Political Roundtable Part XVII

[gtn130]

Just ignore it - eventually it will go away.

Please stay focused on sustainable government

Sustainable - shashainable - who cares.

The GOP (poor) tax bill will reduce future federal revenue and widen the government’s budget deficits — but not by the ammounts you think. The CBO projected the government would run a deficit of 5.6 percent of GDP in 2030. The JCT expects the Senate version of the tax bill would widen deficits in the coming years by another 0.5 percent. Bummer.

Federal revenues have fluxuated in the 18% of GDP range since 1965, but Federal outlays will go well over 22% GDP by 2030 (they are over 21% now - so expect that 22% is very conseravative).

So who cares. Entitlements will continue to be funded - probably so will the milary - so something will get squeezed - that place will be discressionary spending. Transporation, Science, Energy, International Affairs, Education, VA benefits, etc., etc. ...

Why not get it over with quickly. Just shut down DOE, HUD, EPA, HHS, Labor, etc. - that should work well for the #sustainablegovernmentwhy? folks

I get it, man.

I'm totally willing to accept that both parties have broken fiscal policies - but that doesn't change the fact that one party capes for white nationalists and the other does not. It's pretty simple.

[Wizardspride]

Just ignore it - eventually it will go away.

Please stay focused on sustainable government

Sustainable - shashainable - who cares.

The GOP (poor) tax bill will reduce future federal revenue and widen the government’s budget deficits — but not by the ammounts you think. The CBO projected the government would run a deficit of 5.6 percent of GDP in 2030. The JCT expects the Senate version of the tax bill would widen deficits in the coming years by another 0.5 percent. Bummer.

Federal revenues have fluxuated in the 18% of GDP range since 1965, but Federal outlays will go well over 22% GDP by 2030 (they are over 21% now - so expect that 22% is very conseravative).

So who cares. Entitlements will continue to be funded - probably so will the milary - so something will get squeezed - that place will be discressionary spending. Transporation, Science, Energy, International Affairs, Education, VA benefits, etc., etc. ...

Why not get it over with quickly. Just shut down DOE, HUD, EPA, HHS, Labor, etc. - that should work well for the #sustainablegovernmentwhy? folks

I get it, man.

I'm totally willing to accept that both parties have broken fiscal policies - but that doesn't change the fact that one party capes for white nationalists and the other does not. It's pretty simple.

This.

It's not like I have a choice to be honest.

[montestewart]

TGW, I like your posts and your enthusiasm, but try not use "POS," I know it's just an acronym but...slippery slope and all, gotta draw a line somewhere, plus your sense of humor can do better without using such terms. OK, to neutral corners and come out swinging.

Fair enough Monte. You're one of the only mods on this board I respect anyway, so will do sir. My bad.

ftr, this did not come from me. i dont care what you say about me. and ftr, i dont lie nor am i a dumbass. far from it on both counts. but whatevs.

Confirmed, it was all on my own. I don't want to stifle sense of humor (and there are some funny people here) but if it seems like pure name calling I might try to tamp it down. OK, back to the trenches!

[montestewart]

Just ignore it - eventually it will go away.



Sustainable - shashainable - who cares.

The GOP (poor) tax bill will reduce future federal revenue and widen the government’s budget deficits — but not by the ammounts you think. The CBO projected the government would run a deficit of 5.6 percent of GDP in 2030. The JCT expects the Senate version of the tax bill would widen deficits in the coming years by another 0.5 percent. Bummer.

Federal revenues have fluxuated in the 18% of GDP range since 1965, but Federal outlays will go well over 22% GDP by 2030 (they are over 21% now - so expect that 22% is very conseravative).

So who cares. Entitlements will continue to be funded - probably so will the milary - so something will get squeezed - that place will be discressionary spending. Transporation, Science, Energy, International Affairs, Education, VA benefits, etc., etc. ...

Why not get it over with quickly. Just shut down DOE, HUD, EPA, HHS, Labor, etc. - that should work well for the #sustainablegovernmentwhy? folks

I get it, man.

I'm totally willing to accept that both parties have broken fiscal policies - but that doesn't change the fact that one party capes for white nationalists and the other does not. It's pretty simple.

This.

