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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 5 

Post#1081 » by Kerrsed » Sat Jan 27, 2018 9:26 pm

oddity wrote:
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Kerrsed wrote:Just found this, kinda similar to my idea (-Len but +Ulis)



http://thebiglead.com/2018/01/24/kemba-walker-hornets-rumors-trade-destination/3/


So essentially throw away 5 years of rebuild for 2 nearly 30 year olds. I thought the point was to “be patient” and let the young players develop. By making that trade basically says, Ryan McDonough has no clear plan.

(Don’t think I need to say it but will, that trade is stupid).

Since when is Bender and Chriss (and Ulis) "5 years of rebuild"? We still have a 21 year old Booker and 20 year Josh Jackson. Kemba is 27, so he can still give a strong 5-6 years of strong production. Chriss and Bender may become good players eventually, but at the level they are at now, their age doesn't matter; they would be non-factors. It's great to have a roster of young players, but at the end of the day, they are assets. We either keep 2 mediocre players that may be good eventually, or get an all-star caliber player that fits our team needs and playstyle. We STILL have our upcoming 1st rounder in this scenario, and that could potentially net us a third young player that fits the age Booker/JJ age range. One 27 year old core player and a 32 year old replaceable center isn't going to make us old, but it WILL make us competitive for once.



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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 5 

Post#1082 » by Saberestar » Sat Jan 27, 2018 9:50 pm

oddity wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:
Kerrsed wrote:Just found this, kinda similar to my idea (-Len but +Ulis)



http://thebiglead.com/2018/01/24/kemba-walker-hornets-rumors-trade-destination/3/


So essentially throw away 5 years of rebuild for 2 nearly 30 year olds. I thought the point was to “be patient” and let the young players develop. By making that trade basically says, Ryan McDonough has no clear plan.

(Don’t think I need to say it but will, that trade is stupid).

Since when is Bender and Chriss (and Ulis) "5 years of rebuild"? We still have a 21 year old Booker and 20 year Josh Jackson. Kemba is 27, so he can still give a strong 5-6 years of strong production. Chriss and Bender may become good players eventually, but at the level they are at now, their age doesn't matter; they would be non-factors. It's great to have a roster of young players, but at the end of the day, they are assets. We either keep 2 mediocre players that may be good eventually, or get an all-star caliber player that fits our team needs and playstyle. We STILL have our upcoming 1st rounder in this scenario, and that could potentially net us a third young player that fits the age Booker/JJ age range. One 27 year old core player and a 32 year old replaceable center isn't going to make us old, but it WILL make us competitive for once.

I agree with all of that...the problem is that the Hornets are not trading Kemba for that package of players. I just can not see it.

Ah...and I would prefer Marvin Williams over Howard.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 5 

Post#1083 » by Kerrsed » Sat Jan 27, 2018 9:56 pm

Saberestar wrote:
oddity wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:
So essentially throw away 5 years of rebuild for 2 nearly 30 year olds. I thought the point was to “be patient” and let the young players develop. By making that trade basically says, Ryan McDonough has no clear plan.

(Don’t think I need to say it but will, that trade is stupid).

Since when is Bender and Chriss (and Ulis) "5 years of rebuild"? We still have a 21 year old Booker and 20 year Josh Jackson. Kemba is 27, so he can still give a strong 5-6 years of strong production. Chriss and Bender may become good players eventually, but at the level they are at now, their age doesn't matter; they would be non-factors. It's great to have a roster of young players, but at the end of the day, they are assets. We either keep 2 mediocre players that may be good eventually, or get an all-star caliber player that fits our team needs and playstyle. We STILL have our upcoming 1st rounder in this scenario, and that could potentially net us a third young player that fits the age Booker/JJ age range. One 27 year old core player and a 32 year old replaceable center isn't going to make us old, but it WILL make us competitive for once.

I agree with all of that...the problem is that the Hornets are not trading Kemba for that package of players. I just can not see it.

Ah...and I would prefer Marvin Williams over Howard.


