Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIV

[payitforward]

The latest post in the trade thread for the Knicks https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1617560&start=1140#start_here has an interesting deal I thought was worth mentioning.

The original trade was Kelly Oubre and Ian Mahinmi for KOQ, Courtney Lee, and Lance Thomas.
However, it is clearly hard to see the Wizards moving Oubre.

Another fan quoted right after, "I like the idea/framework but I think the Wiz aren't going to move Oubre. They'd probably rather give us their pick lottery-protected this year which would obviously most likely convey. Switch Oubre with Tim Frazier and include a 1st and that's a deal I could get behind."

Dealing Frazier, Mahinmi and a protected 1st for Lance Thomas, KOQ, and Courtney Lee does work out salary wise. While potentially losing out on a 1st round pick again, we would be getting a reliable backup shooting guard in Lee whom we should have signed in 2016, a DMV native in Kyle O'Quinn who is capable of being a backup center, and Lance Thomas who is a great role player and importantly a good vet. Not to mention we also unload Mahinmi's contract.

Thoughts?

First problem is that O'Quinn has a player option for next year & is underpaid. If he leaves, the deal sucks. If he stays, we can't afford him -- & he adds to the 2d problem.
The 2d problem is that the trade adds salary in 2019-20, & that's something we can't do.

[WizTom]

Seems like EFG will be looking for a “jolt.”

Trade Wall, Morris, and Porter for Anthony Davis, Solomon Hill, E’tuan Moore, Jameer Nelson, and Frank Jackson, plus a 2018 1st Round pick and 2019 & 2021 2nd Round picks.

Then send Gortat and McCullough to Milwaukee for Tony Snell and DJ Wilson (I wish they could send Gortat to Utah for Alec Burks).

Sato/Nelson/Frazier/Jackson
Beal/Snell/Meeks/(Mac)
Oubre/Hill/Moore
Davis/Scott/Wilson (and Oubre)
Mahinmi/Smith (and Davis)

Not sure if the details work, but I think the Wiz might be able to get under the cap and potentially have some assets and flexibility going forward. They might have to cut someone, I can’t figure out the head count. Point guard by committee is not ideal, but the ridiculous super-max for Wall just has to go. And I will miss Gortat and Porter, too. But even with the obvious need to upgrade the PG, a quick re-build on the fly with a core of Davis, Beal, and Oubre would have nice potential. Add the 1st Rounder, more young-ish wing players, re-acquire future 2nd rounders, and add take a look at a young PF & PG.

Wall gets to run with Boogie and the Pels finally get a good small fwd. (Sorry, Otto.)

#FireEFG

[queridiculo]

Wall can't be traded until June, so that's a non-starter, but assuming that weren't an issue I'd think that Wall's supermax might be a concern for the Pelicans.

Beyond that I like the roster makeup for both the Pelicans and the Wizards post trade and I can't argue with the Bucks trade either.

I don't think Satoransky will ever be anything more than a backup in this league so finding a point guard would be a top priority, but that looks like a scrappy squad that's more likely to overachieve than the other way around.

I'd probably enjoy watching this group trying to figure things out tremendously.

[nate33]

Wall can't be traded until June, so that's a non-starter, but assuming that weren't an issue I'd think that Wall's supermax might be a concern for the Pelicans.

Beyond that I like the roster makeup for both the Pelicans and the Wizards post trade and I can't argue with the Bucks trade either.

I don't think Satoransky will ever be anything more than a backup in this league so finding a point guard would be a top priority, but that looks like a scrappy squad that's more likely to overachieve than the other way around.

I'd probably enjoy watching this group trying to figure things out tremendously.

Yeah, it would be awesome. Wall + Porter + filler for Davis + filler leaves us with a fantastic young core of Beal, Oubre and Davis. You can work out the details later. It might take a couple of years to wait out the expiration of other contracts, but given their ages of 24, 21 and 24 respectively, the one thing we'd have is time.

[nate33]

Can we have Brogdon and Henson for Gortat+Frazier+2018 1st??

I'd rather have that 1st than Brogdon for 1.5 years, particularly with our long term cap constraints. I think Brogdon is in the perfect role in Milwaukee for his talents, but I don't think he can do things we expect a PG to do in our offense. Also, he's 25 years old so I'm not betting on any major improvement. He is what he is, a solid 3rd guard. I'd rather gamble on our pick turning out to be a legit starter.

[NatP4]

Wall can't be traded until June, so that's a non-starter, but assuming that weren't an issue I'd think that Wall's supermax might be a concern for the Pelicans.

Beyond that I like the roster makeup for both the Pelicans and the Wizards post trade and I can't argue with the Bucks trade either.

I don't think Satoransky will ever be anything more than a backup in this league so finding a point guard would be a top priority, but that looks like a scrappy squad that's more likely to overachieve than the other way around.

I'd probably enjoy watching this group trying to figure things out tremendously.

