williams. Plays well in space, shooting the 3 ball at 45.2%. Can defend the PnR. Doesn't protect the rim and offensively can be useless when handling the rock but that's not needed in Cleveland anyway.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9tvfaz7

I wouldn't move Crowder. You don't have another SF that's legit aside from him. Jeff is more of a undersized PF at this stage of his career.

At the end of the day, time to sell on Love. He is productive but opponents are doing work on him and the team is better without him this year than with him. Then again, the starting five is a mess so everyone including James is hindered by it. He's a terrible center by the way and since TT has regressed. It puts them in a tough position. Plus Miami can afford to lose Whiteside. Miami is better with him on the floor and Bam is ready to get legit backup minutes. That said, Whiteside is one of the most productive centers in the NBA today. His teams don't really benefit from his presence but Cleveland could do to him rim protection.

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Crowder is on a decent contract and he should be easy to trade.
We don't decide to not make trades because the player is the only legit positional player when we are not even using them at that position.
Whiteside is a waste of $ if Love is not on the roster at the 4.
If Love gets traded before the deadline ( extremely unlikely) it's for 2 lottery picks bare minimum and a bad contract and it equates to a rebuild which seems highly unlikely considering it would punch Lebrons ticket unless the picks were projected in the top 3 and even then probably would. Gilbert is not going to devalue his product right before he sells it.
Gilbert is going to make every move possible to win now and retain Lebron, because if he doesn't he will not be selling this team for nearly what it is worth right now with no future

Love trade value isn't close to high enough to one really high lottery pick at this point much less two. Maybe in weak classes but not right now. It would take a team to already have a top 10 pick and the players they want are gone to be open to doing it. For example, i could see the Suns doing it if they miss out on Sexton and Young. No offense but I don't see it the way you do. I don't see Crowder having much trade value.

I don't see you doing any better than Marvin in a J.R. Smith trade even with a late 1st attached.

I think any Whiteside acquisition to Cleveland must address the PF position with a stretch 4. It can't work otherwise. Miami is trading Whiteside for anyone on your roster not named Love without the Brooklyn pick. I don't know what you want that makes sense. You literally tried to suggest to Atlanta fans to trade Collins for Crowder. That's like Atlanta fans asking for Love for Bazemore. The trade value is astronomically too wide to even make the suggestion.

You gotta get realistic with the market. And yes, you would like to bring in Whiteside with Love but that's not happening without that Brooklyn pick.

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Love's value is much higher than you think if that's what you believe.

I cannot see the CLE front office having even a remote interest in acquiring Whiteside unless they took back Thompson and Crowder which they would not do.
As far as Collins availability, I never expected it would be well received by ATL fans, doesn't mean the ORG wouldn't make moves they don't like and whatever you are suggesting it was not straight up for Crowder my proposed deal included the Cav's 2021 1st top 5 protected & a future 2nd.

[ceremony816]

MAVS
Shumpert
TT

CAVS
Matthews
Noel

What's the Mavs incentive?

I was thinking getting Thompson a change of scenery could revitalize him. Taking on TT's contract would suck, but possibly gives the Mavs leverage to get a pick thrown in. Noel is just wasting space on the roster anyway. Shumpert is essentially worthless but are the Mavs really trying to win right now? He also has a cheaper contract than Matthews with the same length.

On the flipside for the Cavs they get Matthews who is a known locker room guy that is a decent enough two-way player. You also get a young guy in Noel who at this point I'm willing to bet would play his ass off to prove he belongs and deserves a reasonable salary in the future.

Another option could be the same Mavs players out but Cavs give up Shump, Osman, and Frye instead.

EDIT:
Looking at the contract situation now... it wouldn't be that terrible of a hit for the Mavs in the long run. By the time TT gets to the end of his contract Mavs only have Barnes, Powell and DSJ on the books (assuming Barnes and Powell opt in). That puts them around $58 mil in salary. Similarly with the Cavs if LeBron ends up leaving and Matthews takes his $18 mil that puts the Cavs at $77 mil in salary. They'd still have the two first rounders since I doubt they'd give anything more than a 2nd rounder in the deal I proposed.