It's not like I have a choice to be honest.

Living in DC, where election outcomes are never in doubt, I can vote for a blade of grass if I want, for all the difference it would make, so I've voted for "neither of you" for years.

dckingsfan's comments are among the reasons I stopped voting Democrat, and gtn130's comments are among the reasons I don't see myself voting Republican (as the party is now), at least not on a national level. Even if the Republicans could convince me that none of their leaders and policies are racist in intent or effect, they would still have to rid themselves of the winks, nods, dog whistles, etc. to constituents who are openly racist in ideology and goals.

[Wizardspride]

I get it, man.

I'm totally willing to accept that both parties have broken fiscal policies - but that doesn't change the fact that one party capes for white nationalists and the other does not. It's pretty simple.

This.

It's not like I have a choice to be honest.

Living in DC, where election outcomes are never in doubt, I can vote for a blade of grass if I want, for all the difference it would make, so I've voted for "neither of you" for years.

dckingsfan's comments are among the reasons I stopped voting Democrat, and gtn130's comments are among the reasons I don't see myself voting Republican (as the party is now), at least not on a national level. Even if the Republicans could convince me that none of their leaders and policies are racist in intent or effect, they would still have to rid themselves of the winks, nods, dog whistles, etc. to constituents who are openly racist in ideology and goals.

In other words, HRC wasn't necessarily wrong when she coined the term "Deplorable".

[dckingsfan]

This.

It's not like I have a choice to be honest.

Living in DC, where election outcomes are never in doubt, I can vote for a blade of grass if I want, for all the difference it would make, so I've voted for "neither of you" for years.

dckingsfan's comments are among the reasons I stopped voting Democrat, and gtn130's comments are among the reasons I don't see myself voting Republican (as the party is now), at least not on a national level. Even if the Republicans could convince me that none of their leaders and policies are racist in intent or effect, they would still have to rid themselves of the winks, nods, dog whistles, etc. to constituents who are openly racist in ideology and goals.

In other words, HRC wasn't necessarily wrong when she coined the term "Deplorable".

No - but in large part she STUPIDLY LOST THE ELECTION TO TRUMP because of it...

And gtn/pointgod have made the argument that if you don't vote D you are racist. And those comments further disenfranchise independents from the Ds - the big tent gets really small.

Eventually, the Ds have to attract voters because of good policy and not because the other side sucks.

[cammac]

Choice is always good in a election and during my days on earth since I have crawled out of the antediluvian swamp I have voted for 4 Parties in Canadian elections. What I dislike is a option in not having choice and unfortunately the current political system in the USA doesn't afford that luxury. Yes there are some rump parties out there but frankly they are extreme in the Libertarian and the Green which looks nothing like the Green Parties in other Social Democracies. I could never see a leader of a Green Party in any other Social Democracy sitting with Putin.
The few Independents in the government Bernie Sanders and Angus King in the Senate and Bill Walker Governor of Alaska are breaths of fresh air.
If you look at the American political landscape 29% Democrat, 26% Republican & 42% Independent a significant portion of Americans are not represented. In fact they likely are more representative of the middle ground of politics in the USA than any other single group. Unfortunately because of the system huge donors on the tribal spectrum those voices are rarely heard or represented.
Unless a time when a populous from both sides comes together with MEGA donors and they run on a platform that appeals to the needs that 42 it is a pipe dream.

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[Wizardspride]

Living in DC, where election outcomes are never in doubt, I can vote for a blade of grass if I want, for all the difference it would make, so I've voted for "neither of you" for years.

dckingsfan's comments are among the reasons I stopped voting Democrat, and gtn130's comments are among the reasons I don't see myself voting Republican (as the party is now), at least not on a national level. Even if the Republicans could convince me that none of their leaders and policies are racist in intent or effect, they would still have to rid themselves of the winks, nods, dog whistles, etc. to constituents who are openly racist in ideology and goals.

In other words, HRC wasn't necessarily wrong when she coined the term "Deplorable".

No - but in large part she STUPIDLY LOST THE ELECTION TO TRUMP because of it...

And gtn/pointgod have made the argument that if you don't vote D you are racist. And those comments further disenfranchise independents from the Ds - the big tent gets really small.

