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Post#121 » by Dennis 37 » Sun Jan 28, 2018 12:36 am

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thunderforce wrote:I love to see Bruno doing well it seems as though everyone has written him off , he is just the kind of player we need , one that can shoot .


He's still a 33% three point shooter, and he has to bring that up, but the one thing that distinguishes him from the second unit guys in particular is that when Bruno takes a three, he won't hesitate, even when he's 1-6 from behind the arc like he started today. He never misses by much, has very nice form, and because he'll get one out of three on average, you have to defend him, unlike, say, laying off Siakim and conceding him open looks, because Bruno is capable of doing what he did today - ripping off multiple threes in a quarter - and you don't know when he will do it.


One difference between Raptor wins and Raptor losses is hesitation at the three point line. Jonas had the ball unguarded at the three, late in the Utah game, and didn't shoot. Other games Delon, Norm, and OG have been hesitant at times. The more hesitation at the three point line we have, the easier we are to defend. With Bruno's ability to block, if he shoots 3 for 10 from the 3, but gets 2 blocks and a steal, he is being as productive as if he shot 4 or 5 from the three with no steals or blocks. I too like that he has no hesitation.
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Post#122 » by Kabookalu » Sun Jan 28, 2018 12:51 am

Zeno wrote:If he ever gets a chance with the big club again and craps the bed like he did in the preseason then you know it's in his head because he's not THAT far off. In theory it would be interesting to see a lineup of Lowry, DeMar, OG, Bruno, Ibaka play.


This is what frustrates me about Bruno. He really isn't that far off, yet the minute he steps on an NBA court he is.
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Post#123 » by Dennis 37 » Sun Jan 28, 2018 12:53 am

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Zeno wrote:If he ever gets a chance with the big club again and craps the bed like he did in the preseason then you know it's in his head because he's not THAT far off. In theory it would be interesting to see a lineup of Lowry, DeMar, OG, Bruno, Ibaka play.


This is what frustrates me about Bruno. He really isn't that far off, yet the minute he steps on an NBA court he is.


He's a good sports psychologist away from contributing.
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Post#124 » by thunderforce » Sun Jan 28, 2018 12:56 am

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Zeno wrote:If he ever gets a chance with the big club again and craps the bed like he did in the preseason then you know it's in his head because he's not THAT far off. In theory it would be interesting to see a lineup of Lowry, DeMar, OG, Bruno, Ibaka play.


This is what frustrates me about Bruno. He really isn't that far off, yet the minute he steps on an NBA court he is.

Probably just experience . He needs to come up and play even if he makes a few mistakes , that is why I hope Casey is gone next year . Stack would probably be a lot better coach for him and we need to promote him soon or loose him .
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Post#125 » by StopitLeo » Sun Jan 28, 2018 1:09 am

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Zeno wrote:If he ever gets a chance with the big club again and craps the bed like he did in the preseason then you know it's in his head because he's not THAT far off. In theory it would be interesting to see a lineup of Lowry, DeMar, OG, Bruno, Ibaka play.


This is what frustrates me about Bruno. He really isn't that far off, yet the minute he steps on an NBA court he is.

Probably just experience . He needs to come up and play even if he makes a few mistakes , that is why I hope Casey is gone next year . Stack would probably be a lot better coach for him and we need to promote him soon or loose him .


Seriously? Developing guys while trying to win is hard. Developing them while gunning for 1st in the conference?

Yes, a few mistakes will happen with young guys but if they are contributing more than their mistakes detract then it is worthwhile (e.g., OG). It's likely the coaches feel like Bruno would not be able to contribute enough to make up for his mistakes. His role is 3D and he has shown issues with his defense, which I think is largely due to lack of experience. He doesn't need NBA level reps to gain that experience and improve his defensive awareness, reads, etc...
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Post#126 » by RaptorsNorth » Sun Jan 28, 2018 1:09 am

Threads like these are just sad because you see the hope some fans still have for a player you know is a scrub and you're just like........ Image

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Post#127 » by Inevitable » Sun Jan 28, 2018 1:29 am

I’ve seen enough already Bruno is ready.
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Post#128 » by YogurtProducer » Sun Jan 28, 2018 1:29 am

RaptorsNorth wrote:Threads like these are just sad because you see the hope some fans still have for a player you know is a scrub and you're just like........ Image

bless their hearts...


Yeah because writing off a 22 year old is always a good idea.