[jbk1234]

Hey Cavs fans.

As a Jazz fan, I've heard the rumors about possible interest from the Cavs in Favors, and maybe even Hood. We also have Joe Johnson who could be big-time for a team come playoff time (he was great for the Jazz last offseason). The Jazz have also been center of the Mirotic trade rumors, which makes a lot of sense for the Jazz. I really like Favors a lot & think the Cavs would benefit from him more than you may realize. He's had injuries the last couple seasons, but this season when Gobert was out, a healthy Favors looked like his old-self again. I'd hate to see him go, but also understand that he & Gobert simply don't fit together. So what do you think of these 2 proposals?

Cavaliers get: Derrick Favors, Rodney Hood
Utah Jazz get: Frye, Jae Crowder, Mirotic
Bulls gets: 2018 Cavs first-round pick & Joe Johnson

..OR..

Cavaliers get: Derrick Favors, Rodney Hood, Joe Johnson
Utah Jazz get: Frye, Jae Crowder, Mirotic
Bulls gets: 2018 Cavs first-round pick, & I.Shumpert (Maybe a UT 2nd round pick to offset the additional year Shump has on his contract)

Yeah, I'm not giving away Crowder like this. We need better defenders at the wing than what we're getting back here.

[jbk1234]

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[zero24gravity]

Hey Cavs fans.

As a Jazz fan, I've heard the rumors about possible interest from the Cavs in Favors, and maybe even Hood. We also have Joe Johnson who could be big-time for a team come playoff time (he was great for the Jazz last offseason). The Jazz have also been center of the Mirotic trade rumors, which makes a lot of sense for the Jazz. I really like Favors a lot & think the Cavs would benefit from him more than you may realize. He's had injuries the last couple seasons, but this season when Gobert was out, a healthy Favors looked like his old-self again. I'd hate to see him go, but also understand that he & Gobert simply don't fit together. So what do you think of these 2 proposals?

Cavaliers get: Derrick Favors, Rodney Hood
Utah Jazz get: Frye, Jae Crowder, Mirotic
Bulls gets: 2018 Cavs first-round pick & Joe Johnson

..OR..

Cavaliers get: Derrick Favors, Rodney Hood, Joe Johnson
Utah Jazz get: Frye, Jae Crowder, Mirotic
Bulls gets: 2018 Cavs first-round pick, & I.Shumpert (Maybe a UT 2nd round pick to offset the additional year Shump has on his contract)

Yeah, I'm not giving away Crowder like this. We need better defenders at the wing than what we're getting back here.

Fair enough. Hood is average on D, so he won't help there. Favs is a very good defender, who has "switchability" though. Stats don't really tell the tale with him with things like positioning and just being in the right place.

If D is your issue, then what about Rubio? His D is pretty awesome, he just can't hit a shot. Kinda the exact opposite of what you have in IT. You do have a lot of PG/SG types already though, so unless you want to give up on Thomas then probably doesn't work.

Rubio, Hood for Frye, IT seems to work salary-wise, but not sure how much I like that as a Jazz fan (probably need a pick as well). I've always thought IT is way overrated.

[jbk1234]

Hey Cavs fans.

As a Jazz fan, I've heard the rumors about possible interest from the Cavs in Favors, and maybe even Hood. We also have Joe Johnson who could be big-time for a team come playoff time (he was great for the Jazz last offseason). The Jazz have also been center of the Mirotic trade rumors, which makes a lot of sense for the Jazz. I really like Favors a lot & think the Cavs would benefit from him more than you may realize. He's had injuries the last couple seasons, but this season when Gobert was out, a healthy Favors looked like his old-self again. I'd hate to see him go, but also understand that he & Gobert simply don't fit together. So what do you think of these 2 proposals?

Cavaliers get: Derrick Favors, Rodney Hood
Utah Jazz get: Frye, Jae Crowder, Mirotic
Bulls gets: 2018 Cavs first-round pick & Joe Johnson

..OR..

Cavaliers get: Derrick Favors, Rodney Hood, Joe Johnson
Utah Jazz get: Frye, Jae Crowder, Mirotic
Bulls gets: 2018 Cavs first-round pick, & I.Shumpert (Maybe a UT 2nd round pick to offset the additional year Shump has on his contract)

Yeah, I'm not giving away Crowder like this. We need better defenders at the wing than what we're getting back here.