Eventually, the Ds have to attract voters because of good policy and not because the other side sucks.

I don't think gtn/pointgod think EVERYONE who votes republican are racist.

But with that being said, I think they have difficulty fathoming how someone could ignore/excuse the dog whistles and race baiting that seems to be standard operating procedure for that party....at least far back as Nixon's "Southern Strategy".

[Ruzious]

This.

It's not like I have a choice to be honest.

Living in DC, where election outcomes are never in doubt, I can vote for a blade of grass if I want, for all the difference it would make, so I've voted for "neither of you" for years.

dckingsfan's comments are among the reasons I stopped voting Democrat, and gtn130's comments are among the reasons I don't see myself voting Republican (as the party is now), at least not on a national level. Even if the Republicans could convince me that none of their leaders and policies are racist in intent or effect, they would still have to rid themselves of the winks, nods, dog whistles, etc. to constituents who are openly racist in ideology and goals.

In other words, HRC wasn't necessarily wrong when she coined the term "Deplorable".

She was correct, but again - it was her single biggest mistake to say it. She wasn't politically correct. It was the equivalent of Romney's 47% comment.

[montestewart]

This.

It's not like I have a choice to be honest.

Living in DC, where election outcomes are never in doubt, I can vote for a blade of grass if I want, for all the difference it would make, so I've voted for "neither of you" for years.

dckingsfan's comments are among the reasons I stopped voting Democrat, and gtn130's comments are among the reasons I don't see myself voting Republican (as the party is now), at least not on a national level. Even if the Republicans could convince me that none of their leaders and policies are racist in intent or effect, they would still have to rid themselves of the winks, nods, dog whistles, etc. to constituents who are openly racist in ideology and goals.

In other words, HRC wasn't necessarily wrong when she coined the term "Deplorable".

Yeah, I've known some of those deplorables. Not necessarily a smart comment, but not necessarily inaccurate either. The thing is, one person's deplorable is another person's crossover voter. I know some racist people. I just work on them.

So much of racial misunderstanding to me is from lack of exposure and exposure through particular kinds of filters. My parents raised me in an environment relatively free of racial stereotypes, but I still got plenty of exposure [EDIT: exposure to stereotypes] through friends, relatives, school and media. I can imagine it would be that much harder if you were brought up in an explicitly racist household to undo that programming.

There are different levels of confrontation and engagement. I remember when I was younger, my older sister bringing a black friend home from school to study while my grandmother was staying at our house. Her attitude seemed to convey an unspoken, "This is my world, accept it or you don't accept me."

[cammac]

Some interesting things in the polls.
For the PA 18 race:
Republican Rick Saccone holds a 41 percent to 38 percent advantage over Democrat Conor Lamb in a DFM Research survey ahead of a March 13 special election in Pennsylvania’s 18th Congressional District. With 20 percent undecided and with high Democratic enthusiasm this could be a very interesting race. Trump won this district by 20% and in the fall midterms this district will likely be changed physically.
Texas Senate:
Republican Sen. Ted Cruz led Democrat Beto O’Rourke 45 percent to 37 percent in a Public Policy Polling survey of Texas’s likely U.S. Senate race. Ted unfortunately born in Calgary Canada a trauma the Canadian people are seeking therapy over. Looks closer and Beto is a much more dynamic speaker than Cruz. It is a unlikely upset but the potential is there.

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They can't wait to hear how he's going to make them even richer. It's so exciting!

[dckingsfan]

Living in DC, where election outcomes are never in doubt, I can vote for a blade of grass if I want, for all the difference it would make, so I've voted for "neither of you" for years.

dckingsfan's comments are among the reasons I stopped voting Democrat, and gtn130's comments are among the reasons I don't see myself voting Republican (as the party is now), at least not on a national level. Even if the Republicans could convince me that none of their leaders and policies are racist in intent or effect, they would still have to rid themselves of the winks, nods, dog whistles, etc. to constituents who are openly racist in ideology and goals.

In other words, HRC wasn't necessarily wrong when she coined the term "Deplorable".

She was correct, but again - it was her single biggest mistake to say it. She wasn't politically correct. It was the equivalent of Romney's 47% comment.

And how did Romney do?