Yeah, it would be awesome. Wall + Porter + filler for Davis + filler leaves us with a fantastic young core of Beal, Oubre and Davis. You can work out the details later. It might take a couple of years to wait out the expiration of other contracts, but given their ages of 24, 21 and 24 respectively, the one thing we'd have is time.

Why can’t we just trade Wall and our pick for Anthony Davis? Is Walls trade value seriously that awful? He just got voted into the All star game for whatever reason.

Beal-Oubre-Davis is not a very inspiring core. Beal-Oubre-Porter-Davis is a championship team

[NatP4]

Can we have Brogdon and Henson for Gortat+Frazier+2018 1st??

I'd rather have that 1st than Brogdon for 1.5 years, particularly with our long term cap constraints. I think Brogdon is in the perfect role in Milwaukee for his talents, but I don't think he can do things we expect a PG to do in our offense. Also, he's 25 years old so I'm not betting on any major improvement. He is what he is, a solid 3rd guard. I'd rather gamble on our pick turning out to be a legit starter.

I can’t see Ernie drafting a quality big/Scott Brooks actually playing a 19 year old rookie enough to develop on our competitiveness timeline. Ideally, ernie makes another Oubre type draft move and gets that player, but I just can’t see it happening.

[nate33]

Can we have Brogdon and Henson for Gortat+Frazier+2018 1st??

i think the Gortat for Snell trade is the best bet. The bucks board was for it and it works for both teams.
Gortat is a slighly better player with the shorter contract. Snell plays the more valuable roll and is cheaper each of the next two years.
I actually think we could get a 2nd round pick or someone like Vaughn as well.
We cut 3M with this trade and are then about 2.8M from getting under the lux tax and could dump Meeks pretty easy

Wall / Sato / Frazier
Beal / Snell / Sato
Oubre / Snell / Sato
Otto / Morris / Scott
Mahinmi / Morris / Smith

We keep our pick, become faster/longer/more athletic, better shooting, and under the tax... Im in for that

Snell's contract extends out 2 years longer than Gortat's. We save some money short term, but it makes that 2019/20 season (after Wall's extension but Mahinmi still here) absolutely brutal.

[nate33]

Wall can't be traded until June, so that's a non-starter, but assuming that weren't an issue I'd think that Wall's supermax might be a concern for the Pelicans.

Beyond that I like the roster makeup for both the Pelicans and the Wizards post trade and I can't argue with the Bucks trade either.

I don't think Satoransky will ever be anything more than a backup in this league so finding a point guard would be a top priority, but that looks like a scrappy squad that's more likely to overachieve than the other way around.

I'd probably enjoy watching this group trying to figure things out tremendously.

Yeah, it would be awesome. Wall + Porter + filler for Davis + filler leaves us with a fantastic young core of Beal, Oubre and Davis. You can work out the details later. It might take a couple of years to wait out the expiration of other contracts, but given their ages of 24, 21 and 24 respectively, the one thing we'd have is time.

Why can’t we just trade Wall and our pick for Anthony Davis? Is Walls trade value seriously that awful? He just got voted into the All star game for whatever reason.

Beal-Oubre-Davis is not a very inspiring core. Beal-Oubre-Porter-Davis is a championship team

We can't trade Wall and our pick for Davis because Wall and Davis aren't in the same zip code in terms of on-the-court value. Davis is an MVP candidate if he ever gets some half-decent wing play, and he's only 24. Wall is merely a top 20ish player with perhaps a fatal flaw due to his suspect jumper.

The reality is, New Orleans would decline Wall + Porter for Davis + filler. It's a steal for us.

[80sballboy]

So Wes Matthews is on the block. They want a first but we'd have to give them Gortat and Smith or something similar to match to not crush us on the lux tax and we'd need another young big back. Mejiri?

[nate33]

So Wes Matthews is on the block. They want a first but we'd have to give them Gortat and Smith or something similar to match to not crush us on the lux tax and we'd need another young big back. Mejiri?

They want a 1st round pick for a 31-year old shooting guard coming off an Achilles injury who averages 13 points with an ORtg of 105 while making $18M?

I'll only consider it if it's Mahinmi + Meeks + our 2019 pick. In fact, that's actually pretty good! It saves us $2M instantly and dumps Mahinmi's final year. Maybe we can get them to absorb Frazier as well (they have the cap room) if we include cash. Meanwhile we add another good wing player, which would give Porter some rest and then force Porter to displace Morris at PF once he gets back.

I like that the team would have an almost unlimited number of 6-5 to 6-8 wing players that can be on the court in almost any combination: Wall, Beal, Mathews, Porter, Oubre, Sato

[NatP4]

The no point guard Scott Brooks special with a Beal Matthews backcourt would be a joy.

Though a move to small ball permanently while removing a center and adding another wing is appealing. Will they throw in Noel if we add a 2nd???

DRPM says Wes Matthews is 93rd for SGs.

[nate33]

Will they throw in Noel if we add a 2nd???

Better yet, would they consider a Noel for Morris swap? I'm doubting they think they're big time free agency players this offseason so the extra year of Morris' salary probably wouldn't bother them.

