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Re: GT charlotte vs hawks 1-26 7pm est 

Post#41 » by countryboi » Sat Jan 27, 2018 2:36 am

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countryboi wrote:I honestly dont think the problem with this team is Dwight, if we had better shooters at guard and small forward this team would be good.

It’s not Dwight at all. It’s coaching. They don’t put the players in the best position and situations to succeed.



I think this team is poorly constructed and not put in a place to win. its no reason someone as slow footed as Batum should still be playing shooting guard or that MCW is still playing major minutes
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Re: GT charlotte vs hawks 1-26 7pm est 

Post#42 » by Vanderbilt_Grad » Sat Jan 27, 2018 2:41 am

countryboi wrote:
catch20two wrote:
countryboi wrote:I honestly dont think the problem with this team is Dwight, if we had better shooters at guard and small forward this team would be good.

It’s not Dwight at all. It’s coaching. They don’t put the players in the best position and situations to succeed.



I think this team is poorly constructed and not put in a place to win. its no reason someone as slow footed as Batum should still be playing shooting guard or that MCW is still playing major minutes

I don't get too hung up on Cliff calling Batum a SG. It's annoying, but honestly MKG gets assigned to the other team's primary offensive threat and Batum gets to hang around the 3 point line and do whatever.

Another coach would have experimented with Batum at PF, given the glut of guards here, especially when other teams went small. Kemba - Lamb - MKG - Batum - and one of Howard/Marv/Frank/Zeller could be interesting.
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Re: GT charlotte vs hawks 1-26 7pm est 

Post#43 » by Vanderbilt_Grad » Sat Jan 27, 2018 2:43 am

The biggest issue IMHO is the impact when Kemba is out. MCW clearly has not been what this team needed.
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Re: GT charlotte vs hawks 1-26 7pm est 

Post#44 » by DY_nasty » Sat Jan 27, 2018 2:45 am

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countryboi wrote:I honestly dont think the problem with this team is Dwight, if we had better shooters at guard and small forward this team would be good.

it was never dwight lol

people just wanted a scapegoat and believed the leftover narrative from dwight being a 'cancer' in orlando (the gm killed that team), la (he literally had back surgery and kobe wanted to scapegoat dwight for not being crazy like him), and houston (like harden ain't out choking in the playoffs constantly, blaming other players ie lin, and beefing with coaches too) through espn's agent mouthpiece machine

dude is flawed, but he's always been a legit center in this league.

Dwight is definitely not a cancer here.

My issue is how he was used and the offense that was built around him. This team has tons of trouble moving the ball this year. There is very little flow and passing to find the open man. Instead we have Kemba hero ball, dumping the ball to Dwight for him to give it a go (which sometimes works), and lots of 1on1, 1on2, and even one 1on3+ attempts. It's ugly ugly UGLY ball.

I want Cliff and our coaching staff gone more than I want Dwight gone, but I really wouldn't mind seeing him go too, especially if it forced Cliff to change things up.
I've said it before, but Dwight is a crutch - and we've seen Cliff long enough to know that he's absolutely gonna lean on a big, no matter how flawed/hurt/bad/dumb they are, when his milquetoast perimeter game isn't running like a well oiled machine. I'm not gonna fault Dwight just like I'm not gonna fault JOB. Our guys give these bigs the ball because its the only way that initiating the offense downhill and towards a bucket feels natural within his scheme.

We've seen it plenty of times this year where guys will run from the ball for 15 seconds and Dwight's the only one ready to put his FG% on the line and go for it. To be honest, I'm still equating him turning the ball over under the rim and out of bounds to dumber shots that anyone else on the team could be taking and missing. Guards get to take bad shots and airballs, why shouldn't a big that gets murdered under the rim all night?

This all goes back to Batum for me lol. I'm a hater now. Two years ago I never would've imagined a scenario where MKG would ever pass him as an offensive player/playmaker but its looking more and more feasible each passing week. This dude can't even recognize a sealed off defender anymore. Eyes going bad from counting all that money. At least Kemba has the excuse of being a midget for not getting the ball to Dwight in time.
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Re: GT charlotte vs hawks 1-26 7pm est 

Post#45 » by Eoghan » Sat Jan 27, 2018 2:51 am

No business having it be that close, c'mon. Kemba gonna kill himself carrying this team to mediocrity.