Did you write off FVV last year?
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Post#129 » by Raptors_Won » Sun Jan 28, 2018 1:31 am

Kabookalu wrote:
Zeno wrote:If he ever gets a chance with the big club again and craps the bed like he did in the preseason then you know it's in his head because he's not THAT far off. In theory it would be interesting to see a lineup of Lowry, DeMar, OG, Bruno, Ibaka play.


This is what frustrates me about Bruno. He really isn't that far off, yet the minute he steps on an NBA court he is.


He sorta reminds me of norm powell of this season, ie when they are forcing their game makes them look awkward, but just like norm we know he is going to turn around eventually to be a good player. Bruno is not gonna be a bust like the #1 pick of Cavaliers Anthony Bennett. I believe Bruno can be as good Bebe maybe even better.
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Post#130 » by Big Mac Biyombo » Sun Jan 28, 2018 1:32 am

YogurtProducer wrote:
RaptorsNorth wrote:Threads like these are just sad because you see the hope some fans still have for a player you know is a scrub and you're just like........ Image

bless their hearts...


Yeah because writing off a 22 year old is always a good idea.

Did you write off FVV last year?

Kyle Lowry was averaging 7/3 and shooting 25% from 3 as a 22 year old. Just saying.
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Post#131 » by omar36 » Sun Jan 28, 2018 3:08 am

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RaptorsNorth wrote:Threads like these are just sad because you see the hope some fans still have for a player you know is a scrub and you're just like........ Image

bless their hearts...


Yeah because writing off a 22 year old is always a good idea.

Did you write off FVV last year?


honestly i did, didnt think he would be anything meaningful. he proved me wrong big time.

I still think bruno has a chance, his defense has improved a ton. as long as he can become an nba level defender, he will get another contract.
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Post#132 » by LBJKB24MJ23 » Sun Jan 28, 2018 4:47 am

Slot him in as a pseudo PF. there are plenty of opps when the Raps go small.


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Post#133 » by Thespianoid » Sun Jan 28, 2018 4:57 am

LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:Slot him in as a pseudo PF. there are plenty of opps when the Raps go small.


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not sure there's any pseudo about it, he's 100% a perimeter PF.
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Post#134 » by Young Moosehead » Sun Jan 28, 2018 6:33 am

I have started to dream about what could be. A little hopeful but imagine it: We fail in the 2nd round or ECF because Casey lets the team revert to losing iso-ball in the playoffs. Masai fires him in the off season. Masai trades Lowry (phili or miami?) and Serge (milwaukee, bkn, nyk?) for players in bad positions hoping for a change of atmosphere, or draft picks. Masai gives the HC spot to Stack. Masai brings in Hopla to work on ft with Jak and 3s with Delon, Fred, OG, Norm, Bruno and Pascal. Stack spends a year or two truly resetting the culture, building a system where we take advantage of DD and JV's offensive efficiency and mask their defensive short comings with the speed, length, shooting and defense of our up and comers, turning us into a modern iteration of the early 2000 Pistons. Masai spends that time replenishing the 905.

We then have a 4-5 year window to compete for a championship with a young, experienced, 9 deep, versatile, high character sqaud comfortable after years playing together and the addition of hopefully one all star caliber player along the way. Lebron will be a shadow of himself in 2 years and GSW will have fallen apart for salary reasons. Everyone will be in their prime except DD, who will be on the tail end of his best years, but I frankly expect him to stand up well to time and play very well into his 30s as he is always remarkably healthy.

This is our best chance at a championship in my opinion, short of something falling in our lap. I think going through Lebron and then GSW as currently constructed is even more pie in the sky than what I laid out above working. Off to bed to dream of the championships. Thats right folks, with an s.
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Post#135 » by Chandan » Sun Jan 28, 2018 6:54 am

Young Moosehead wrote:I have started to dream about what could be. A little hopeful but imagine it: We fail in the 2nd round or ECF because Casey lets the team revert to losing iso-ball in the playoffs. Masai fires him in the off season. Masai trades Lowry (phili or miami?) and Serge (milwaukee, bkn, nyk?) for players in bad positions hoping for a change of atmosphere, or draft picks. Masai gives the HC spot to Stack. Masai brings in Hopla to work on ft with Jak and 3s with Delon, Fred, OG, Norm, Bruno and Pascal. Stack spends a year or two truly resetting the culture, building a system where we take advantage of DD and JV's offensive efficiency and mask their defensive short comings with the speed, length, shooting and defense of our up and comers, turning us into a modern iteration of the early 2000 Pistons. Masai spends that time replenishing the 905.

