NBA Draft and NCAA Basketball

[RunDogGun]

If we take a Big with our pick, and we can’t move up in the draft, any thoughts on Troy Brown from Oregon with our late first?

[jcsunsfan]

If we take a Big with our pick, and we can’t move up in the draft, any thoughts on Troy Brown from Oregon with our late first?

I see him more as a 2. I would be interested in Shai, or Landry Shamet.

[RunDogGun]

If we take a Big with our pick, and we can’t move up in the draft, any thoughts on Troy Brown from Oregon with our late first?

I see him more as a 2. I would be interested in Shai, or Landry Shamet.

I like Shai, but he won’t be there with our late pick. Shamet looks good too, and fits our late pick range.

[LV-Suns]

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You've watched Brandon McCoy I'm sure. What would be your thoughts on him with the Miami pick?

He reminds me of Greg Monroe. Big low post scoring big that gobbles up rebounds, but doesn't block any shots or play much defense. He looked pretty good during the ooc schedule, but schools in our conference are tearing him apart defensively

He scores so easily anywhere inside the arc, I think he can be a nice scoring option option coming off the bench similar to Monroe. He is a little outdated for the current NBA imo.

[RedIndian]

For all of Young's amazing stats, I'm still getting an Adam Morrison or Jimmer Fredette feel about him.

He's got the confidence of Curry, but his shot is nowhere as good, and nor is his basketball IQ.

Also very uncomfortable with how ridiculously high usage he is. I can't see him being very successful in the pros with the style he currently has.

[In2ition]

For all of Young's amazing stats, I'm still getting an Adam Morrison or Jimmer Fredette feel about him.

He's got the confidence of Curry, but his shot is nowhere as good, and nor is his basketball IQ.

Also very uncomfortable with how ridiculously high usage he is. I can't see him being very successful in the pros with the style he currently has.

Doesn't he have a shooting better efficiency than sophomore Curry did?

It's hard to argue that his bball IQ is as good as Curry's, but how do you specifically measure basketball IQ? I think being able to create for yourself, create for others and assists are the best measure, along with making your team and teammates better is a good measure for basketball IQ. He seems to be doing pretty well in those areas, but maybe you have a different way of measuring this.

[RedIndian]

His numbers are incredible, no doubt.

I don't think his stroke is anywhere as good as Curry's though. He has a quick release, and deep range, but the rotation and touch Curry gets on his shot is maybe the purest of all time.

Young has the confidence to keep bombing from range, but his stroke doesn't look to me as pure. He misses ugly at times. At the college level, he creates space and continuing to bomb away. Will he maintain those percentages when guarded my much quicker, longer and stronger defenders? I don't think so.

As for IQ, I could be wrong. I don't have much to go by except my gut instinct. Curry's ball-handling is elite, his off-the-ball shooting is elite, his coming off screens is elite.

Will Young be able to do that in the pros? Or will he keep chucking away from distance? If he does the latter, I don't think he's going to be as successful as people think he's going to be.

I could of course be way off the mark. Perhaps he has a wider repertoire of translatable skills that he's not shown yet.

[darealjuice]

I just don't see not having a stroke as good as the best shooter of all time as a knock on someone, especially when Trae is still shooting 40% from 3 on 10 attempts a game against a much better level of competition than Curry saw in college. I don't get what's not to like about his game at the NBA level; he's an excellent pick and roll player, he creates shots for himself and his team mates basically every possession, he's a very good ball handler, his passing is outstanding, and he can light it up from just about anywhere in front of half court with his quick release. It feels weird to use shooting and basketball IQ as a reason not to like a guy that averages 30 points and 10 assists on 62 TS% while being the focus of the defense and seeing doubles almost every night. There are definitely questions about his size/lack of freak athleticism, defense, finishing at the rim, and recent turnovers, but not so much basketball IQ or shooting in my opinion..

I don't think you'll see him taking the tough shots or getting the usage he does in college though. He'll have a lot more weapons to defer to in the NBA. It won't make sense to jack up a deep 3 or for teams to send a double at him when he has Booker next pass over, TJ/JJ streaking to the rim, Quese/Bender spotted up for 3, and our center ready for a lob in the paint. He's basically the only addition to a team that went 11-20 last year, if he wasn't getting the usage, scoring, and distributing like he does they wouldn't be near the ranked team that they are.

[In2ition]

His numbers are incredible, no doubt.

I don't think his stroke is anywhere as good as Curry's though. He has a quick release, and deep range, but the rotation and touch Curry gets on his shot is maybe the purest of all time.

