Wizards plans moving forward

[pcbothwel]

Here is an honest assessment of what the wizards should do and will do (Somewhat of a hybrid, call it a realistic, yet optimistic view)

- We are Very likely going to the playoffs
- Our best players are either in their Prime, or still on the upswing
- We have the next year and a half until we actually need to decide what to do with this core

EG and Co will look to get under the tax this and next year with small moves. At minimum, something around Smith and McCullough... at most, something with Gortat/Morris.
Our core 4 players will stay, as will Mahinmi as its not worth the cost to dump him and we really dont need to... yet.

If I had to guess, I think EG will look at Toronto as a model. A team, who for all intent and purposes, had plateaued and its core players were done progressing. They simply stuck together and modified their game while supplementing their bench with young talent and now they look VERY dangerous.

I think a 3 team trade between Us, Mavs, and Bucks could work well.
We trade Gortat, Smith, CMC and get Snell and Noel
Mavs trade Noel for Smith, Maker, and CMC
Bucks trade Snell and Maker for Gortat

We get under the tax, keep our pick, get longer/more athletic...and roll with:
Wall / Sato / Frazier
Beal / Snell / Meeks
Oubre / Sato / Snell
Otto / Morris / Scott
Mahinmi / Noel / Morris

[nate33]

The fish rots from the head down.

We ought to break up the Big 2.5.

Beal’s the only one I’m sure I want to keep. And we need cap relief. Here’s my moves:

* Trade Wall and Mahinmi for Love, expiring filler and the Brooklyn first.
* Use the first on the best PG we can draft. Collin Sexton may be available at the 8th spot. Sign a crafty vet (Wade? Tony Allen?) to mentor and play backup till kid is NBA ready.
* Otto needs to justify his max contract. He gets one more year to show he can spread his wings. The change in team leadership may be key. Play him as a small ball 4.
* Send Gortat and our own first to Utah for a wing like Alec Burks with a shorter contract. (Good piece on The Ringer making the case.)

We go into 18-19 with a starting 5 of Beal / Sato / Oubre / Porter / Love and off the bench Burks, Morris and TBD crafty vet PG. If Wall’s mentality is the problem we’ll be a better performing team, better suited to today’s 3-centric game with a Love Porter frontcourt, with the Nets late lotto pick in a historically stacked draft.

By summer 2020 we’d have around $65M in cap relief, if we chose to let a then-32 Love walk. Voila, salary tax hell averted, and we’ve kept Oubre and Porter.

Unfortunately, trading Wall right now is not an option. He isn't eligible to be traded until July 26th.

Nor Porter

Technically, Porter can be traded. He must agree to the trade though.

[nate33]

Here is an honest assessment of what the wizards should do and will do (Somewhat of a hybrid, call it a realistic, yet optimistic view)

- We are Very likely going to the playoffs
- Our best players are either in their Prime, or still on the upswing
- We have the next year and a half until we actually need to decide what to do with this core

EG and Co will look to get under the tax this and next year with small moves. At minimum, something around Smith and McCullough... at most, something with Gortat/Morris.
Our core 4 players will stay, as will Mahinmi as its not worth the cost to dump him and we really dont need to... yet.

If I had to guess, I think EG will look at Toronto as a model. A team, who for all intent and purposes, had plateaued and its core players were done progressing. They simply stuck together and modified their game while supplementing their bench with young talent and now they look VERY dangerous.

I think a 3 team trade between Us, Mavs, and Bucks could work well.
We trade Gortat, Smith, CMC and get Snell and Noel
Mavs trade Noel for Smith, Maker, and CMC
Bucks trade Snell and Maker for Gortat

We get under the tax, keep our pick, get longer/more athletic...and roll with:
Wall / Sato / Frazier
Beal / Snell / Meeks
Oubre / Sato / Snell
Otto / Morris / Scott
Mahinmi / Noel / Morris

That would be pretty sweet. I question the addition of Snell because of the length of his contract though. I would love to find a way to turn Gortat into Noel while saving a bit of money and without sacrificing the pick, but preferably without adding salary past 2019.

