Political Roundtable Part XVII

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What's this? does not compute!! Will rogers!!!

#wizardspridewillnotlietoday??

No surprise. She's always surrounded herself with molesting perverts.

[Pointgod]

I know that my next statement is against American pride but so be it! The government system in the USA doesn't work in fact it has become a farce.While the separation of powers was a goal of the founding fathers and was very admirable in its concept. Then with the addition the electoral college has strangled democracy. Rarely has any President had both houses with him through his tenure. This is now a likelihood that at least the house and less likely the Senate will change hands during the midterms. Which will blunt an administrations ability to govern.

The Parliamentary system is much more efficient the Prime Minister is the leader of the party which gets the most seats in Parliament. But it also lends itself for the ability of running more parties that influence a wider range of opinion. If a party doesn't get a majority which has happens in the Parliamentary system. The Prime Minister must gauge his legislation to incorporate ideas from the opposition. In Canada some of the most productive government have been minority government. The Senate or House of Lords in the Parliamentary system are basically figureheads. But the Supreme Court is much more of a factor and is very autonomous from Parliament. Its existence is to be the watch dog of the populous and a to maneuver the constitution in a direction that incorporates changes in society.
If the USA had a Parliamentary system I could see at least 4 viable parties Libertarian/Tea Party, Orthodox Republicans, Orthodox Democrats and Progressives plus a few fringe parties like the Greens.

I expect to be bombarded but what the heck it's the internet.

Trump and everything that's happened after his election is living proof that the current system in America doesn't work.

[stilldropin20]

I know that my next statement is against American pride but so be it! The government system in the USA doesn't work in fact it has become a farce.While the separation of powers was a goal of the founding fathers and was very admirable in its concept. Then with the addition the electoral college has strangled democracy. Rarely has any President had both houses with him through his tenure. This is now a likelihood that at least the house and less likely the Senate will change hands during the midterms. Which will blunt an administrations ability to govern.

The Parliamentary system is much more efficient the Prime Minister is the leader of the party which gets the most seats in Parliament. But it also lends itself for the ability of running more parties that influence a wider range of opinion. If a party doesn't get a majority which has happens in the Parliamentary system. The Prime Minister must gauge his legislation to incorporate ideas from the opposition. In Canada some of the most productive government have been minority government. The Senate or House of Lords in the Parliamentary system are basically figureheads. But the Supreme Court is much more of a factor and is very autonomous from Parliament. Its existence is to be the watch dog of the populous and a to maneuver the constitution in a direction that incorporates changes in society.
If the USA had a Parliamentary system I could see at least 4 viable parties Libertarian/Tea Party, Orthodox Republicans, Orthodox Democrats and Progressives plus a few fringe parties like the Greens.

I expect to be bombarded but what the heck it's the internet.

simply, it could and would work if we taxed all wealth upon death at 90%(or higher) removed all carve outs and loop holes.

the simple is that answer. left is down. Right is up. inside is outside-in. #stankpussisbetterthannopuss. (just to see if anyone is reading)

but seriously, that is the answer to all the problems on the entire earth. Tax all wealth upon death. Given that responsible government seizes virtually all wealth and redistributes it properly and equally. All problems solved. #Overphuckingnight.

but no one wants that. No one. I cant get a single person in this thread to back it up and you guys are 90% libtarded.

So what you REALLY are saying is that you actually do not want a level playing field. You actually do want more than your neighbor and any leg up you can muster to give to your children. you are in fact desperate to keep that leg up. Sad.

I dont think you guys have come to realize how much cooler and nicer i am than most of you in that I 100% support the recapture of all wealth upon death. Think about that. The Twumpsta supports wealth radical wealth redistribution.

You guys should get your heads examined though.chickity check your belief systems. Because if you dont want 100% wealth redistribution upon death then you actually dont want a level playing field. You want a leg up for your kids. Which might make you a better dad? Maybe? but it makes me a better human. And perhaps I just believe that my genetics, in my child, under my tutelage can go as far as any child given a level playing field.

take home message: you guys are fake liberals. #lino's which is also why your party has no real platform. No real message. no real leader. because their is no where to go with that type of ideology. We level the playing field or we dont.

If we dont? Fine with me. I busted my tail to be ready for the selfish world. I see the world for what it is. a bunch of self serving hypocrites. That lie through their teeth in an attempt to convince others to give to them for their needs so they can capture as much wealth as possible. And if any of you libs ends up wealthy as fuq? I can guarantee you do everything you can to keep as much as possible. And statistics on these things demonstrate this phenomenon. one of you, even had the audacity to say that why should Lebron james give up $700M-$1B in wealth. Not only do you not want to give up your own wealth, you dont even want to give up Lebron James' wealth!!! But tax cuts!!??? No tax cuts for the middle and upper class!! Healthcare? free healthcare for everyone and our children will pay for it!!