I dont see why not. Not a lot of teams looking for a starting PG right now and also that can offer as much cap savings while giving up two recent top 10 picks. Like i mentioned before its right on par with what the Wolves gave up for a better player in more demand in Jimmy Butler.

Also, when checking out the Hornets "Fansided" pages Like our own Brightside and VotS's, they all have the Suns listed in teams that they could see a trade with, and all the offers are pretty much the same with the only variable being who is attached to Kemba. Out of the 3 that i read through, 2 had Chriss/Bender/Ulis/Monroe for Kemba/Williams and the other one had our return as Kemba/MKG.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 5 

Post#1084 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Sat Jan 27, 2018 10:02 pm

Saberestar wrote:
oddity wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:
So essentially throw away 5 years of rebuild for 2 nearly 30 year olds. I thought the point was to “be patient” and let the young players develop. By making that trade basically says, Ryan McDonough has no clear plan.

(Don’t think I need to say it but will, that trade is stupid).

Since when is Bender and Chriss (and Ulis) "5 years of rebuild"? We still have a 21 year old Booker and 20 year Josh Jackson. Kemba is 27, so he can still give a strong 5-6 years of strong production. Chriss and Bender may become good players eventually, but at the level they are at now, their age doesn't matter; they would be non-factors. It's great to have a roster of young players, but at the end of the day, they are assets. We either keep 2 mediocre players that may be good eventually, or get an all-star caliber player that fits our team needs and playstyle. We STILL have our upcoming 1st rounder in this scenario, and that could potentially net us a third young player that fits the age Booker/JJ age range. One 27 year old core player and a 32 year old replaceable center isn't going to make us old, but it WILL make us competitive for once.

I agree with all of that...the problem is that the Hornets are not trading Kemba for that package of players. I just can not see it.

Ah...and I would prefer Marvin Williams over Howard.


I would consider dealing Chriss to the Hornets if Zeller were coming back in the deal. But even then, I'd wait 'til summer.

Word is that the Pistons aren't keen on paying Bradley. Evans will be a UFA, and Payton a RFA for a team that may very well just have drafted Trae Young. Napier might be available. I'm pretty confident at this point that Knight would be an upgrade over what we're currently trotting out there. I'm sure Rubio would come cheap (straight up for Chandler?). Trey Burke will also be a UFA.

All of those options would require only $$$. That's the smarter way to go, I think.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 5 

Post#1085 » by Saberestar » Sat Jan 27, 2018 10:08 pm

Kerrsed wrote:
Saberestar wrote:
oddity wrote:Since when is Bender and Chriss (and Ulis) "5 years of rebuild"? We still have a 21 year old Booker and 20 year Josh Jackson. Kemba is 27, so he can still give a strong 5-6 years of strong production. Chriss and Bender may become good players eventually, but at the level they are at now, their age doesn't matter; they would be non-factors. It's great to have a roster of young players, but at the end of the day, they are assets. We either keep 2 mediocre players that may be good eventually, or get an all-star caliber player that fits our team needs and playstyle. We STILL have our upcoming 1st rounder in this scenario, and that could potentially net us a third young player that fits the age Booker/JJ age range. One 27 year old core player and a 32 year old replaceable center isn't going to make us old, but it WILL make us competitive for once.

I agree with all of that...the problem is that the Hornets are not trading Kemba for that package of players. I just can not see it.

Ah...and I would prefer Marvin Williams over Howard.


I dont see why not. Not a lot of teams looking for a starting PG right now and also that can offer as much cap savings while giving up two recent top 10 picks. Like i mentioned before its right on par with what the Wolves gave up for a better player in more demand in Jimmy Butler.

Also, when checking out the Hornets "Fansided" pages Like our own Brightside and VotS's, they all have the Suns listed in teams that they could see a trade with, and all the offers are pretty much the same with the only variable being who is attached to Kemba. Out of the 3 that i read through, 2 had Chriss/Bender/Ulis/Monroe for Kemba/Williams and the other one had our return as Kemba/MKG.