[Ruzious]

And while the Wiz rest players like Otto, Morris, and Gortat, use a couple of G League players. Use the frikkin G League!

Devin Robinson is already signed. There are players like Christian Wood and Joel Bolomboy available to any NBA team. If you actually use the G League, you might be able to develop a bench to allow you to rest the veterans that you're paying zillions of dollars to. Or maybe Grunfeld likes reducing the long-term value of his assets? He signed Porter to a 100 million contract, and he's running him into the ground knowing he's got a worsening chronic hip problem. How does that make sense? Are Ted and son paying any attention at all, or are they too busy playing video games?

[trast66]

The Toronto model is great but Masai Ujiri is not walking through that door, we have Ernie and Ted and that model is not even on their radar.

Best case plan: 1) get under the luxury tax this year without giving up a first, taking on a long term contract, or trading of any of Wall/Otto/Oubre/Beal/Sato. 2) Ted gives up Wiz (not Caps, his true love) operations to Laurene Powell Jobs 3) Ernie is retired and LPJ hires someone smarter than any of us to run the team.

[closg00]

And while the Wiz rest players like Otto, Morris, and Gortat, use a couple of G League players. Use the frikkin G League!

Devin Robinson is already signed. There are players like Christian Wood and Joel Bolomboy available to any NBA team. If you actually use the G League, you might be able to develop a bench to allow you to rest the veterans that you're paying zillions of dollars to. Or maybe Grunfeld likes reducing the long-term value of his assets? He signed Porter to a 100 million contract, and he's running him into the ground knowing he's got a worsening chronic hip problem. How does that make sense? Are Ted and son paying any attention at all, or are they too busy playing video games?

http://gleague.nba.com/news/alumni-report-ferrell-miles-producing-off-bench-birch-career-night/

Here-here, other teams are using the call-up. Ernie and Scotty are content to let CMC ride the pine and let Meeks reek. Porter should be sitting.

[Ruzious]

And while the Wiz rest players like Otto, Morris, and Gortat, use a couple of G League players. Use the frikkin G League!

Devin Robinson is already signed. There are players like Christian Wood and Joel Bolomboy available to any NBA team. If you actually use the G League, you might be able to develop a bench to allow you to rest the veterans that you're paying zillions of dollars to. Or maybe Grunfeld likes reducing the long-term value of his assets? He signed Porter to a 100 million contract, and he's running him into the ground knowing he's got a worsening chronic hip problem. How does that make sense? Are Ted and son paying any attention at all, or are they too busy playing video games?

http://gleague.nba.com/news/alumni-report-ferrell-miles-producing-off-bench-birch-career-night/

Here-here, other teams are using the call-up. Ernie and Scotty are content to let CMC ride the pine and let Meeks reek. Porter should be sitting.

Grats to Birch - great to see a success there.

[LightTheBeam]

Hell, I would take all of the Kings bad contracts plus Fox+their 2018 1st for Wall. Why would SAC do that? No idea

Because they are the Kings

Why they signed Hill and Randolph to long-term deals

They could have done the Philly move and taken on bad contracts for draft picks and built from the bottom up.

Hill and Randolph were signed to two year deals. That doesn't really qualify as long term... IF you look at our roster we had a bunch of 19 years olds at those 2 positions, so the plan was bring them in as mentors and possibly use Hill as a trade piece. Couldn't predict he was going to have his worst season in forever.

We have 10 young guys. 4 or 5 guys we consider true core pieces and were hoping to add another top 3 pick this season. We don't really have any bad contracts on the books.

Temple 8 mil, player option for 8 mil next year.
Koufos 8 mil, player option for 8 mil next season.
George Hill and Zach are the worst ones, but they expire in 1.5 years.
Vince is a 1 year deal.

Koufos, Zach, Vince all played for Joerger and I think he wanted to infuse players who have had playoff success into a team filled with 19-22 year olds.

[LightTheBeam]

I interpreted this post as OP asking what we thought the wizards would do going forward, not what we wanted to see happen.