Young has the confidence to keep bombing from range, but his stroke doesn't look to me as pure. He misses ugly at times. At the college level, he creates space and continuing to bomb away. Will he maintain those percentages when guarded my much quicker, longer and stronger defenders? I don't think so.

As for IQ, I could be wrong. I don't have much to go by except my gut instinct. Curry's ball-handling is elite, his off-the-ball shooting is elite, his coming off screens is elite.

Will Young be able to do that in the pros? Or will he keep chucking away from distance? If he does the latter, I don't think he's going to be as successful as people think he's going to be.

I could of course be way off the mark. Perhaps he has a wider repertoire of translatable skills that he's not shown yet.

I agree that Curry's shot is pure, smooth, quick, and repeatable. I like it much better than Young's, but I can't say that Young won't be able to get his shot off or have the skills to create his shot in the NBA. To me, he's a cross between Nash and Curry. Of course he could sizzle out in the ultra competitive alpha male NBA, but I think he will be excellent with the right team and coaching staff.

[Walt_Uoob]

I just don't see not having a stroke as good as the best shooter of all time as a knock on someone, especially when Trae is still shooting 40% from 3 on 10 attempts a game against a much better level of competition than Curry saw in college. I don't get what's not to like about his game at the NBA level; he's an excellent pick and roll player, he creates shots for himself and his team mates basically every possession, he's a very good ball handler, his passing is outstanding, and he can light it up from just about anywhere in front of half court with his quick release. It feels weird to use shooting and basketball IQ as a reason not to like a guy that averages 30 points and 10 assists on 62 TS% while being the focus of the defense and seeing doubles almost every night. There are definitely questions about his size/lack of freak athleticism, defense, finishing at the rim, and recent turnovers, but not so much basketball IQ or shooting in my opinion..

I don't think you'll see him taking the tough shots or getting the usage he does in college though. He'll have a lot more weapons to defer to in the NBA. It won't make sense to jack up a deep 3 or for teams to send a double at him when he has Booker next pass over, TJ/JJ streaking to the rim, Quese/Bender spotted up for 3, and our center ready for a lob in the paint. He's basically the only addition to a team that went 11-20 last year, if he wasn't getting the usage, scoring, and distributing like he does they wouldn't be near the ranked team that they are.

I can't wait for the DaRealJuice draft prospect breakdowns this year. I also can't wait for a year when I'm not obsessing over the draft in January.

[darealjuice]

I can't wait for the DaRealJuice draft prospect breakdowns this year. I also can't wait for a year when I'm not obsessing over the draft in January.

I'm pretty excited too. Not sure how many I'll do this year, I'm thinking at least Ayton, Bagley, Bamba, Doncic, Jackson Jr, and Young with both Bridge's, Carter Jr., and Sexton next in line if we are unfortunately enough to be out of the top 6 or 7 (depending how Porter looks).

Hopefully next year we're out of the dumps so I can watch college basketball for the game instead of the prospects again

[bwgood77]

I thought this was pretty interesting from the draft forum:

I really hope the Kings get a chance at taking him. We've seen how good Bogdan Bogdanovic has been in regards to his pick & roll skills, patience, IQ, and (surprisingly) defense. I get the sense that Bogdan is almost a poor mans Doncic considering Doncic projects to be a better pick & roll player, passer, scorer, shooter, & rebounder than Bogdan. Not to mention Doncic is bigger, seems to be more athletic, has a higher IQ, and is 7 year younger!

These stats are all from Euroleague play:
Bogdan: 24 Years Old / .655 TS% / .500 FG% / .430 3PT% / .855 FT% / 4.0 FTA / 18.8 PPG / 4.9 RPG / 4.7 APG / 1.5 SPG / 0.4 BPG / 3.0 TOPG / 3.2 FPG
Bogdan: 20 Years Old / .402 TS% / .303 FG% / .200 3PT% / .800 FT% / 3.4 FTA / 10.3 PPG / 3.8 RPG / 2.1 APG / 1.3 SPG / 0.0 BPG / 1.4 TOPG / 3.4 FPG
Doncic: 18 Years Old / .639 TS% / .471 FG% / .337 3PT% / .864 FT% / 8.4 FTA / 24.4 PPG / 7.6 RPG / 6.5 APG / 1.5 SPG / 0.6 BPG / 3.3 TOPG / 1.5 FPG
*stats are all per36 min

In the month of January, Bogdan has been putting up these per36 min stats in the NBA:
.674 TS% / .546 FG% / .500 3PT% / .885 FT% / 18.9 PPG / 4.2 RPG / 4.3 APG / 0.9 SPG / 0.0 BPG / 2.1 TOPG

Not to mention (for the month of January) the team scores 6.1 more points per 100 possessions with him on the floor and gives up 4.9 less points per 100 possessions with him on the floor (11.0 total on/off).