The key on that trade was LaVine. We are not sending any player that has been productive in the NBA on that package (out of Monroe who is a filler).

I would make that trade and if we can get Ayton or Bamba in the next draft we would be a playoff team next season IMO.

Kemba/Knight/Canaan
Booker/Daniels/Reed
Warren/Jackson
Marvin/Jackson/Dudley
Ayton or Bamba/Chandler or Len/Sauce

BUT Gambo said that we are not really interested in Kemba, so it is not happening.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 5 

Post#1086 » by oddity » Sat Jan 27, 2018 10:16 pm

cosmofizzo wrote:
Saberestar wrote:
oddity wrote:Since when is Bender and Chriss (and Ulis) "5 years of rebuild"? We still have a 21 year old Booker and 20 year Josh Jackson. Kemba is 27, so he can still give a strong 5-6 years of strong production. Chriss and Bender may become good players eventually, but at the level they are at now, their age doesn't matter; they would be non-factors. It's great to have a roster of young players, but at the end of the day, they are assets. We either keep 2 mediocre players that may be good eventually, or get an all-star caliber player that fits our team needs and playstyle. We STILL have our upcoming 1st rounder in this scenario, and that could potentially net us a third young player that fits the age Booker/JJ age range. One 27 year old core player and a 32 year old replaceable center isn't going to make us old, but it WILL make us competitive for once.

I agree with all of that...the problem is that the Hornets are not trading Kemba for that package of players. I just can not see it.

Ah...and I would prefer Marvin Williams over Howard.


I would consider dealing Chriss to the Hornets if Zeller were coming back in the deal. But even then, I'd wait 'til summer.

Word is that the Pistons aren't keen on paying Bradley. Evans will be a UFA, and Payton a RFA for a team that may very well just have drafted Trae Young. Napier might be available. I'm pretty confident at this point that Knight would be an upgrade over what we're currently trotting out there. I'm sure Rubio would come cheap (straight up for Chandler?). Trey Burke will also be a UFA.

All of those options would require only $$$. That's the smarter way to go, I think.

I definitely see your alternate route, especially signing Tyreke. His numbers actually almost mirror Kemba's, and he'll probably ask for less money, w no need to trade assets. I worry about signing TE though, because I'm not totally sold that he can continue this rate of production. This year has been a wonderful revival year for Reke, but can he continue this if his historically below average shot dips back down? This year could be a huge flash in the pan for him. Kemba, on the other hand, has been producing at a high level for years. Plus Kemba takes and makes a significant amount more threes, and we need more perimeter shooting to balance out the driving and slashing TJ and JJ so heavily rely on. At the end of the day, Kemba seems like a slightly better fit and a far more reliable choice while Tyreke can be the better snag at a bargain. I can see why one would decide either way.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 5 

Post#1087 » by Kerrsed » Sat Jan 27, 2018 10:17 pm

Saberestar wrote:BUT Gambo said that we are not really interested in Kemba, so it is not happening.


Sorry, i forgot that Gambo knows everything and has the final say. :lol:
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 5 

Post#1088 » by Kerrsed » Sat Jan 27, 2018 10:28 pm

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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 5 

Post#1089 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Sat Jan 27, 2018 10:43 pm

Kerrsed wrote:
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 5 

Post#1090 » by gaspar » Sat Jan 27, 2018 10:52 pm

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Post#1091 » by Revived » Sat Jan 27, 2018 10:54 pm

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Read on Twitter

He says this year and manages to put out some rumors that they will go after some big shot free agent and then strike out.

Rinse, repeat.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 5 

Post#1092 » by Revived » Sat Jan 27, 2018 10:57 pm

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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 5 

Post#1093 » by Saberestar » Sat Jan 27, 2018 11:00 pm

gaspar wrote:
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How many times McDonough has said that we are gonna be agressive in FA??
OMG, it looks like a joke already.
Hopefully it is true this time.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 5 

Post#1094 » by gaspar » Sat Jan 27, 2018 11:06 pm

Saberestar wrote:
gaspar wrote:
Spoiler:
Read on Twitter

How many times McDonough has said that we are gonna be agressive in FA??
OMG, it looks like a joke already.
Hopefully it is true this time.