I would 100% be shopping Wall right now and looking to build around Beal Oubre and Porter. Ideally find a young PG and young C prospect in the deal.

Hey SAC, you interested in a Wall for De’Aaron Fox+Justin Jackson+Vince Carter swap? Because I would feel like a 9 year old on Christmas if it happened.

Hell, I would take all of the Kings bad contracts plus Fox+their 2018 1st for Wall. Why would SAC do that? No idea

Like Nate said, Wall can't be moved until July 26th, well after the '18 draft. Hopefully you and CCJ can a chill on blowing up the roster for a few months.

My bad, forgot about that.

How is that “blowing up the roster”? they would have to wait on Fox to develop, but they would also have a lottery pick or Justin Jackson and would save like 200 million.

People have proposed Wall for Lillard type trades. Most people want a retool, not a rebuild. We are not going to be able to afford Wall Beal Oubre Porter in 2019, that’s like 115 mill between 4 guys

Trading Fox for Wall is a non starter. Let alone adding a lotto pick. Had we still kept Demarcus then sure we can talk about it. We are rebuilding, Wall will be 28 next season with a huge contract. No thanks. These are the moves our last front office would have made.

[dckingsfan]

Hell, I would take all of the Kings bad contracts plus Fox+their 2018 1st for Wall. Why would SAC do that? No idea

Because they are the Kings

Why they signed Hill and Randolph to long-term deals

They could have done the Philly move and taken on bad contracts for draft picks and built from the bottom up.

Hill and Randolph were signed to two year deals. That doesn't really qualify as long term... IF you look at our roster we had a bunch of 19 years olds at those 2 positions, so the plan was bring them in as mentors and possibly use Hill as a trade piece. Couldn't predict he was going to have his worst season in forever.

We have 10 young guys. 4 or 5 guys we consider true core pieces and were hoping to add another top 3 pick this season. We don't really have any bad contracts on the books.

Temple 8 mil, player option for 8 mil next year.
Koufos 8 mil, player option for 8 mil next season.
George Hill and Zach are the worst ones, but they expire in 1.5 years.
Vince is a 1 year deal.

Koufos, Zach, Vince all played for Joerger and I think he wanted to infuse players who have had playoff success into a team filled with 19-22 year olds.

Still - taking on 30+M of bad contracts at the trade deadline and picks would have been a MUCH wiser move.

[LightTheBeam]

Because they are the Kings

Why they signed Hill and Randolph to long-term deals

They could have done the Philly move and taken on bad contracts for draft picks and built from the bottom up.

Hill and Randolph were signed to two year deals. That doesn't really qualify as long term... IF you look at our roster we had a bunch of 19 years olds at those 2 positions, so the plan was bring them in as mentors and possibly use Hill as a trade piece. Couldn't predict he was going to have his worst season in forever.

We have 10 young guys. 4 or 5 guys we consider true core pieces and were hoping to add another top 3 pick this season. We don't really have any bad contracts on the books.

Temple 8 mil, player option for 8 mil next year.
Koufos 8 mil, player option for 8 mil next season.
George Hill and Zach are the worst ones, but they expire in 1.5 years.
Vince is a 1 year deal.

Koufos, Zach, Vince all played for Joerger and I think he wanted to infuse players who have had playoff success into a team filled with 19-22 year olds.

Still - taking on 30+M of bad contracts at the trade deadline and picks would have been a MUCH wiser move.

Not saying it wouldn't. But who wants to pay a premium to move bad contracts? The one I wanted was russel/Mozgov but we drafted fox and it didn't make much sense.

You guys aren't paying to move mahimi, Lakers don't want to pay to move deng, Orlando doesn't want to pay to move Biyombo.

People imagine that there's some amazing deal out there where a team is gonna give you a lotto pick to take on a bad deal, it's just not all that common.

And like I said we have 10 young guys, we don't need late 1st from Toronto, we need to build a winning cultures after missing the playoffs for so long and high end draft picks.