We then have a 4-5 year window to compete for a championship with a young, experienced, 9 deep, versatile, high character sqaud comfortable after years playing together and the addition of hopefully one all star caliber player along the way. Lebron will be a shadow of himself in 2 years and GSW will have fallen apart for salary reasons. Everyone will be in their prime except DD, who will be on the tail end of his best years, but I frankly expect him to stand up well to time and play very well into his 30s as he is always remarkably healthy.

This is our best chance at a championship in my opinion, short of something falling in our lap. I think going through Lebron and then GSW as currently constructed is even more pie in the sky than what I laid out above working. Off to bed to dream of the championships. Thats right folks, with an s.


why dont we just hope to get lucky and right around playoff time Curry Durant Lebron Harden kKrie Towns Bulter Embidd Westbrook all get season ending injury?
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Post#136 » by rapsin7 » Sun Jan 28, 2018 7:05 am

hard to see masai lets him go...signs him to a 3 year 18 mil.
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Post#137 » by bluerap23 » Sun Jan 28, 2018 2:32 pm

Young Moosehead wrote:I have started to dream about what could be. A little hopeful but imagine it: We fail in the 2nd round or ECF because Casey lets the team revert to losing iso-ball in the playoffs. Masai fires him in the off season. Masai trades Lowry (phili or miami?) and Serge (milwaukee, bkn, nyk?) for players in bad positions hoping for a change of atmosphere, or draft picks. Masai gives the HC spot to Stack. Masai brings in Hopla to work on ft with Jak and 3s with Delon, Fred, OG, Norm, Bruno and Pascal. Stack spends a year or two truly resetting the culture, building a system where we take advantage of DD and JV's offensive efficiency and mask their defensive short comings with the speed, length, shooting and defense of our up and comers, turning us into a modern iteration of the early 2000 Pistons. Masai spends that time replenishing the 905.

We then have a 4-5 year window to compete for a championship with a young, experienced, 9 deep, versatile, high character sqaud comfortable after years playing together and the addition of hopefully one all star caliber player along the way. Lebron will be a shadow of himself in 2 years and GSW will have fallen apart for salary reasons. Everyone will be in their prime except DD, who will be on the tail end of his best years, but I frankly expect him to stand up well to time and play very well into his 30s as he is always remarkably healthy.

This is our best chance at a championship in my opinion, short of something falling in our lap. I think going through Lebron and then GSW as currently constructed is even more pie in the sky than what I laid out above working. Off to bed to dream of the championships. Thats right folks, with an s.


This scenario sets us back 5 years. We become fringe playoff team stuck on the treadmill. Stack may be the real deal but the rest of the scenario layed out is terrible.
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Post#138 » by Tofubeque » Sun Jan 28, 2018 2:34 pm

rapsin7 wrote:hard to see masai lets him go...signs him to a 3 year 18 mil.


Trouble is our roster isn’t constructed for this. We already have Ibaka and Pascal at PF. We already have OG and CJ at SF, plus Derozan/Wright play there a lot. We’ll be in cap hell and it’s cheaper to sign a no-name than give someone their 2nd nba contract.
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Post#139 » by Kabookalu » Sun Jan 28, 2018 2:50 pm

Think it was zilby that said it best. If Bruno were to ever make it, we won't be the beneficiary of it. Bringing him back doesn't make any sense on any level outside of him turning into an Otto Porter level player in a month or two. OG and Pascal are both what we hoped Bruno could be, versatile defensive forwards that hopefully can start get it going with their shooting. Eventually they're going to need extensions or new contracts too, and right now they're both further along, actually contributing, and are still in their rookie deals.




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Post#140 » by Volcano » Sun Jan 28, 2018 3:55 pm

Kabookalu wrote:Think it was zilby that said it best. If Bruno were to ever make it, we won't be the beneficiary of it. Bringing him back doesn't make any sense on any level outside of him turning into an Otto Porter level player in a month or two. OG and Pascal are both what we hoped Bruno could be, versatile defensive forwards that hopefully can start get it going with their shooting. Eventually they're going to need extensions or new contracts too, and right now they're both further along, actually contributing, and are still in their rookie deals.


Bruno is currently a better shooter than both guys, so he does add a little extra something to the table.

If he's ever capable of playing at an NBA level, he could replace CJ's role with Siakam alternating and helping him guard the 3 on occasion. Ibaka's also not worth his contract and he may regress further in the next couple of years or we may trade him, which opens up more PF minutes.

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