He hasn't said anything about being aggressive in free agency since 2015.
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Post#1095 » by Saberestar » Sat Jan 27, 2018 11:09 pm

Given it's likely the Suns won’t land a LeBron James or Paul George and aren't interested in free agents over the age of 30, here are a few names that will be available this summer and fit Phoenix’s needs:

Free Agents to Watch

Houston center Clint Capela (restricted free agent), Orlando power forward Aaron Gordon (restricted), Chicago forward Nikola Mirotic, New York center Enes Kanter, Utah forward Derrick Favors, Memphis guard Tyreke Evans, Portland center Jusuf Nurkic (restricted), Orlando guard Elfrid Payton and Boston guard Marcus Smart (restricted).

That would be funny. :lol:
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Post#1096 » by Mulhollanddrive » Sat Jan 27, 2018 11:17 pm

That's an underwhelming list.

Our biggest acquisitions in 5 years have been Chandler and Knight.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 5 

Post#1097 » by Saberestar » Sat Jan 27, 2018 11:19 pm

gaspar wrote:
Saberestar wrote:
gaspar wrote:
Spoiler:
Read on Twitter

How many times McDonough has said that we are gonna be agressive in FA??
OMG, it looks like a joke already.
Hopefully it is true this time.

He hasn't said anything about being aggressive in free agency since 2015.

He says that sentence a lot. Probably not this past summer, but other than that he has said that a lot.

I just made a quick search putting "Ryan McDonough" and "agressive FA" and I have found this one as an example....

Feb 3, 2016
McDonough said he knows the talent on the roster needs to be upgraded.

"And we'll be aggressive doing that over the next couple of weeks up to the trade deadline and then as soon as the season ends going into the summertime,"

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/14699853/phoenix-suns-gm-ryan-mcdonough-says-team-responding-jeff-hornacek
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 5 

Post#1098 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Sat Jan 27, 2018 11:25 pm

Revived wrote:
gaspar wrote:
Read on Twitter

He says this year and manages to put out some rumors that they will go after some big shot free agent and then strike out.

Rinse, repeat.


Funny, I agreed 100% with Ryan's approach. And I'd be willing to bet meaningful money that we spend most of our cap space this summer. You may not love the players we come away with, but I think his approach is correct.

Note that I did not want us to be a player in FA last summer. And while it was rumored that we would look at guys like Griffin and Millsap, I did not think it was a good idea to sign guys like that. This summer is different; circumstances have changed. It's part of the reason I'm so confident that we'll be much improved next year.

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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 5 

Post#1099 » by ATTL » Sat Jan 27, 2018 11:25 pm

Favors wouldn't be a bad get, depending on salary. Downside is he's injured all the time and seems like hes regressed at only 26.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 5 

Post#1100 » by Revived » Sat Jan 27, 2018 11:26 pm

Saberestar wrote:
gaspar wrote:
Saberestar wrote:How many times McDonough has said that we are gonna be agressive in FA??
OMG, it looks like a joke already.
Hopefully it is true this time.

He hasn't said anything about being aggressive in free agency since 2015.

He says that sentence a lot. Probably not this past summer, but other than that he has said that a lot.

I just made a quick search putting "Ryan McDonough" and "agressive FA" and I have found this one as an example....

Feb 3, 2016
McDonough said he knows the talent on the roster needs to be upgraded.

"And we'll be aggressive doing that over the next couple of weeks up to the trade deadline and then as soon as the season ends going into the summertime,"

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/14699853/phoenix-suns-gm-ryan-mcdonough-says-team-responding-jeff-hornacek

He says it often. Even in his radio interviews with Gambo, he always says it around this time of the year. I get it though, it’s his way of trying to get fans excited from an otherwise lackluster season.

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