I don't have an ill word about Dwight (on the contrary, it's been nice seeing a team post-up some instead of spamming threes) but I don't really feel like Dwight's play has much bearing on actual success either. It doesn't seem like other teams really care if Dwight is going off on them, they just ride it out and then foul the crap out of him during crunch time. I'd complain about the offense not getting other guys involved more but that would mean more shots for Batum, Kaminsky, MCW, etc so... yeah. Keep posting up, Dwight.
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Re: GT charlotte vs hawks 1-26 7pm est 

Post#46 » by countryboi » Sat Jan 27, 2018 2:56 am

in a perfect world we would trade Batum for a shooter.
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Re: GT charlotte vs hawks 1-26 7pm est 

Post#47 » by Vanderbilt_Grad » Sat Jan 27, 2018 2:59 am

DY_nasty wrote:This all goes back to Batum for me lol. I'm a hater now. Two years ago I never would've imagined a scenario where MKG would ever pass him as an offensive player/playmaker but its looking more and more feasible each passing week. This dude can't even recognize a sealed off defender anymore. Eyes going bad from counting all that money. At least Kemba has the excuse of being a midget for not getting the ball to Dwight in time.

MKG has been a pleasant surprise offensively this year, but he will never be the playmaking passer Batum is. Feel free to hate on Nic, he drives me crazy plenty too.
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Re: GT charlotte vs hawks 1-26 7pm est 

Post#48 » by catch20two » Sat Jan 27, 2018 3:01 am

Vanderbilt_Grad wrote:The biggest issue IMHO is the impact when Kemba is out. MCW clearly has not been what this team needed.

And to make matters worse it look like Clifford is falling in love with keeping MCW in the game as a off-guard alongside Kemba lately.
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Re: GT charlotte vs hawks 1-26 7pm est 

Post#49 » by DY_nasty » Sat Jan 27, 2018 4:04 am

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DY_nasty wrote:This all goes back to Batum for me lol. I'm a hater now. Two years ago I never would've imagined a scenario where MKG would ever pass him as an offensive player/playmaker but its looking more and more feasible each passing week. This dude can't even recognize a sealed off defender anymore. Eyes going bad from counting all that money. At least Kemba has the excuse of being a midget for not getting the ball to Dwight in time.

MKG has been a pleasant surprise offensively this year, but he will never be the playmaking passer Batum is. Feel free to hate on Nic, he drives me crazy plenty too.

nic's only been a noteworthy playmaking passer when 1) he's been surrounded by great players in portland 2) when he got here and we named the entire playbook after him

i'm just saying.... we gotta legit force and shame nic to treat offense like a job even on his best days. mkg's biggest issue has always been confidence and a staff that's been focused on nurturing him (which i'm not disagreeing with btw) instead of forcing him out of his comfort zone.

i'm also being a hater, fully aware lol, but a change of scenery would probably turn mkg into a much better player while the same would likely turn batum into french evan turner
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Re: GT charlotte vs hawks 1-26 7pm est 

Post#50 » by Lwcasu » Sat Jan 27, 2018 6:12 am

catch20two wrote:
Vanderbilt_Grad wrote:The biggest issue IMHO is the impact when Kemba is out. MCW clearly has not been what this team needed.

And to make matters worse it look like Clifford is falling in love with keeping MCW in the game as a off-guard alongside Kemba lately.


MCW is quietly having a good January, especially when you compare it to every other month. That being said, he still isn't good. Dwight on the other hand shouldn't get so much hate. The problem isn't Dwight, but rather this team isn't built around Dwight. A team full of shooters and Dwight is a very good team, but for that to happen we'd need to replace both MKG and Batum. Like others, the easiest solution in a perfect world is to just switch Batum, as I honestly think MKG is playing some of the more consistent basketball in his career, but that's unfortunately not going to happen. It's really a tough situation. We're playing better over the last month, but we probably still aren't going to make the playoffs. However, there is still a chance with Cody Zeller coming back and our weak schedule. If Dwight continues to trend up in his play, It's going to be curious to see what other teams would offer us for him around the trade deadline. For the sake of Dwight's career, he's probably better off staying here. But for the sake of this franchise, the opportunity cost of not flipping him is quite high. Really tough situation to be in :/
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Re: GT charlotte vs hawks 1-26 7pm est 

Post#51 » by BigSlam » Sat Jan 27, 2018 10:57 am

I liked our black t-shirt styled uniforms last year more than I like the black uni’s this year.

Not overly fond of the razzle dazzle down the sides - although I do like the white lettering and numbers on the back.


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