Fair enough. Hood is average on D, so he won't help there. Favs is a very good defender, who has "switchability" though. Stats don't really tell the tale with him with things like positioning and just being in the right place.

If D is your issue, then what about Rubio? His D is pretty awesome, he just can't hit a shot. Kinda the exact opposite of what you have in IT. You do have a lot of PG/SG types already though, so unless you want to give up on Thomas then probably doesn't work.

Rubio, Hood for Frye, IT seems to work salary-wise, but not sure how much I like that as a Jazz fan (probably need a pick as well). I've always thought IT is way overrated.

Here's what I would say, Hood and Joe Johnson packaged together have value around the league but less so for the Cavs as currently constructed. Find a third team that would value those guys more than the Cavs and see what type of back court help you can get for them.

[DusterBuster]

Yeah, I'm not giving away Crowder like this. We need better defenders at the wing than what we're getting back here.

Fair enough. Hood is average on D, so he won't help there. Favs is a very good defender, who has "switchability" though. Stats don't really tell the tale with him with things like positioning and just being in the right place.

If D is your issue, then what about Rubio? His D is pretty awesome, he just can't hit a shot. Kinda the exact opposite of what you have in IT. You do have a lot of PG/SG types already though, so unless you want to give up on Thomas then probably doesn't work.

Rubio, Hood for Frye, IT seems to work salary-wise, but not sure how much I like that as a Jazz fan (probably need a pick as well). I've always thought IT is way overrated.

Here's what I would say, Hood and Joe Johnson packaged together have value around the league but less so for the Cavs as currently constructed. Find a third team that would value those guys more than the Cavs and see what type of back court help you can get for them.

Crazy trade comin your way....

Portland gets:

Love
Frye
Hood

Cleveland gets:

McCollum
Harkless
Exum

Jazz get:

Mirotic
Crowder
Vonleh

Bulls get:

Joe Johnson
CLE 2018 1st Roudner

[jbk1234]

Fair enough. Hood is average on D, so he won't help there. Favs is a very good defender, who has "switchability" though. Stats don't really tell the tale with him with things like positioning and just being in the right place.

If D is your issue, then what about Rubio? His D is pretty awesome, he just can't hit a shot. Kinda the exact opposite of what you have in IT. You do have a lot of PG/SG types already though, so unless you want to give up on Thomas then probably doesn't work.

Rubio, Hood for Frye, IT seems to work salary-wise, but not sure how much I like that as a Jazz fan (probably need a pick as well). I've always thought IT is way overrated.

Here's what I would say, Hood and Joe Johnson packaged together have value around the league but less so for the Cavs as currently constructed. Find a third team that would value those guys more than the Cavs and see what type of back court help you can get for them.

Crazy trade comin your way....

Portland gets:

Love
Frye
Hood

Cleveland gets:

McCollum
Harkless
Exum

Jazz get:

Mirotic
Crowder
Vonleh

Bulls get:

Joe Johnson
CLE 2018 1st Roudner

I like Exum's potential but the Cavs shouldn't be giving up a 1st for a player who can't play this year.

[zero24gravity]

I like Exum's potential but the Cavs shouldn't be giving up a 1st for a player who can't play this year.

I don't think Exum is on the block for the Jazz. I think, despite his injuries, he's probably still seen as their #3 piece moving forward, and they'd had to sell low on him at this point. I know I hope he's not traded!

[jbk1234]

Honestly, the Cavs should be getting Favors in this deal.

[DusterBuster]

I like Exum's potential but the Cavs shouldn't be giving up a 1st for a player who can't play this year.

I don't think Exum is on the block for the Jazz. I think, despite his injuries, he's probably still seen as their #3 piece moving forward, and they'd had to sell low on him at this point. I know I hope he's not traded!

He is?! I thought Exum was on the outs in Utah. My bad.

Ok, revision....