It gives us the necessary luxtax room to resign Noel to a Morris-sized contract if he pans out for us:

PG Wall/Sato
SG Beal/Mathews
SF Oubre/Matthews
PF Porter/Scott
C Gortat/Noel

That's a nice infusion of athleticism (Noel) and skill (Matthews) to the rotation, all while saving us long term money and avoiding the luxtax.

[nate33]

So, with a hat tip to NatP4, this is the deal to solve all of our problems:

Washington trades: Mahinmi, Morris, Meeks 2019 1st, $3M cash
Dallas trades: Matthews, Noel

We save $5.9M instantly, which gets us out of the luxtax. We dump Mahinmi's final year. We keep our 2018 pick. We take a flyer on Noel who Dallas doesn't want anymore. If he pans out, we have the luxtax breathing room to resign him since Morris is gone. Meanwhile, we open up the roster to go small by adding an extra wing (Matthews) who is a legit starting-caliber player. Porter moves to PF almost full time (after resting until the All Star break), with Scott getting the remainder of the minutes. It might even free up a few minutes for McCullough to audition at backup PF.

Dallas does it to get the 2019 pick. I don't think they'd mind the Noel for Morris part because they've already written off Noel and Morris gives them depth with a salary small enough to not crimp their free agency plans. Heck, Carlisle will probably find a way to turn Morris into a good player.

The only part that might be tough for them to swallow is the extra year of Meeks' contract. I included cash to offset some of that pain but that might be enough. I wanted to include Meeks to get out of the luxtax. I suppose the deal also works with Frazier + McCullough (expiring contracts) in place of Meeks but I don't think Dallas can absorb a 4 for 2 swap. I'd happily replace Meeks with Smith as well since Dallas is overloaded with guards, but that's an even bigger salary.

[FAH1223]

So, with a hat tip to NatP4, this is the deal to solve all of our problems:

Washington trades: Mahinmi, Morris, Meeks 2019 1st, $3M cash
Dallas trades: Matthews, Noel

We save $5.9M instantly, which gets us out of the luxtax. We dump Mahinmi's final year. We keep our 2018 pick. We take a flyer on Noel who Dallas doesn't want anymore. If he pans out, we have the luxtax breathing room to resign him since Morris is gone. Meanwhile, we open up the roster to go small by adding an extra wing (Matthews) who is a legit starting-caliber player. Porter moves to PF almost full time (after resting until the All Star break), with Scott getting the remainder of the minutes. It might even free up a few minutes for McCullough to audition at backup PF.

Dallas does it to get the 2019 pick. I don't think they'd mind the Noel for Morris part because they've already written off Noel and Morris gives them depth with a salary small enough to not crimp their free agency plans. Heck, Carlisle will probably find a way to turn Morris into a good player.

The only part that might be tough for them to swallow is the extra year of Meeks' contract. I included cash to offset some of that pain but that might be enough. I wanted to include Meeks to get out of the luxtax. I suppose the deal also works with Frazier + McCullough (expiring contracts) in place of Meeks but I don't think Dallas can absorb a 4 for 2 swap. I'd happily replace Meeks with Smith as well since Dallas is overloaded with guards, but that's an even bigger salary.

I was thinking of Dallas as a potential partner watching them the other night. Mahinmi has a relationship with Carlisle, Cuban, Dirk, and Barea from the championship so that'd be a good pairing. And as you said, Morris would probably be useful there as well.

Wes Matthews would definitely benefit from the Wall effect for sure.

[NatP4]

And Morris and Barea can form a dynamic duo!

Couple notes: Mavs fans talk about Noel like they would simply dump him for just about anything (they don’t even expect a draft pick in return)

We could use him off our bench in limited minutes behind Gortat to suppress his value to help in re signing him to a smaller deal. (Though we wouldn’t have his bird rights)

Matthews functions as a backup 3 that we need to move Porter to the 4 permanently.

Keeping the 2018 pick allows us to add one more rookie scale 4 year deal which will be crucial, 2019 pick probably won’t contribute anyways to this core.

Float it on the Mavs board nate

[80sballboy]

Matthews is better than Meeks. I didn't say he was great but we are not getting Lou Williams and probably not Tyreke Evans for just a late first (assuming we don't lost 20 of 22). It's just something to ponder.

[Pillendreher]

Hello Wizard Fans! A fellow Thunder enthusiast sent me these two proposals:

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y84jsxj9

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y8q5lqt4

I think the 2nd one is fair for all sides. What do you think?

[NatP4]

this board isn't saying no to any trade sending Morris out, but we would have like 5 centers on the roster then.

wait, why the hell do you guys want Morris?

[Kanyewest]

Hello Wizard Fans! A fellow Thunder enthusiast sent me these two proposals:

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y84jsxj9

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y8q5lqt4

I think the 2nd one is fair for all sides. What do you think?

From a Wizards perspective, the second one is fine, not sure how much Phoenix likes the trade.