I mean liberal are th emost selfish people on the planet. the worst kind of selfish because they just want it handed to them. they dont want to work for it. I may be a millionaire. And I may want to keep my money and pay less taxes but at least I put in the 18 hours days 7 days per week for decades. Not weeks. Not months. Decades!!! Multiple decades.

And I still support full wealth recapture upon death. Your platform and ideology goes no where. it leads to nothing. it means nothing until you recapture and redistribute the wealth. All of it. /rant (of the day).

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What's this? does not compute!! Will rogers!!!

#wizardspridewillnotlietoday??

No surprise. She's always surrounded herself with molesting perverts.

My only regret is that I don't have more and1s to give. He walked right into that one

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What's this? does not compute!! Will rogers!!!

#wizardspridewillnotlietoday??

No surprise. She's always surrounded herself with molesting perverts.

so what you are really saying is that she is a closet freak!!??? hmmmm. might have to reconsider her. tellya what she can be dog catcher of cook county any time. heck. even mayor! Rahm sucks!!

[bsilver]

what's next? the sky is blue? news flash: every single group, faction, or tribe in FOFS!! Every single one of them including every single group you belong. Everyone is a liar. Everyone in this thread has certainly lied through their teeth. thats' for sure. Everyone. You are all self serving hypocrites.

Are you including yourself in that group of "everyone." Because some of us on this thread believe you're leading the parade when it comes to lying.

But, of course, none of us come close to telling the number of lies that our Liar-in-Chief in the WH does. As I heard one news analyst say recently, "Trump lies on auto-pilot."

Most of the posters here do not lie. What's the point? Maybe if someone lies a lot they self justify it by assuming others are doing the same.
Even most politicians don't outright lie very often. It's usually "shading the truth" by presenting facts to support a point of view, when they know the issue is more complex than they present. Unfortunately, some see this type of dishonesty as justification to carry it a lot further by destroying the notion that an actual truth exists out there somewhere.

[Ruzious]

SD, you're describing far left whack jobs as liberals. You wouldn't know a liberal if one hit you in the face... as the saying goes.

[TGW]

stilladumbass is just projecting on other people because he's a lying POS.

[stilldropin20]

stilladumbass is just projecting on other people because he's a lying POS.

constantly presenting only one side of the "facts" is at best distorting the truth. Consistently distorting the truth is worse than lying. because outright lying is more easily discovered. Consistent and constant distortion of the truth that CNN does to their viewers daily is much much much worse. Its a disgusting perversion of the narrative that is designed. DESIGNED!!! to make you more stupid than you are already are by listening to any type of "source" that constantly only provides one side of the "story."

That's all the liberal have done on here since i started. Presented only one side of everything. That's worse than lying. You guys have presented a narrative that only exists in your bubble. And again, I'm a lifelong DEMOCRAT!!!!!!!!! Who could not stand the way Bernie Sanders was rail roaded in the primaries. So much so and to the point that I watched and read the news every single day for the last 3 years. And discovered along the way just how corrupt the DNC has become...perhaps always was?

And I have been attempting to understand why. How did this occur? So I followed the money. And I came to understand that liberal media outlets and the DNC are funded from the same places. From global/mostly foreign/billionaires.

And it began to make sense.

That's why liberal are incapable of negotiating. Its weird. We are all humans. we negotiate with each other every single day. Supply and demand. Yet, when it comes to politics you liberal have become incapable of negotiating. Because they have been lied to every day on CNN and multiple liberal "news" sources that they dont know what is good for them.

For example I have been giving you guys a softball for 8 straight months. nearly daily. I bring the idea of recapturing the wealth and redistributing and NONE OF YOU WILL SWING AT IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There is no other liberal ideology as great as that potential policy. It would be simple to enact. and 70% of the US population is poor or working poor or middle middle class. IE 70% of us live pay check to pay check!!! You dont have no damn wealth anyway!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You are not even giving anything up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And you have the voters. 70% of you have nothing!!!!!!!!!!!!

Guess how many people you need to change the tax plan. About 217 in the house. 51 in the senate and 1 in the white house. 269 people!!!! thats it!!!

And none of you will do it. you're scared. You're afraid to be a true liberal. A true socialist. You dont actually want a fair and level playing field. You are probably afraid of it. Or you keep lying to yourself that you or your children will become wealthy. Hanging on to that dream of owning a mansion on the beach? you want that dream to remain alive for your children? Fine with me. i dont care. But stop lying to yourself that you want a fair and level playing field. You dont! And so all of these socialist ideas are nothing more than perverse lies to yourself and to others that really just serve your needs. Which again, is fine.

but then learn how to phuckin negotiate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[nate33]

[nate33]

[dckingsfan]

Just ignore it - eventually it will go away.