I know this is not a Bogdan thread and we're hear to talk about Doncic, but if a smaller, less athletic, lower IQ, less skilled, & older player such as Bogdan is playing the way he is, what can we expect from Doncic?

Am I way off on this one guys? Who has seen their fair share of Bogdan & Doncic tape that can potentially give some more insight on these two players (similarities, differences, etc.)?

I really don't think Doncic is going to end up being a better shooter than Bogdan. It's also questionable if he's more athletic, he's probably not, unless you consider strength as part of athleticism.

I do agree with all other things, though. Most of Bogdan's game translated seamlessly. Doncic's game is a bit different, but there are similarities that should also translate seamlessly. Besides, some of the things that Doncic is better at than Bogdan (for example P'n'R & passing overall), should not only translate seamlessly, they should get substantially better in the NBA! NBA is a P'n'R league with lots of space, better teammates, athletes ... P'n'R/passing is where Doncic should really FEAST.

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Lordy this is a great draft.

... Yeah, I know. Here I am doing what I criticize everyone else for. But my gawd.

[jcsunsfan]

I have been curious about Mitchell Robinson. There is something odd about his body. He runs and moves flat-footed.

[Thebullsgod1993]

If we take a Big with our pick, and we can’t move up in the draft, any thoughts on Troy Brown from Oregon with our late first?

I'd rather take Lonnie Walker if he's available still.

[bwgood77]

Lordy this is a great draft.

... Yeah, I know. Here I am doing what I criticize everyone else for. But my gawd.

I'm liking Jackson more and more. Kind of like I was with Isaac last year...but everything that Isaac would theoretically be good at, Jackson seems better at already....3 pt shooting, shot blocking, defense, handle.....Isaac was so raw and Jackson looks beyond his years...I mean and he's the youngest in the draft...so he's probably our guy. Probably looks beyond his years because of his dad being nba guy..like I've mentioned a couple of times....probably played a lot of 1 on 1 and his dad was a guard.

Michigan St will be a very tough out in the tourney...they may be the team to beat. Duke may have more talent and a bigger name in Bagley, with three potential lottery picks, but I think Izzo, JJJ and Bridges will be very tough to beat. And Villanova is probably vet savvy with the most experienced top 10 guy in Mikal Bridges. Those three teams and seeing how far Trae can carry Oklahoma will be fun to watch. I think Trae will only be able to take them so far, given the rest of the team...maybe elite eight if they are lucky. I don't expect AZ to go far either despite Ayton and probably three total guys that will get drafted. They don't seem to feed Ayton enough and he doesn't impose his will enough. Trier doesn't seem like he has a high IQ or is a fierce competitor. Alkins is, but not sure that's enough. The rest of the freshmen would really have to come along.

[lilfishi22]

Damn starting salary for a #1 overall pick is $8m nowadays?

[kennydorglas]

Lordy this is a great draft.

... Yeah, I know. Here I am doing what I criticize everyone else for. But my gawd.

I'm liking Jackson more and more. Kind of like I was with Isaac last year...but everything that Isaac would theoretically be good at, Jackson seems better at already....3 pt shooting, shot blocking, defense, handle.....Isaac was so raw and Jackson looks beyond his years...I mean and he's the youngest in the draft...so he's probably our guy. Probably looks beyond his years because of his dad being nba guy..like I've mentioned a couple of times....probably played a lot of 1 on 1 and his dad was a guard.

Michigan St will be a very tough out in the tourney...they may be the team to beat. Duke may have more talent and a bigger name in Bagley, with three potential lottery picks, but I think Izzo, JJJ and Bridges will be very tough to beat. And Villanova is probably vet savvy with the most experienced top 10 guy in Mikal Bridges. Those three teams and seeing how far Trae can carry Oklahoma will be fun to watch. I think Trae will only be able to take them so far, given the rest of the team...maybe elite eight if they are lucky. I don't expect AZ to go far either despite Ayton and probably three total guys that will get drafted. They don't seem to feed Ayton enough and he doesn't impose his will enough. Trier doesn't seem like he has a high IQ or is a fierce competitor. Alkins is, but not sure that's enough. The rest of the freshmen would really have to come along.

It's interesting that he's son of a former NBA player. Seems to be a nice trend regarding that (Booker, Tatum all 18yo, pretty advanced and matured beyound their age)

[Mulhollanddrive]

Jaren Jackson does scare me that he won't develop his offensive game any more than Bender-Chriss-Len and we end with 4 busts for misjudging that every time.