Portland gets:

Love
Hood
IT (bought out or rerouted in a secondary deal)

Cleveland gets:

McCollum
Favors
Harkless

Jazz get:

Mirotic
Crowder

Bulls get:

Frye
Vonleh
CLE 2018 1st Roudner

[jbk1234]

I like Exum's potential but the Cavs shouldn't be giving up a 1st for a player who can't play this year.

I don't think Exum is on the block for the Jazz. I think, despite his injuries, he's probably still seen as their #3 piece moving forward, and they'd had to sell low on him at this point. I know I hope he's not traded!

He is?! I thought Exum was on the outs in Utah. My bad.

Ok, revision....

Portland gets:

Love
Hood
IT (bought out or rerouted in a secondary deal)

Cleveland gets:

McCollum
Favors
Harkless

Jazz get:

Mirotic
Crowder

Bulls get:

Frye
Vonleh
CLE 2018 1st Roudner

This seems like an overpay from the Cavs' perspective. Love & Crowder should be enough to get this done if we're adding Frye & IT's expiring deals.

[DusterBuster]

This seems like an overpay from the Cavs' perspective. Love & Crowder should be enough to get this done if we're adding Frye & IT's expiring deals.

Fair enough, but how would you revise it? It feels like the pieces are there for a really solid 4 team deal that works out for everyone. Are the Bulls willing to take back salary? They're my biggest questionmark here in terms of what they're willing to do and not do.

[jbk1234]

This seems like an overpay from the Cavs' perspective. Love & Crowder should be enough to get this done if we're adding Frye & IT's expiring deals.

Fair enough, but how would you revise it? It feels like the pieces are there for a really solid 4 team deal that works out for everyone. Are the Bulls willing to take back salary? They're my biggest questionmark here in terms of what they're willing to do and not do.

I honestly don't know whether the expiring contract or the 1st would be more important to the Bulls but I don't feel like Mirotic is enough to do demand both. Same with Favors tbh.

[DusterBuster]

This seems like an overpay from the Cavs' perspective. Love & Crowder should be enough to get this done if we're adding Frye & IT's expiring deals.

Fair enough, but how would you revise it? It feels like the pieces are there for a really solid 4 team deal that works out for everyone. Are the Bulls willing to take back salary? They're my biggest questionmark here in terms of what they're willing to do and not do.

I honestly don't know whether the expiring contract or the 1st would be more important to the Bulls but I don't feel like Mirotic is enough to do demand both. Same with Favors tbh.

My guess would be a 1st more than an expiring. They have a pretty low payroll.

They could do something like this...

To PDX: Love, Hood, Sefolosha
To CLE: McCollum, Favors
To UTA: Crowder, Mirotic
To CHI: Harkless, Vonleh, CLE 1st

[Stillwater]

Fair enough, but how would you revise it? It feels like the pieces are there for a really solid 4 team deal that works out for everyone. Are the Bulls willing to take back salary? They're my biggest questionmark here in terms of what they're willing to do and not do.

I honestly don't know whether the expiring contract or the 1st would be more important to the Bulls but I don't feel like Mirotic is enough to do demand both. Same with Favors tbh.

My guess would be a 1st more than an expiring. They have a pretty low payroll.

They could do something like this...

To PDX: Love, Hood, Sefolosha
To CLE: McCollum, Favors
To UTA: Crowder, Mirotic
To CHI: Harkless, Vonleh, CLE 1st

Cav's won't trade Love for CJ , but if they would the trade is pretty close otherwise ,except that the Bulls are not getting that much for Niko so it's a no go imo.

[jbk1234]

I honestly don't know whether the expiring contract or the 1st would be more important to the Bulls but I don't feel like Mirotic is enough to do demand both. Same with Favors tbh.

My guess would be a 1st more than an expiring. They have a pretty low payroll.

They could do something like this...

To PDX: Love, Hood, Sefolosha
To CLE: McCollum, Favors
To UTA: Crowder, Mirotic
To CHI: Harkless, Vonleh, CLE 1st

Cav's won't trade Love for CJ , but if they would the trade is pretty close otherwise ,except that the Bulls are not getting that much for Niko so it's a no go imo.

I might consider this if we were keeping both expiring contracts. We could probably still pull off another minor trade with those.