Please stay focused on sustainable government

Sustainable - shashainable - who cares.

The GOP (poor) tax bill will reduce future federal revenue and widen the government’s budget deficits — but not by the ammounts you think. The CBO projected the government would run a deficit of 5.6 percent of GDP in 2030. The JCT expects the Senate version of the tax bill would widen deficits in the coming years by another 0.5 percent. Bummer.

Federal revenues have fluxuated in the 18% of GDP range since 1965, but Federal outlays will go well over 22% GDP by 2030 (they are over 21% now - so expect that 22% is very conseravative).

So who cares. Entitlements will continue to be funded - probably so will the milary - so something will get squeezed - that place will be discressionary spending. Transporation, Science, Energy, International Affairs, Education, VA benefits, etc., etc. ...

Why not get it over with quickly. Just shut down DOE, HUD, EPA, HHS, Labor, etc. - that should work well for the #sustainablegovernmentwhy? folks

[TGW]

Lol at Nate relegated to posting memes like a sorry lame troll. Take your trash memes back to storefront.

[stilldropin20]

Just ignore it - eventually it will go away.

Please stay focused on sustainable government

Sustainable - shashainable - who cares.

The GOP (poor) tax bill will reduce future federal revenue and widen the government’s budget deficits — but not by the ammounts you think. The CBO projected the government would run a deficit of 5.6 percent of GDP in 2030. The JCT expects the Senate version of the tax bill would widen deficits in the coming years by another 0.5 percent. Bummer.

Federal revenues have fluxuated in the 18% of GDP range since 1965, but Federal outlays will go well over 22% GDP by 2030 (they are over 21% now - so expect that 22% is very conseravative).

So who cares. Entitlements will continue to be funded - probably so will the milary - so something will get squeezed - that place will be discressionary spending. Transporation, Science, Energy, International Affairs, Education, VA benefits, etc., etc. ...

Why not get it over with quickly. Just shut down DOE, HUD, EPA, HHS, Labor, etc. - that should work well for the #sustainablegovernmentwhy? folks

we absolutely positively must address the debt. Every single american should be concerned. 1 out of every 2 dollars you pay in taxes goes to pay JUST THE INTEREST on our debt!!!!!!!

And we must repatriate the trillions that were overseas. as well as encourage foreigners to invest in our markets. We absolutely must make americans corporations keep their money in american markets. You do it forcefully with laws and tax codes and tariffs for those that corps that keep their money overseas or you need competitive tax rates to encourage corps to invest in our markets.

I dont disagree with you on much at all but I think you were/are wrong on the tax cuts. Right now, the tax cuts are on pace to pay for themselves in that the wealth created ($8 trillion) at 20% cap gains tax rate is about $1Trillion. Which was the estimate that these tax cuts would cost over 10 years. Again, Almost paid for themselves in year one.

The tax rates are working in other ways as well: With you(unlike the libtards ostriches with their heads in the sand), I'm quite sure I dont need to also point out:
1. Bonuses and wage increases to employees in excess of $2 trillion.
2. re-investment in american manufacturing including infrastructure and jobs (additional $1 trillion)--THIS IS HUGE.
3. Average Middle class tax savings to family of 4 of $2000 annually.

So the tax cuts are working to perfection right now.

Next we need to do comprehensive immigration reform to the point that our unemployment %'s never get above 5%. You do that and then do future legislation where employers must proved health insurance. This will be a HUGE part of entitlement reform. You close the border, control the flow of immigration and you single handedly solved most entitlement issues.

You combine the immigration reform with the tax reform and you have a president like Trump that will hit non-US manufactured good with tariffs(like he just did) and you have a recipe to force corporations to bring jobs back to the US both in manufacturing and developing the infrastructure to complete said manufacturing. and you force those corporations to pay the taxes on the profits of those goods sold in the US to the US government and you have created a HUGE revenue stream that many administration have been ignoring since the early 1980's.

Additionally you have removed millions of americans OFF of entitlements. Smart Immigration reform PLUS smart tax reform (incentives) PLUS smart tariffs.