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[dckingsfan]

Hill and Randolph were signed to two year deals. That doesn't really qualify as long term... IF you look at our roster we had a bunch of 19 years olds at those 2 positions, so the plan was bring them in as mentors and possibly use Hill as a trade piece. Couldn't predict he was going to have his worst season in forever.

We have 10 young guys. 4 or 5 guys we consider true core pieces and were hoping to add another top 3 pick this season. We don't really have any bad contracts on the books.

Temple 8 mil, player option for 8 mil next year.
Koufos 8 mil, player option for 8 mil next season.
George Hill and Zach are the worst ones, but they expire in 1.5 years.
Vince is a 1 year deal.

Koufos, Zach, Vince all played for Joerger and I think he wanted to infuse players who have had playoff success into a team filled with 19-22 year olds.

Still - taking on 30+M of bad contracts at the trade deadline and picks would have been a MUCH wiser move.

Not saying it wouldn't. But who wants to pay a premium to move bad contracts? The one I wanted was russel/Mozgov but we drafted fox and it didn't make much sense.

You guys aren't paying to move mahimi, Lakers don't want to pay to move deng, Orlando doesn't want to pay to move Biyombo.

People imagine that there's some amazing deal out there where a team is gonna give you a lotto pick to take on a bad deal, it's just not all that common.

And like I said we have 10 young guys, we don't need late 1st from Toronto, we need to build a winning cultures after missing the playoffs for so long and high end draft picks.

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You don't necessarily want first next year - but stockpiling picks in 19, 20, 21 would be very wise. And those trades (where teams give up firsts not to be in the luxury) happen at the trade deadline and in the off-season. The veteran signings were just silly, plain and simple. But, the Kings are the Kings

[LightTheBeam]

Still - taking on 30+M of bad contracts at the trade deadline and picks would have been a MUCH wiser move.

Not saying it wouldn't. But who wants to pay a premium to move bad contracts? The one I wanted was russel/Mozgov but we drafted fox and it didn't make much sense.

You guys aren't paying to move mahimi, Lakers don't want to pay to move deng, Orlando doesn't want to pay to move Biyombo.

People imagine that there's some amazing deal out there where a team is gonna give you a lotto pick to take on a bad deal, it's just not all that common.

And like I said we have 10 young guys, we don't need late 1st from Toronto, we need to build a winning cultures after missing the playoffs for so long and high end draft picks.

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You don't necessarily want first next year - but stockpiling picks in 19, 20, 21 would be very wise. And those trades (where teams give up firsts not to be in the luxury) happen at the trade deadline and in the off-season. The veteran signings were just silly, plain and simple. But, the Kings are the Kings

1st let's go ahead and count how many happen this off-season. And I don't mean Ed Davis and a 2nd for cap space. I'm talking trades that bring in high value picks.

2nd there's no need to **** talk a team. Good luck with a 150 million dollar treadmill team

[FireErnie702]

Just fire Ernie damn it. Been the GM since 2003 and has nothing to show for it.

[dckingsfan]

Not saying it wouldn't. But who wants to pay a premium to move bad contracts? The one I wanted was russel/Mozgov but we drafted fox and it didn't make much sense.

You guys aren't paying to move mahimi, Lakers don't want to pay to move deng, Orlando doesn't want to pay to move Biyombo.

People imagine that there's some amazing deal out there where a team is gonna give you a lotto pick to take on a bad deal, it's just not all that common.

And like I said we have 10 young guys, we don't need late 1st from Toronto, we need to build a winning cultures after missing the playoffs for so long and high end draft picks.

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You don't necessarily want first next year - but stockpiling picks in 19, 20, 21 would be very wise. And those trades (where teams give up firsts not to be in the luxury) happen at the trade deadline and in the off-season. The veteran signings were just silly, plain and simple. But, the Kings are the Kings

1st let's go ahead and count how many happen this off-season. And I don't mean Ed Davis and a 2nd for cap space. I'm talking trades that bring in high value picks.

2nd there's no need to **** talk a team. Good luck with a 150 million dollar treadmill team

It was a bad move. But nothing like the bad moves EG has made

Not sure where the **** talk was - just pointing out a move that was way less than optimal. Why would you defend it?