Then allow local governments to hit these massive corporations hard with real estate taxes instead of jumping around from county to county that will give them zero taxes. These cities like chicago that make thes esweet heart deals do so because they have too many unemployed people. Again, immigration reform deals with that over supply of cheap labor. Once everyone is back to work (locally) local governments should STOP giving away these sweet heart (TIF, zero tax)deals. But the cities need immigration reform to make this happen. and this is where liberals just cant see the forrest through the trees. Because their cities have become largely hispanic(like part of my family) and liberal politicians have not properly managed expectations. and instead, to the contrary we have sanctuary cities all over the US. Filled with illegal immigrants. Which keep our unemployment levels too high. which cost too much to our various entitlement programs. which raise our debt to unsustainable levels.

Again, Smart immigration reform PLUS Smart Tax reform PLUS smart entitlement reform(coming) where we dont let people raise families on entitlements.

Do those things and we can easily balance the budget and even begin to pay it down.

radically, I would do something extreme. 1st I would see if we could pay down $3-4Trillion with the reforms i describe above.

If it works, I would then stop issuing Bonds (which require interest) and I would issue notes (legal tender). Use Greenbacks just like Lincoln did. I would pay off the entire debt over a 10 year term. $1-2 Trillion every year.

Something else i would do run a 2 year campaign on the importance of paying off the debt. The US government should fund the campaign. the purpose would be to create support for a single year Tax. where american will NOT buy products from any corporation that does NOT pay this tax. So corporations are forced to swallow the pill. and in a single year Tax corporations at 85%. and tax individuals at 50%. an dif need be. stop every single entitlement program. Stop all infrastructure. everything. once we have super low unemployment rates and the market is revving up and over heating. ask the american people and american corporations for 1 single year sacrifice. And pay off the entire debt that way.

In the meantime, issue Notes(legal tender) instead of bonds and remove the 5% interest on the debt. This way all the tax dollars that we do pay go to paying off of the debt.

To combat the inflation, retract the currency ($20 trillion newly issued money)from the money supply extremely slowly over a 50 year period.

Also, as those big central banks get their money back from the US paying off its debt you need reduce corporate taxes even lower to around 15 % so that money STAYS in american markets or else we will face both a crash and severe retraction of the money supply.

at this point, you have erased the debt. everyone's taxes can be cut by MORE than 50%. Unemployment should be extremely low. You now need to encourage more growth. more development. and you must make corporations build their product here in the US if they want to sell it here or face tariffs.

With no national debt. perhaps a surplus we should then build a completely star wars based defense system and put and keep a lot of people to work. develop nano tech health care. As long we keep a major technological advantage we will always be able to sell military equipment to allies.

The goal should be balanced budget every single year. and pass an amendment where we only issue interest free notes and never go into debt unless we are in all out war. Spend money on education!! educate! educate! educate! put 4 police officers on every corner in "bad neighborhoods." get the drugs out of our bad neighborhoods. get the violence out. help parents be better parents so every child has a fair opportunity.

and at the end of the say? I still say we have a death tax. 75% or higher. remove al carve out and loop holes. Especially those loop holes overseas. make this a country where every one works. You come here and on day one you have a job. You do not enter this country unless a job is lined up for you. We should be the beacon of light and fairness and equality for the entire world where wages rise with inflation every single year.

[montestewart]

stilladumbass is just projecting on other people because he's a lying POS.

TGW, I like your posts and your enthusiasm, but try not use "POS," I know it's just an acronym but...slippery slope and all, gotta draw a line somewhere, plus your sense of humor can do better without using such terms. OK, to neutral corners and come out swinging.

[TGW]

stilladumbass is just projecting on other people because he's a lying POS.

TGW, I like your posts and your enthusiasm, but try not use "POS," I know it's just an acronym but...slippery slope and all, gotta draw a line somewhere, plus your sense of humor can do better without using such terms. OK, to neutral corners and come out swinging.

Fair enough Monte. You're one of the only mods on this board I respect anyway, so will do sir. My bad.

[stilldropin20]

stilladumbass is just projecting on other people because he's a lying POS.

TGW, I like your posts and your enthusiasm, but try not use "POS," I know it's just an acronym but...slippery slope and all, gotta draw a line somewhere, plus your sense of humor can do better without using such terms. OK, to neutral corners and come out swinging.

Fair enough Monte. You're one of the only mods on this board I respect anyway, so will do sir. My bad.

ftr, this did not come from me. i dont care what you say about me. and ftr, i dont lie nor am i a dumbass. far from it on both counts. but whatevs.

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Trump hopped on-board an economic recovery started under Obama and he continues to ride it. However, there is no denying that there has been a Trump Effect in the stock market, and with certain companies giving bonuses and planning expansion, you can't deny it.
The flip-side is the Republicans have done nothing on health care, drug prices, & infrastructure.

[JWizmentality]

Nate reduced to posting memes?

You conservatives have a really disturbing obsession with Hilary Clinton.